Bricklayer
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Circa_1985_Fan said:
Nope -- in true holiday spirit PJ can go bleep himself as far as I'm concerned. Never.
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Nope -- in true holiday spirit PJ can go bleep himself as far as I'm concerned. Never.
Circa_1985_Fan
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I respect you Brick...but wholeheartedly would welcome Phil Jackson...in the spirit of ANY holiday!Bricklayer said:
He has 11 rings...we have none
SacTownKid
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quick dog said:
Maybe a new coach would put in our best defensive players when we are getting b****slapped in the paint. Maybe not. May be worth the gamble to just find out!
As previously stated, Don Nelson would just be redundant. It would be better to add a new element with a new coach. Take a look at Detroit and Saunders' offensive focus giving the team a new strength.
I am not an Adleman fan, a coaching change should have happened when it would have really mattered. So right now I am not too concerned about the coach situation. I'm more worried about the looming idea of Petrie not trading Peja and then the situation getting bad when he hits free agency and the team overpays for him or gets nothing for him.
I am not an Adleman fan, a coaching change should have happened when it would have really mattered. So right now I am not too concerned about the coach situation. I'm more worried about the looming idea of Petrie not trading Peja and then the situation getting bad when he hits free agency and the team overpays for him or gets nothing for him.
Circa_1985_Fan
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Thats why we need to trade him now, before he bolts and we get nothing. Oh yeah, and bringing in a ball buster like Paul Silas would be more adept for this team at this point...Adelman is a softie, and without a leader, like our team right now, a ball buster is needed, especially for a guy like Bibby.swisshh said:
jacobdrj
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Sum182 said:I was watching Dallas vs. Kings on TNT in spanish, and the guys said that there's some rumors that mention Don Nelson's return with the Kings. They said that Nelson is a very good friend of the Maloofs.
MMMM... it would be another bad move.
Wow, just wow. Going from old-school-1 to old-school-1a? I don't think that's the best idea. ESP since Adleman is the better of the 2.
Kings need a new-school coach if they want to upgrade. If the guy is on my list, getting him would just be side-stepping the issues.
bcfy said:When you really get a defensive minded coach, you will miss Adelmen
People in the Rockets fan site really want to trade Van Gundy for Adelmen (over 800 replies on a topic called "Fire Van Gundy")
Adelman will not be out of work unless he wants to be, regardless of what some around here might think about him.
Circa_1985_Fan
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yeah, I remember...Paul Pressey was sick on defense!! Nelson CAN coach a defensive team, he just chooses flash to get attention and sell tix, over substance, for some reason.mary said:
Bricklayer
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mary said:
that was 20 years ago!
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pedro
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Don nelson is the 2nd winnignest coach in nba history. He'd be an asounding improvement over adleman. I like nelson's stratagies too. He's does little things to win games. Mismatches, speed, different zones, etc. hackabowens, hackashaqs, etc He's a smart coach. Addleman just has no energy. Nelson would be out there yelling and animated at the players. Good luck prying him away from the mavs organization though.
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playmaker0017
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I think Nelson could get us out of this funk we're in. That's what we need.
I just can't count the number of things our starters are doing or not doing that in high school basketball would get you benched. Much less seeing pros do it.
Also, I could punke everytime RA makes his subs.
It's just awful. Among the worst I've seen. It's almost counter-intelligent.
I think before the game, or at least the moment he sits a player, he's decided when he's bringing them back.
It's absurd.
I just can't count the number of things our starters are doing or not doing that in high school basketball would get you benched. Much less seeing pros do it.
Also, I could punke everytime RA makes his subs.
It's just awful. Among the worst I've seen. It's almost counter-intelligent.
I think before the game, or at least the moment he sits a player, he's decided when he's bringing them back.
It's absurd.
Bricklayer
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pedro said:
Don Nelson
Reg Season: 1,190wins (#2) 880losses (#4) .575 win% (#18)
Playoffs: 70wins 85losses .452%, 0 Finals Appearances
Rick Adleman
Reg Season: 728wins (#14) 460losses (--) .613 win% (#10)
Playoffs: 68wins 64losses .515%, 2 Finals Appearances
Truly an "astounding" step up.
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playmaker0017
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Bricklayer said:Don Nelson
Reg Season: 1,190wins (#2) 880losses (#4) .575 win% (#18)
Playoffs: 70wins 85losses .452%, 0 Finals Appearances
Rick Adleman
Reg Season: 728wins (#14) 460losses (--) .613 win% (#10)
Playoffs: 68wins 64losses .515%, 2 Finals Appearances
Truly an "astounding" step up.
I'll admit coaching ignorance. I'm not familiar with coaching backgrounds or anything.
Didn't Don Nelson coach some real stinkers and turn them around?
Did Adleman do that or has he always been a Phil Jackson inheriting pretty good teams (until this year)?
Whether or not Nelson is a step up or down - I think we NEED a coaching change. Teams usually stop listening to coaches over time and the coach has less and less of an impact on teams. Usually a coach's tenure is 3-5 years, if they are doing well, anything more is phenominal.
But - eventually - every coach has their fill and no longer makes the impact he once did.
I think a shakeup to a good, respected coach might do wonders for this squad.
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pedro
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Bricklayer said:
You revert to such simplistic, unipolar, unambiguous modes to satiate/aleviate the stress it puts on your mental facilites.
Nelson has coached more games, thusly his losses are higher. But his wins are also greater. When we compare to the same level of games coached with adleman, nelson wins and is ahead on percentages. Therefore an astounding step in the right direction, from what adleman is bringing. Or do you disagree with that? Care to put your foot in your mouth again?
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playmaker0017
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pedro said:
Not that I disagree with your argument that Nelson might be a step in the right direction right now ... I think your above post was quite rude and worse yet - incorrect (which makes the rudeness even harder to bear).
Percentage wise Rick Adleman is superior to Nelson, in both regular season play and post season play, and Bricklayer showed those percentages.
I'd probably take back the whole "foot in the mouth thing".
i seem to remember nelson outcoaching adelman time and time again only to be bailed out by the superior quality of players adelman had.
on a side note, cuban, i cannot stand that bizarre and ambitious guy. but how he got rid of nelson and put avery johnson in charge so that the team, after becoming a winner during the regular season, became a major force due to improved defense and toughness. should have been done with adelman as well.
on a side note, cuban, i cannot stand that bizarre and ambitious guy. but how he got rid of nelson and put avery johnson in charge so that the team, after becoming a winner during the regular season, became a major force due to improved defense and toughness. should have been done with adelman as well.
Bricklayer
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pedro said:
A little tip for you -- intellectual condescension works better if you don't base it upon grade school level mathematical errors. Thanks for the laugh however.
I'll color code this to make it supremely simple:
Regular Season Win %:
Adelman .613
Nelson .575
Difference: Adelman +.038
Playoff Win %:
Adelman .515
Nelson .452
Difference: Adelman +.063
I have never had the flexibility to get my foot into my mouth, sorry.
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playmaker0017
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Bricklayer said:
That's not the rumor around town ...
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twocents said:
Yes, I hate how that happened year after year after year. I mean Don got screwed. That man does it right -- defense, rebounding, interior play. Don's bread and butter. Its why he's always been such an amazing playoff coach except when matched up with opposing coaches who are just flat out lucky or who cheat. He builds his teams to WIN IT ALL babyyy!
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thesanityannex
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Adelman or Nelson, doesn't matter............they both haven't won squat in the post season.
Bricklayer said:Yes, I hate how that happened year after year after year. I mean Don got screwed. That man does it right -- defense, rebounding, interior play. Don's bread and butter. Its why he's always been such an amazing playoff coach except when matched up with opposing coaches who are just flat out lucky or who cheat. He builds his teams to WIN IT ALL babyyy!
oh come now! even you have to admit how you hated adelman would switch to midget ball against the mavericks only because nelson would dictate the pace of the game.
i never claimed that nelson would make a team more than good in-season and mediocre play-off. but even for all his disdain for defense, i would prefer him "for a while" over adelman. adelman will tease you, but never deliver (the final thing). i think that is mostly because he cannot take risks.
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playmaker0017
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In my opinion, both are great offensive-minded coaches.
It's one half this or one half that ... arguing all the rest is semantics.
Right now, RA isn't getting it done with this team and seems quite disinterested for the most part. I don't think we COULD resign him if his contract were up.
Does that mean Nelson can get it done with this team? Who knows? It may not be possible to motivate this particular unit to play as a cohesive unit. The pieces might be that disparate.
This doesn't mean RA is a poor coach, or whatever. He's still one of the winningest coaches in the NBA and will catch on somewhere if he leaves Sacramento... and he'll probably have a ton of success.
For whatever reason, this team is not responding. Hopefully it is as simple as a coaching change.
It's one half this or one half that ... arguing all the rest is semantics.
Right now, RA isn't getting it done with this team and seems quite disinterested for the most part. I don't think we COULD resign him if his contract were up.
Does that mean Nelson can get it done with this team? Who knows? It may not be possible to motivate this particular unit to play as a cohesive unit. The pieces might be that disparate.
This doesn't mean RA is a poor coach, or whatever. He's still one of the winningest coaches in the NBA and will catch on somewhere if he leaves Sacramento... and he'll probably have a ton of success.
For whatever reason, this team is not responding. Hopefully it is as simple as a coaching change.
