Douby Type Situation....

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AriesMar27

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i was reading the thread about curry when it hit me... our other 1st round pick would have us in a douby type situation. nbadraft.net has the kings with the 5th and 21st pick. that 2nd pick has the kings in range to take patrick mills, ty lawson and darren collison.... which pg would you guys prefer?
this is just like the rondo, douby, farmar, rodriguez situation we were in with douby.

my pick would be lawson.... but i would be cool with mills too....
 
bajaden

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AriesMar27 said:
i was reading the thread about curry when it hit me... our other 1st round pick would have us in a douby type situation. nbadraft.net has the kings with the 5th and 21st pick. that 2nd pick has the kings in range to take patrick mills, ty lawson and darren collison.... which pg would you guys prefer?
this is just like the rondo, douby, farmar, rodriguez situation we were in with douby.

my pick would be lawson.... but i would be cool with mills too....
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I think it all depends on what we do with our first pick. If we take a big with it, then I would go with your senario. And definitely either Lawson or Mills. I'm not a big fan of Collison.

However, if we use our first pick on a Pt guard (aka Rubio, Jennings, or Curry) Then I would go in a different direction with the second pick. Such as Hill out of Arizona, but in general, the best player available at that pick.
 
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I don't know about Jordan Hill. There is a storied tradition of Arizona bigs who appear promising because they're athletic but are dunces who don't pan out. Loren Woods, AJ Bramlett, Michael Wright, Ben Davis..... Jordan Hill. He's been putting good numbers up, but every time I've seen him play he appears way less effective than he should be. He's got NBA athleticism, but I think his brain might stand in the way.

I'd much rather have Taj Gibson in that range.
 
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nbrans said:
I don't know about Jordan Hill. There is a storied tradition of Arizona bigs who appear promising because they're athletic but are dunces who don't pan out. Loren Woods, AJ Bramlett, Michael Wright, Ben Davis..... Jordan Hill. He's been putting good numbers up, but every time I've seen him play he appears way less effective than he should be. He's got NBA athleticism, but I think his brain might stand in the way.

I'd much rather have Taj Gibson in that range.
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You could be right, or it could be the fact that he came to organized basketball late. Lets wait and see how he progresses this season and hopefully Arizona will get into the show and we'll see more.

He definitely has some holes in his game right now that Gibson doesn't have. But then, he's a legit big as far as size goes, and Gibson is another of those athletic undersized PF's.
 
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claver wouldnt be to bad either if he somehow slips or we can trade up.... eric maynor is okay too...
 
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AriesMar27 said:
claver wouldnt be to bad either if he somehow slips or we can trade up.... eric maynor is okay too...
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If we needed a small forward Claver would be a good choice -- he's a seriously freakish athlete. But small forward is pretty much the last position we need.
 
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If Lawson leads the ACC in assist-to-turnover ratio again and leads his team to the Final Four again, you have to take Lawson with that #21 pick (if you don't snag a PG with the 1st pick). He's demonstrating better command of the halfcourt offense this year and is also starting to step it up in the leadership department.
 
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creative one said:
If Lawson leads the ACC in assist-to-turnover ratio again and leads his team to the Final Four again, you have to take Lawson with that #21 pick (if you don't snag a PG with the 1st pick). He's demonstrating better command of the halfcourt offense this year and is also starting to step it up in the leadership department.
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I wouldn't rule out Mills either. I would be happy with either of them. Just depends on the first pick and who's available. Its still early, and someone else could emerge.
 
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either one would be nice... but lawsons shooting is kinda suspect, kind of like tj ford. but that is a problem that i would love to have.... but where would we send beno?
 
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so would i but back in 06 i wanted farmar, sergio or rondo... but we ended up with douby... honestly i wouldve been cool with marcus williams....
 
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Lawson intrigued me when he was younger, but as he stays longer in college and becomes more of a known commodity, I'm liking him less and less--for one, he keeps reminding me of another fellow Tar Heel, Raymond Felton, both in terms of the jet quickness, lauded up-tempo passing abilities, lack of height, and perhaps most importantly, lack of consistent jumpshot. I think Lawson's impressed me particularly with that assist per turnover ratio, and he's shooting 50% from the field, 50% from three as of now in the early going--Felton just seemed trigger-happy to enter the draft and seeming forced his stats upwards with the intent of getting drafted high and making more $, as opposed to any sort of natural talent--and perhaps that's why he's reverted back to his turnover prone, abysmal shooting, bad decision making ways that not only screwed up my fantasy team last year but ended up putting him on the Charlotte trade block. But if we went PG, I wouldn't prefer Lawson--that 5'11" height (despite all his speed/athleticism) combined with the past stigma of his inability to shoot scares me somewhat, and I'd prefer if we chose a more NBA-friendly point guard (in terms of skills/physical assets) with our pick.
 
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nbrans said:
I don't know about Jordan Hill. There is a storied tradition of Arizona bigs who appear promising because they're athletic but are dunces who don't pan out. Loren Woods, AJ Bramlett, Michael Wright, Ben Davis..... Jordan Hill. He's been putting good numbers up, but every time I've seen him play he appears way less effective than he should be. He's got NBA athleticism, but I think his brain might stand in the way.

I'd much rather have Taj Gibson in that range.
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I'm an Arizona fan and alum...I've watched Hill throughout his time at U of A & I don't know if he will ever be NBA material. He puts up the stats, but the way he does it would not transfer to the NBA...it's often pretty sloppy. He also gets into a lot of foul trouble.

I wish I could be more descriptive, but his game reminds me of players that you see in the D-League...sure, they put up stats, but they're not NBA-worthy.
 
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Arby's Roast Beef said:
Lawson intrigued me when he was younger, but as he stays longer in college and becomes more of a known commodity, I'm liking him less and less--for one, he keeps reminding me of another fellow Tar Heel, Raymond Felton, both in terms of the jet quickness, lauded up-tempo passing abilities, lack of height, and perhaps most importantly, lack of consistent jumpshot. I think Lawson's impressed me particularly with that assist per turnover ratio, and he's shooting 50% from the field, 50% from three as of now in the early going--Felton just seemed trigger-happy to enter the draft and seeming forced his stats upwards with the intent of getting drafted high and making more $, as opposed to any sort of natural talent--and perhaps that's why he's reverted back to his turnover prone, abysmal shooting, bad decision making ways that not only screwed up my fantasy team last year but ended up putting him on the Charlotte trade block. But if we went PG, I wouldn't prefer Lawson--that 5'11" height (despite all his speed/athleticism) combined with the past stigma of his inability to shoot scares me somewhat, and I'd prefer if we chose a more NBA-friendly point guard (in terms of skills/physical assets) with our pick.
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Definitely agree. Lawson worries me. He seems to have overcome some of his past weaknesses so far in the early going, but I'm going to want to see more. He's quick, but is he quick enough to overcome being 5'11", particularly with a shaky J? Just not sure.
 
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bajaden said:
I wouldn't rule out Mills either. I would be happy with either of them. Just depends on the first pick and who's available. Its still early, and someone else could emerge.
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I think Mills will be gone by #21. Not too many teams can turn down that kind of upside. When I saw him play recently and this past summer, I was impressed not only with his elite speed but also with his defense and long-range shooting ability. If his decision-making improves, he could be NBA star-worthy.

I think a good NCAA Tournament showing would put him in the 9-15 range (late lottery).

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Lawson's inability to shoot off the dribble worries me (which is why he'll likely never be an elite PG in the NBA), but his improvements in other areas (decision-making, leadership, long-distance spot-up shooting) are encouraging. He's worth the #21 pick, IMO, but he could go much higher if UNC wins the championship this year.

Unlike some here, I don't see Felton in Lawson. The former, at times, took away from the offense to find his own scoring opportunities while the latter is more of an opportunistic scorer (mostly on the fast break). Felton's command of an offense was always iffy (compared to Chris Paul at Wake) while Lawson continues to improve in that regard. And despite the assists numbers, Lawson is the better passer between the two. Overall, I think Lawson's better--but not by much.
 
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creative one said:
I think Mills will be gone by #21. Not too many teams can turn down that kind of upside. When I saw him play recently and this past summer, I was impressed not only with his elite speed but also with his defense and long-range shooting ability. If his decision-making improves, he could be NBA star-worthy.

I think a good NCAA Tournament showing would put him in the 9-15 range (late lottery).
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Thats always the problem. You see a kid you like and unfortunately he turns out to be as good as you thought he would be, and wa la he gets chosen before your turn. One can always hope though.
 
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One and Done said:
I'm an Arizona fan and alum...I've watched Hill throughout his time at U of A & I don't know if he will ever be NBA material. He puts up the stats, but the way he does it would not transfer to the NBA...it's often pretty sloppy. He also gets into a lot of foul trouble.

I wish I could be more descriptive, but his game reminds me of players that you see in the D-League...sure, they put up stats, but they're not NBA-worthy.
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There's no doubt that he needs a lot of work. Here's the question, is it because of his coming to basketball late in life, or is it because he's just not capable of learning. I'm in no way saying the Kings should pick him, I just think he's someone to keep an eye on with the second pick in mind.
 
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