Do you question the man now!

[Padrino]

The dismantling that started with letting Jim Jackson walk is now complete. Kings basketball is dead indeed. It will be interesting to see what the new era brings.

i dont know if i'd call letting jim jackson go the start of the dismantling, but it certainly didnt help. a solid vetaran like that, who's tough mentally, is a great commodity off the bench. i wish we would have made him an offer.

 

[tyrant]

yes, kings basketball was made by some of the best players in this franchises' history. however, there are players out there that can bring the excitement back.




look who we had in the earlier days.......chris webber (which can be compared to kevin garnett, both with a strong oustide shot and extremely athletic. can pass the ball and average 6 assists per game). can we get a player like KG. maybe unlikely.

vlade.....not a strong force, but an inspirational leader.

doug christie........there are many guys out there who can contribute on the floor the way christie did. he was a ball handler and a great defender. i can name 10 guys off the top of my head that can do that. one thing that sucks is that christie had the respect of everyone. he set the tone. and it sucks because that's not as easy to replace.

 

[SlimKid15]

i dont know if i'd call letting jim jackson go the start of the dismantling, but it certainly didnt help. a solid vetaran like that, who's tough mentally, is a great commodity off the bench. i wish we would have made him an offer.

I thought we tried keeping him he just wanted more then we could give him. Thats the problem we have sometimes is players play to good for us and there stock rises then we cant afford keep em. Then they go back to playing there old ways when they leave.

 

[John Galt]

i dont know if i'd call letting jim jackson go the start of the dismantling.

I guess what I mean is - when we let Jackson go it was a conscious decision to slip talent wise albeit for what maybe were pressing financial reasons, after all the Maloofs have to pay for groceries too My understanding at the time was that the Kings did NOT make a serious run at him and Jackson was disappointed in that fact.

Should the Kings have paid him 5M? Sure why not? We were genuine contenders at the time with a big tough inspiring former all-star stud off guard coming off the bench.

Point is - was there ever a time since Jim Jackson's departure when the Kings IMPROVED personnel-wise? I say no. When Jackson left the Kings veered left...and have hung left ever since.

 

[Bricklayer]

I guess what I mean is - when we let Jackson go it was a conscious decision to slip talent wise albeit for what maybe were pressing financial reasons, after all the Maloofs have to pay for groceries too My understanding at the time was that the Kings did NOT make a serious run at him and Jackson was disappointed in that fact.

Should the Kings have paid him 5M? Sure why not? We were genuine contenders at the time with a big tough inspiring former all-star stud off guard coming off the bench.

Point is - was there ever a time since Jim Jackson's departure when the Kings IMPROVED personnel-wise? I say no. When Jackson left the Kings veered left...and have hung left ever since.

Webb blowing out his knee was the franchise turning point. All of a sudden, all fo the money the Maloofs had spent putting together this immensely stacked team was revealed as worthless if the heart went down. And so they retrenched. What was the point in paying millions upon millions of extra dollars if all that mattered was the top guys anyway? And we starting tossing guys away for money reasons. Quit persuing people in the offeseason. didn't use our exceptions. And in general went from one of the most aggressive ownerships in the NBA to one really watching, and letting, its team begin the long slow slide backward.

 

[Bonzi_Wells]

I have never questioned Petrie because I know that he does a good job in the end.

 

[swisshh]

Yes, I still question him. I think this move was made because he was slow on the trigger, I don't think this is the first offer he had or the first choice. FA dissapeared quickly and Petrie wasn't left with much.

 

[funkykingston]

Yes, I still question him. I think this move was made because he was slow on the trigger, I don't think this is the first offer he had or the first choice. FA dissapeared quickly and Petrie wasn't left with much.

I'm still casting a very critical eye Petrie's way, but it isn't like he had a lot to work with this summer.

What offers do you think Petrie is passing on? Does anyone here actually believe Denver ever came anywhere near offering Nene to the Kings? My guess is that it was never even discussed by the Nuggets. So what other deals or free agents willing to take the MLE did the Kings really miss out on?

 

[HndsmCelt]

To each his own. I think West's handling of his Bonzi problem was far superior to the genius Petrie's handling of his Mobley problem. Time will tell but Jackson is a former 6th man of the year and great locker room/community guy + Lopez is a heck of a player.

Before you get too high on West and throw rocks at Pertie look up some stats. Bobbby was great and still can play high octain ball but how many games has he played in the past 2 seasons? How many has Wells?

 

[Kings113]

Well, if you guys look at the last 3 years, Petrie's made his moves (aside from draft picks being signed) 7/20 or after.

 

[Bricklayer]

I'm still casting a very critical eye Petrie's way, but it isn't like he had a lot to work with this summer.

What offers do you think Petrie is passing on? Does anyone here actually believe Denver ever came anywhere near offering Nene to the Kings? My guess is that it was never even discussed by the Nuggets. So what other deals or free agents willing to take the MLE did the Kings really miss out on?

It seems clear to me that so far we:

1) tried to get Nene for Mobley, failed.
2) tried to sign Abdur-Rahim, failed
3) tried to get Bonzi, succeeded

I may have forgotten something, but I think that is pretty much the serious effort checklist so far this summer. We've speculated about a lot of other names, and a few have been attached to us in various reports, but I think the ones above are the ones that it seems pretty clear were really in play.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

I'm still casting a very critical eye Petrie's way, but it isn't like he had a lot to work with this summer.

What offers do you think Petrie is passing on? Does anyone here actually believe Denver ever came anywhere near offering Nene to the Kings? My guess is that it was never even discussed by the Nuggets. So what other deals or free agents willing to take the MLE did the Kings really miss out on?

Yes, how true, but how many of Petrie's trades have been that predictable during his tenure here? Especially in the last year. Webber to Philly?? Christie for Cuttino was a suprise. I think that the Bonzi trade was a bit predictable. I'm not ruling out still getting Nene from Denver...they still need a SG?? I guess we could dangle a S&T for Mo and something, but not sure if the Nuggets would do that.

 

[John Galt]

Before you get too high on West and throw rocks at Pertie look up some stats. Bobbby was great and still can play high octain ball but how many games has he played in the past 2 seasons? How many has Wells?

I'm not throwing rocks at Petrie over this. But I'm not going to stop throwing rocks at him because of it either

 

[Kings113]

Nuggets do need an SG still. They've been talking about getting Flip Murray/Sprewell. Talks have lessened with Buckner.

Nene would be my first realistic choice for a PF, then Griffin, then Evans.

 

[funkykingston]

Nene would be my first realistic choice for a PF, then Griffin, then Evans.

Realistic?

If the Nuggets weren't interested in Mobley for Nene, then I can't see what the Kings could offer now to pry him away. Peja? They've got Anthony. Bibby? They've got Miller and Boykins. Brad? Maybe. But in all three cases I think you're vastly overpaying for Nene's potential.

I have some serious doubts about bringing in Eddie Griffin, but I think he's a realistic option. Evans could probably be had for a sizeable chunk of the MLE, but I like him as a role player off the bench, not the answer to the hole the Kings have upfront.

 

[SlimKid15]

Yes, how true, but how many of Petrie's trades have been that predictable during his tenure here? Especially in the last year. Webber to Philly?? Christie for Cuttino was a suprise. I think that the Bonzi trade was a bit predictable. I'm not ruling out still getting Nene from Denver...they still need a SG?? I guess we could dangle a S&T for Mo and something, but not sure if the Nuggets would do that.

I dought the nugs would settle for Mo when they could of had mobley...I think that a deal for nene is dead, but i could be wrong.

 

[thesanityannex]

Yes, I still question him. I think this move was made because he was slow on the trigger, I don't think this is the first offer he had or the first choice. FA dissapeared quickly and Petrie wasn't left with much.

I'm interested to hear what offers he passed on, if any. Many of the trades were just rumors started here, or on other various websites.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

I dought the nugs would settle for Mo when they could of had mobley...I think that a deal for nene is dead, but i could be wrong.

What? I cant understand your reasoning of them NOT getting Mobley and trading with us to fill their needs at SG now. Oh well.

 

[thesanityannex]

What? I cant understand your reasoning of them NOT getting Mobley and trading with us to fill their needs at SG now. Oh well.

I believe you are both saying the same thing. Nene is not coming here, especially since Mobley is gone. Evans isn't getting traded for Nene.

 

[SlimKid15]

I believe you are both saying the same thing. Nene is not coming here, especially since Mobley is gone. Evans isn't getting traded for Nene.

Yeah thats what im trying to say.

 

[SlimKid15]

What? I cant understand your reasoning of them NOT getting Mobley and trading with us to fill their needs at SG now. Oh well.

Im saying if they passed on mobley why would they downgrade to mo, Thats stupid.

 

[Kings113]

Realistic?

If the Nuggets weren't interested in Mobley for Nene, then I can't see what the Kings could offer now to pry him away. Peja? They've got Anthony. Bibby? They've got Miller and Boykins. Brad? Maybe. But in all three cases I think you're vastly overpaying for Nene's potential.

I have some serious doubts about bringing in Eddie Griffin, but I think he's a realistic option. Evans could probably be had for a sizeable chunk of the MLE, but I like him as a role player off the bench, not the answer to the hole the Kings have upfront.

Who knows with Petrie though.

 

[swisshh]

I'm still casting a very critical eye Petrie's way, but it isn't like he had a lot to work with this summer.

What offers do you think Petrie is passing on? Does anyone here actually believe Denver ever came anywhere near offering Nene to the Kings? My guess is that it was never even discussed by the Nuggets. So what other deals or free agents willing to take the MLE did the Kings really miss out on?

Well Karl is actually quoted as saying he was considering it, but then after awhile didn't think it was a good move.

I thinK Petrie was waiting and sitting on that deal. I would be too, ideal move for the Kings. Yet, while he waited for Karl to go with it or not FAs were dissapearing, then Karl rejected it and the available players for acquisition had agreed to go elsewhere. For example, I'd rather have Nene than Kwame, but while the kings sat on Nene the Lakers got Kwame for Caron Butler. I think Mobley is a higher valued talent than Caron(maybe except for age). Kwame isn't great, but he's better than getting nothing for Mobley.

 

[Jerryaki]

i think petrie's still great at what he does. i'm fully expecting to wake up tomorrow morning to see this headline:

"kings and suns in blockbuster deal: thomas + williamson for stoudamire!!!!"

good nite everyone.

 

[Padrino]

i think petrie's still great at what he does. i'm fully expecting to wake up tomorrow morning to see this headline:

"kings and suns in blockbuster deal: thomas + williamson for stoudamire!!!!"

good nite everyone.

if yer fully expecting that, my friend, you will be sorely dissapointed.

 

[burekijogurt]

Bonzi for Nene?

 

[VF21]

Bonzi cannot be traded for 90 days.

 

[Entity]

Bonzi can be traded within 90 days as long as its with another player from the kings roster. Such as Bonzi and Corlis or Bonzi and KT. Or we could even sign a FA and trade Bonze and that FA.

 

[Bricklayer]

Bonzi can be traded within 90 days as long as its NOT with another player from the kings roster. Such as Bonzi and Corlis or Bonzi and KT. Or we could even sign a FA and trade Bonze and that FA.

You forgot a key word.

But no, Bonzi is not going to get traded a second time.

 

[SacTownKid]

Bonzi for Nene?

NO WAY!!!

I hope Bonzi is here to stay!