FIRE MIKE BROWN
- Thread starter Vinny Basketballerino
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Honestly, I don't see any reason to fire Mike Brown period, so I'll leave it to others that do to come up with possible replacements.
But IMO there are only a few that are *clear* upgrades and to my knowledge none are available or likely to be available. A guy like Popovich is also close to retirement. And even in the case of Spoelstra (who I think is a fantastic coach) he has greatly benefited from Miami being a destination for players.
But IMO there are only a few that are *clear* upgrades and to my knowledge none are available or likely to be available. A guy like Popovich is also close to retirement. And even in the case of Spoelstra (who I think is a fantastic coach) he has greatly benefited from Miami being a destination for players.
Clearly Mike Brown is not perfect, there are a lot of things he can improve on.
However, this roster was not built to beat big, long and athletic teams like New Orleans and Houston. The Kings have had huge problems with these type of teams. This whole roster is just not very big, long or overly athletic. Until that issue is fixed by Monte, this team will continue to have problems beating these teams, no matter who the coach is.
However, this roster was not built to beat big, long and athletic teams like New Orleans and Houston. The Kings have had huge problems with these type of teams. This whole roster is just not very big, long or overly athletic. Until that issue is fixed by Monte, this team will continue to have problems beating these teams, no matter who the coach is.
Brown isn't going anywhere. I'm only disappointed in a few things.
Giving Barnes such a long leash
Not playing Sasha at all (when available)
Implementation of this 3 or nothing offense. In what good scheme does fox shoot 16 3pts?
Other than that, he cut huerters min when they needed, he cut davion min when needed, he started Ellis, (after the duerter experience) and made everyone play defense (gambling defense) but non the less.
Overall he Gets a B
Now Monte- He gets a C- for doing nothing but relying on the success he had the previous season. I mean nothing! His biggest splash was Sasha who got No important min until for some reason got important min last game of the season.
I expect Barnes, huerter and davion to be gone before next season. Problem is so does every other team. Values will be low
Giving Barnes such a long leash
Not playing Sasha at all (when available)
Implementation of this 3 or nothing offense. In what good scheme does fox shoot 16 3pts?
Other than that, he cut huerters min when they needed, he cut davion min when needed, he started Ellis, (after the duerter experience) and made everyone play defense (gambling defense) but non the less.
Overall he Gets a B
Now Monte- He gets a C- for doing nothing but relying on the success he had the previous season. I mean nothing! His biggest splash was Sasha who got No important min until for some reason got important min last game of the season.
I expect Barnes, huerter and davion to be gone before next season. Problem is so does every other team. Values will be low
There was 1 team that dominated us. And we couldn’t overcome them. Kings were good against better teams. Monte needs to go to work to tweak the roster so that we eliminate the shortcomings against the long wings teams……and no, as much as I like Kessler, he was not the answer. Need to give Brown some options for those teams.
Also, losing Monk hurt. Quite a bit. Losing Huerter also hurt but not as much because of the emergence of Keon.
Monte isn’t dumb. I suspect he will get things done.
Also, losing Monk hurt. Quite a bit. Losing Huerter also hurt but not as much because of the emergence of Keon.
Monte isn’t dumb. I suspect he will get things done.
This team is built like the Warriors, we are more skill oriented instead of being bigger and stronger than everyone else. Monte has assembled skills guys who can pass and shoot, but when you go up against bigger and stronger teams, we have difficulties. The players that Monte targets are skill guys (Sabonis, Hali, Keegan, Colby).
The problem with building like the Warriors is that we don't have a world class shooter like Curry and Klay to bail us out and get us points. Once our shots are not dropping, we are not going to out jump and out muscle other teams. I think this is the issue with this team, the Warriors work because they had Curry and Thompson, we don't.
When our shots are falling then the team is humming (we are hard to beat), but when it doesn't, we are screwed.
The problem with building like the Warriors is that we don't have a world class shooter like Curry and Klay to bail us out and get us points. Once our shots are not dropping, we are not going to out jump and out muscle other teams. I think this is the issue with this team, the Warriors work because they had Curry and Thompson, we don't.
When our shots are falling then the team is humming (we are hard to beat), but when it doesn't, we are screwed.
For me, my expectation was a first round playoff win.
We failed those expectations, sure. But I don't think it's on any one entity/player/coach as to why that happened. Lot of different factors go into evaluating a season and us trying to be like "LOLZ BROWN BAD BAD COACH" or "MONTE DUM DUM GM", isn't helpful to a productive discussion on the season.
-Huerter regressed/hurt this season
-HB regressed/athleticism severely declined
-Monk injury at the worst point of the season
-Sasha was expected to be a key rotation player and just a lost season because of nagging injuries anytime he'd get some momentum.
-Fox developed a reliable 3 ball, but I think hurt us quite a bit on offense. Him attacking the paint relentlessly is the staple of our offense. We just didn't have that same pressure on the rim because he didn't drive to the rim very much (like 13% of his FGA, I believe)
-Duarte was fine as bench depth, but certainly not a guy who's a reliable rotation player.
We failed those expectations, sure. But I don't think it's on any one entity/player/coach as to why that happened. Lot of different factors go into evaluating a season and us trying to be like "LOLZ BROWN BAD BAD COACH" or "MONTE DUM DUM GM", isn't helpful to a productive discussion on the season.
-Huerter regressed/hurt this season
-HB regressed/athleticism severely declined
-Monk injury at the worst point of the season
-Sasha was expected to be a key rotation player and just a lost season because of nagging injuries anytime he'd get some momentum.
-Fox developed a reliable 3 ball, but I think hurt us quite a bit on offense. Him attacking the paint relentlessly is the staple of our offense. We just didn't have that same pressure on the rim because he didn't drive to the rim very much (like 13% of his FGA, I believe)
-Duarte was fine as bench depth, but certainly not a guy who's a reliable rotation player.
You think Barnes severely declined as an individual player? We had the same complaints about him last season, but he was used more in the offense, so his stats were better.
I don't see Vezenkov as an effective NBA player. He's a good shooter, if and only if, he can get open for catch and shoot. Just a single NBA level skill.
I don't see Vezenkov as an effective NBA player. He's a good shooter, if and only if, he can get open for catch and shoot. Just a single NBA level skill.
I may be wrong but I believe we had winning records against the top 3 seeds in the West? We were 2-0 up on Dallas before the 2 games against them where they had a hefty FT advantage and then injured one of our top scorers effectively ending our season.
We sucked against NOP but they were in the play in too.
NBA is definitely a game of match ups and we have some really horrid ones that had we beaten the clunker games we had and earned a higher seed we'd still probably get destroyed by NOP. But we also held our own against many of the best teams.
We sucked against NOP but they were in the play in too.
NBA is definitely a game of match ups and we have some really horrid ones that had we beaten the clunker games we had and earned a higher seed we'd still probably get destroyed by NOP. But we also held our own against many of the best teams.
I think Brown makes a better assistant than head coach, but he’s certainly not a bad head coach at all. But I’m not sure who out there wins with this roster. Our 1st option isn’t a great 3 point shooter. Out 2nd option doesn’t shoot outside the paint. And our 3rd option disappears for games at a time. We just aren’t very good no matter who coaches us
Stats don't bear that out to be true for Sasha. He was a quality rebounder, played better than expected team defense and was a good overall offensive player. And team ratings with him on the floor were excellent across the board. I think he had several times throughout this year where he was ready to break into the rotation, started to get comfortable... and then got hurt. Bad luxk
And yes, HB declined. Noticeable in his numbers and play. The USG decline in part is to better players taking more shots and him just not being able to sustain his usual usg anymore
And yes, HB declined. Noticeable in his numbers and play. The USG decline in part is to better players taking more shots and him just not being able to sustain his usual usg anymore
That USG decline also directly mirrored this teams lessened effectiveness at getting to the line. When the Kings put Barnes back in a role closer to his usual one in a clear attempt to showcase his play jumped dramatically. Not getting to the line as much definitely hurt the team. It had to be done though, both Huerter and Barnes are on the wish to trade list and have been for almost a year now.
Of course. I imagine there's some behind the scenes stuff in practice where Sasha was lagging behind a bit that didn't get him on the floor more consistently, even when healthy.
Can't underestimate having a coaches trust either. Brown is absolutely old school in that sense where you have to go out and earn it. Sasha was good in his minutes, but very rarely did he have games or performances that made you go "wow, this dude HAS to be on the floor 20+ MPG"
That's how Keon turned into a 30 MPG player this year. Every opportunity he got, he forced his way onto the floor and made Brown readjust to get him in there. That's how you break into a rotation on a good team
Can't underestimate having a coaches trust either. Brown is absolutely old school in that sense where you have to go out and earn it. Sasha was good in his minutes, but very rarely did he have games or performances that made you go "wow, this dude HAS to be on the floor 20+ MPG"
That's how Keon turned into a 30 MPG player this year. Every opportunity he got, he forced his way onto the floor and made Brown readjust to get him in there. That's how you break into a rotation on a good team
Given the alternatives, Mike Brown was likely the best pick for head coach at the time. He found himself with a talented team with several able new faces thanks to Monte. The result was Monte was EOY and Brown was COY. We can't be sure that a different coach couldn't have been able to match the record that first year. (Mark Jackson...maybe, Luke Walton...not likely).
But being EOY and unanimous COY would tend to make the recipient(s) convinced of the validity of their behaviors and stay the course. And that is just what occurred this season. Individual players grew but the support staff did not. The team's potential was not realized.
Monte and Coach Brown don't need to be replaced quite yet. However, there needs to be a change in philosophy and approach to players on the team. After languishing on the Warriors bench for 6 years and championships, Brown was/is convinced that a Warriors-style approach with Kings players that have different skill sets will grow the team. (A square peg/round hole dilemma)
I have stated Brown needs to modify several of his philosophies and techniques to maximize the team's performance. It is also disappointing that the coaching staff has not actively advanced a call for alterations. (Depending on the HC/staff relationships that we are not privy to.)
I have confidence that reviewing this year and ruminating during this off season will convince Brown that serious coaching resets will utilize what he has available in his players to the point of significant improvement next season. If he can't or doesn't realize the needs then the team will be held back. At that point his tenure in no longer an asset.
But being EOY and unanimous COY would tend to make the recipient(s) convinced of the validity of their behaviors and stay the course. And that is just what occurred this season. Individual players grew but the support staff did not. The team's potential was not realized.
Monte and Coach Brown don't need to be replaced quite yet. However, there needs to be a change in philosophy and approach to players on the team. After languishing on the Warriors bench for 6 years and championships, Brown was/is convinced that a Warriors-style approach with Kings players that have different skill sets will grow the team. (A square peg/round hole dilemma)
I have stated Brown needs to modify several of his philosophies and techniques to maximize the team's performance. It is also disappointing that the coaching staff has not actively advanced a call for alterations. (Depending on the HC/staff relationships that we are not privy to.)
I have confidence that reviewing this year and ruminating during this off season will convince Brown that serious coaching resets will utilize what he has available in his players to the point of significant improvement next season. If he can't or doesn't realize the needs then the team will be held back. At that point his tenure in no longer an asset.