Demarcus rips Blake Griffin

[VF21]

I put out an invitation earlier for people to share their experiences with physical bball. Thanks to the 2 of you that responded. Maybe creditility on these forums has to be earned over time, but I suspect most of the pontificators on forums like this have little real experience with physical play. It helps explain the nature of a lot of the discussion.It is obvious to me that the refs really let the game get out of hand last Th. Sat nite was much better. The better team won. They ended the discussion with 2 wins and let the scoreboard do the talking. I didn't see any acting, whining or butthead attitude on Sat. That says a lot about the Clippers. Griffin will see some flagrant fouls eventually, but he is on notice thanks to Cousins.
I still say Entity is way off, especially for someone who is not 19 anymore and should know better.

So considering I'm a 5'1" female who didn't play basketball, I am merely a pontificator who cannot really speak to the topic at hand?

 

[Glenn]

So considering I'm a 5'1" female who didn't play basketball, I am merely a pontificator who cannot really speak to the topic at hand?

Ah, yes. Just as I am a 5'11' male who cannot by similar logic speak on the subject of child birth.

 

[rainmaker]

I put out an invitation earlier for people to share their experiences with physical bball. Thanks to the 2 of you that responded. Maybe creditility on these forums has to be earned over time, but I suspect most of the pontificators on forums like this have little real experience with physical play. It helps explain the nature of a lot of the discussion.It is obvious to me that the refs really let the game get out of hand last Th. Sat nite was much better. The better team won. They ended the discussion with 2 wins and let the scoreboard do the talking. I didn't see any acting, whining or butthead attitude on Sat. That says a lot about the Clippers. Griffin will see some flagrant fouls eventually, but he is on notice thanks to Cousins.
I still say Entity is way off, especially for someone who is not 19 anymore and should know better.

That's pretty much why pissing contests on internet forums don't work. Because people didn't respond to a random post from a random poster within a day, you take the giant leap of assuming all the "pontificators" on here have little real experience.

On forums you can't confirm past playing experience. If I told you I played pickup in this neighborhood or that, play with this ex NBA player or that current NBA player, or played at levels beyond simple pickup or high school ball would any of it matter on an internet forum? No. Nor does experience always equate to knowing the game better than others. Some of the greatest players of all time failed miserably at coaching. Kareem, one of the most physical centers to ever lace them up was terrible actually teaching/coaching the game. So was Bill Russel. MJ has made some phenomenal moves with Charlotte hasn't he?

No one here cares about past playing experience. You'll earn credibility through your posts, which everyone can judge. For someone who who's played as much as you project, you really haven't offered much analysis around here, and analysis is where respect/credibility will come. BTW, i know for a fact a number have played a fair amount of basketball, they just didn't care enough to respond to you for whatever reason.

 

[swisshh]

Let's not compare our highschool or pickup ball to the NBA please.

 

[VF21]

Let's not presume that you must have actually played the game in an organized setting in order to be able to converse about it. Geez...

 

[ppine]

Sarcasm and condescension are not going to help. If the discussion is about the Th game between Griffin and Cousins, then the people that know what mental and physical warfare on a basketball court are like then are in a better position to make comments (analysis). People that have coached this sport have a leg up in making analyses also. The endless talk about rotations and line-ups is wearing thin, because that is not the problem. The main problems are defense, injuries, mental toughness, and a coordinated offense. These players are all young and getting better. They deserve a lot more slack than they get on the forum. Smart is smart and needs a chance.

I apologize if I upset some of you with refined sensibilities.

 

[Spike]

Sarcasm and condescension are not going to help. If the discussion is about the Th game between Griffin and Cousins, then the people that know what mental and physical warfare on a basketball court are like then are in a better position to make comments (analysis). People that have coached this sport have a leg up in making analyses also. The endless talk about rotations and line-ups is wearing thin, because that is not the problem. The main problems are defense, injuries, mental toughness, and a coordinated offense. These players are all young and getting better. They deserve a lot more slack than they get on the forum. Smart is smart and needs a chance.

I apologize if I upset some of you with refined sensibilities.

So, in this instance, are you willing to defer to those who have played on a collegiate level and/or have coached the game at a level higher than rec league/kid's b-ball team/AAU?

I agree with VF21's statement, btw, but just curious on your take. We do all have differing opinions, and that's what makes discourse fun, but some of them are coming from backgrounds of experience related to the game at a higher level.

 

[VF21]

Sarcasm and condescension are not going to help. If the discussion is about the Th game between Griffin and Cousins, then the people that know what mental and physical warfare on a basketball court are like then are in a better position to make comments (analysis). People that have coached this sport have a leg up in making analyses also. The endless talk about rotations and line-ups is wearing thin, because that is not the problem. The main problems are defense, injuries, mental toughness, and a coordinated offense. These players are all young and getting better. They deserve a lot more slack than they get on the forum. Smart is smart and needs a chance.

I apologize if I upset some of you with refined sensibilities.

Oh, gee I'm sorry I dared to intrude into your testosterone-driven discussion. I'll just go stand in the corner and wait for one of you big strong men to explain the game to me.

I actually agree with the latter part of your post. It's a shame you have to cloak your good points with ego-driven elitist babble.

 

[Kingsguy881]

I personally believe that having quality experience on a basketball court validates ones opinion on the game. There is nothing better than experience in anything in this world. Just look at the genius who thought his left foot should be forward when shooting a free throw. If one actually did that, they would feel how awkward it is and know for a fact that that way of thinking is wrong.

 

[ppine]

Spike,My take is that experience counts. Pick-up games teach a lot because of the amount of hours fans of the game spend at it. There are no refs and some people think they can inimidate others. Playing high school ball teaches the complexities of defense and offensive formatioins, etc. College ball weeds out the average players, and everyone has a lot of talent, not to mention the NBA. All of these experiences have similarities. The game gets faster and people get bigger as one advances, but the mental aspects of the game don't change that much. Coaching forces people to carefully consider what they teach, which may be somewhat different than what they would do on the court as a player. I got hooked on the sport starting in about grade 6. In high school I had a 3 year period where I played everyday except for about 5-6. My career was limited by physical ability not by mental aspects or lack of trying. I played in industrial and city leagues until I was 51 and the knees couldn't take the pounding.The pick-up games where some people were motivated by race, economic class, neighborhood, or some other affiliiation like their company provided the best chance to learn something because it mattered more. In retrospect, basketball was an outlet for agression my whole life. This is the aspect a lot of non-players or casual players don't appreciate. For many people basketball is serious. Just ask DeMarcus Cousins.

 

[Glenn]

Spike,My take is that experience counts. Pick-up games teach a lot because of the amount of hours fans of the game spend at it. There are no refs and some people think they can inimidate others. Playing high school ball teaches the complexities of defense and offensive formatioins, etc. College ball weeds out the average players, and everyone has a lot of talent, not to mention the NBA. All of these experiences have similarities. The game gets faster and people get bigger as one advances, but the mental aspects of the game don't change that much. Coaching forces people to carefully consider what they teach, which may be somewhat different than what they would do on the court as a player. I got hooked on the sport starting in about grade 6. In high school I had a 3 year period where I played everyday except for about 5-6. My career was limited by physical ability not by mental aspects or lack of trying. I played in industrial and city leagues until I was 51 and the knees couldn't take the pounding.The pick-up games where some people were motivated by race, economic class, neighborhood, or some other affiliiation like their company provided the best chance to learn something because it mattered more. In retrospect, basketball was an outlet for agression my whole life. This is the aspect a lot of non-players or casual players don't appreciate. For many people basketball is serious. Just ask DeMarcus Cousins.

You underestimate the rest of the world.

 

[Prince_XY]

id like to see cousiuns fight with Blake. i think its exposure for the kings. negative as it may be it will sell more tickets and kind of give us a bad boy image especially if a few others join in the malay.

I would like to see that too for a change of drama in this team. (lol) And I would like as many key players (DMC, Reke, and MT) in the Kings team getting involved and backing each other. Maybe it would give our players some needed toughness and comradery. Or at least the suspension of our key players may help us tank games. (lol)

 

[kennadog]

Spike,My take is that experience counts. Pick-up games teach a lot because of the amount of hours fans of the game spend at it. There are no refs and some people think they can inimidate others. Playing high school ball teaches the complexities of defense and offensive formatioins, etc. College ball weeds out the average players, and everyone has a lot of talent, not to mention the NBA. All of these experiences have similarities. The game gets faster and people get bigger as one advances, but the mental aspects of the game don't change that much. Coaching forces people to carefully consider what they teach, which may be somewhat different than what they would do on the court as a player. I got hooked on the sport starting in about grade 6. In high school I had a 3 year period where I played everyday except for about 5-6. My career was limited by physical ability not by mental aspects or lack of trying. I played in industrial and city leagues until I was 51 and the knees couldn't take the pounding.The pick-up games where some people were motivated by race, economic class, neighborhood, or some other affiliiation like their company provided the best chance to learn something because it mattered more. In retrospect, basketball was an outlet for agression my whole life. This is the aspect a lot of non-players or casual players don't appreciate. For many people basketball is serious. Just ask DeMarcus Cousins.

You do realize that a basketball court is not the only source of those life lessons, don't you? Or are you really that arrogant? Also, you are making the serious mistake of assuming things about people here and judging them based on your assumptions, not actual facts. Finally, not everyone here feels a need to brag about themselves to try and prove their point has more validity.

 

[ppine]

This thread seems to hit a nerve with some people. Since the topic is basketball it is worthwhile to ask about people's experience with it. Life lessons can be learned in many different places. A lot of mine happen to have come on a court. The unkind nature of some of the posts suggest that for many people that they have come from somewhere else.

 

[Glenn]

This thread seems to hit a nerve with some people. Since the topic is basketball it is worthwhile to ask about people's experience with it. Life lessons can be learned in many different places. A lot of mine happen to have come on a court. The unkind nature of some of the posts suggest that for many people that they have come from somewhere else.

If you keep bringing this subject up, you arew just trying to aggravate people and therefore are a troll. I've been on this forum for 12 years and no one has ever asked anyone else if they have played basketball as what we value is knowledge and the ability to communicate it in writing. Nothing else has ever seemed important until 12 years into the forum, you tout your playground experience. Your playground experience doea not necessarily translate into anything interesting to read.

I suspect most people here have played basketball although I really don't know. We are simply called "fans" and from what I have seen from these fans is that they contribute as much or more than you do. Chest thumping is not interesting. I se you don't say where you are from but as thre was a sudden influx of Utah residents in December, I must guess you are from there and theefore suspicious as to your intnt of using this forum. "Course I might be rong but most people are not so secretive. The hard streets of Provo must be pretty rough.

 

[Spike]

This thread seems to hit a nerve with some people. Since the topic is basketball it is worthwhile to ask about people's experience with it. Life lessons can be learned in many different places. A lot of mine happen to have come on a court. The unkind nature of some of the posts suggest that for many people that they have come from somewhere else.

I honestly don't think people's experiences need to be brought up. It'll end up being a "hey, I know more because I did more" sort of thing which really doesn't contribute any. I mean, I suppose I could say, "your point is invalid because I have more experience playing/coaching/managing" over and over again, but that wouldn't be any fun.

Our perspectives come from different places - there's a reason why some of us focus on bigger picture issues vs. players having a bad game vs. coaching issues. It's what helps to make this board one of the better ones I've seen.

 

[ppine]

Glen,
I live in Nevada. I grew up 7 miles from the Wash DC border and went to the first integrated school in MD in 1955. As I mentioned, I am white and used to play black kids for money starting at age 10. I played in high school for a team that had a domed stadium that sent lots of kids to the ACC on scholarships. My next door neighbor played for NC State. My college room mate from my high school team played for the U of Maryland. On industrial teams I played with lots of ex-college players and a few semi-pros. None of this is to the point.

The point is that experience counts in life and on any forum. Lots of people like to develop their pretend characters on forums and make great assertions about a plethora of topics. They are all eventually found out. Usually the people with the bad attitudes are those that are exposed for their lack of experience. I would be glad to let this subject end right here.

 

[VF21]

...Lots of people like to develop their pretend characters on forums and make great assertions about a plethora of topics. They are all eventually found out. Usually the people with the bad attitudes are those that are exposed for their lack of experience. I would be glad to let this subject end right here.

For someone who has only been here a short while you seem to have made a number of assumptions about a lot of the long-time members of this forum. It would be nice if you'd at least acknowledge that you might not be the only person here who has a working knowledge of basketball, regardless of their gender or professional experience. Until/unless you can do that, you are nothing more than another newbie trying to make a name for himself by claiming superior experience.

Since you are the one who continues to harp on experience, you might want to consider the length of time some of us have been members of this august body. As you pointed out above, experience counts in life and on any forum.

 

[Glenn]

I am puzzled by the comment about pretend characters and that's why I didn't respond earlier. It never crossed my mind to develop one.

 

[VF21]

I am puzzled by the comment about pretend characters and that's why I didn't respond earlier. It never crossed my mind to develop one.

In all the years I've been moderating this board, I've found very few pretend characters. For the most part, people are who they are ... especially around here where a number of us have gotten to know each other pretty well. To paraphrase Shakespeare, I fear the gentleman doth protest too much. You know?

 

[Glenn]

In all the years I've been moderating this board, I've found very few pretend characters. For the most part, people are who they are ... especially around here where a number of us have gotten to know each other pretty well. To paraphrase Shakespeare, I fear the gentleman doth protest too much. You know?

I don't have the heart to say what I would like to say but I think we are on the same path.

 

[VF21]

FYI - Since at this point the thread has totally ceased to be about the original topic, it's probably best just to close it and move on - which I have now done.