Livinthedream
All-Star
I didn't see the report. I was going off of what the OP quoted. If that is all that Crandall quoted, then it is out of context.
David Stern just quoted....
- Thread starter pupsingh
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I didn't see the report. I was going off of what the OP quoted. If that is all that Crandall quoted, then it is out of context.
Who are you trying to convince here?
I just had this sent to your place -- check the mail in a couple of days.
First of all, he starts off the quote by talking about verifying johnsons statements. You think stern is just saying its better financially to stay in sac while we work on an arena". come on.
The Hammer
All-Star
Well, I didn't see the Crandall report, so I don't know how he set it up... but Stern's words are not out of any kind of context. He's just talking directly about the situation his reps are looking into, and then making a comment in favor of Sacramento.
If factors were different, he might have made a statment like "It appears Sacramento has a dwindling ability to support a franchise and if they stayed one more year, it would be a detriment to the team's ability to be successful."
See?
vikinginferno
Starter
You should probably change the quote in the first post. Although it is still a positive quote, it isn't AS positive as if that was what he had said.
Brac-o-matic
G-League
I can't help but think that if they have that attitude, they would have filed last week. No reason for THEM to look into the situation for another 2 weeks if they're going to file no matter what the NBA thinks...
RookieOfTheDay
Starter
Unless they figured they could sway the NBA over to their side in those two weeks. The fact that they're still keeping such a low profile and haven't made any statements or anything makes me think they're still planning on filing.
The Hammer
All-Star
Ok, no offense meant at all here... but is American English your first language?
Style, delivery, these are things it seems your missing. It's just Stern's style to be very deliberate and restate/frame the situation he's talking about, and yes he got the phraseology from KJ (that's one thing a leader/public speaker does-- they provide the vision through phrases that then people can understand and repeat, it's a very good sign that Stern is repeating KJs phraseology.)
im not saying its not a positive quote. it is. what im saying is that its not stern saying that sac would be better off financially and that it gives the nba and sac a year to get an arena done. that part seems like hes saying "look, this is the idea behind what sacramento is trying to convince us of"
The BOG probably told them that they would lose if they filed last week. So in order to gain more votes, they thought they could convince more owners to approve the move with the extra two weeks. Now, it looks like the owners may still vote against them. So, in theory they could file and get the necessary votes. They have nothing to lose because their reputation is already tainted.
i have a degree in english from davis....so ill ignore that stupid comment. but what im saying is that ppl are thinking its stern's own opinion that sac is better off financially and that one year gives us more time....he is simply stating what sac is trying to prove these two days
Dr. Spaceman
Bench
Not trying to be harsh here, but you're really putting on a crushingly embarrassing display of your reading comprehension for us. You seem to think that those of us who see this as a positive think he's saying the increased corporate revenue means the Sacramento market is now better than the financial outlook in Anaheim. That is not what's being said here. He is saying that things will be better off financially if his relocation committee, the very same that was in Sacramento today, is able to thoroughly verify those corporate commitments. If they are able to verify those commitments, which they started today and will continue on Monday, he is saying that Sacramento is suddenly a very viable market, at least with the information he has now. If you'd been actually following the narrative of this situation over the last few days, you'd understand this.
Ouch. Is it too late for a refund?
vikinginferno
Starter
Pupsingh, yeah I agree with you that he isn't necessarily saying that it will be better off financially, but that he is verifying that claim to make sure that if they do stay, that it WILL be better off financially.
this is exactly what im saying
vikinginferno
Starter
Spaceman, chill. No reason to be a douchebag to him about it.
The Hammer
All-Star
No, he's not saying that SAC would be better off financially, he's saying the KINGS would be better off financially (than previous years) and this situation could allow an arena deal to get done over the next year. The statement is kind of made to be on the contingency that the 9.2 mil is verified... but all indications are that it's legit (supposedly that's what today was all about veryifying). He's not "announcing" annything, but it's a HUGELY positive statement for Sacramento. He's basically stating his opinion that with the new $$ the Kings will be good enough financially to support themselves for another year in Sac, and that this year can be used to get an arena deal done with a more regional support (something that's new). Don't pick it apart too much people, it's HUGE.
well i think your reading comp should be questioned because i never said this wasnt a positive. i just said that stern is simply verifying johnsons claims that sac would be better off financially if we got one more year and it would give us more time for an arena. crushingly embarrassing huh ok thanks.
The Hammer
All-Star
Well, I guess I'd disagree with you on that. I do think he is stating his opinion, but that it's contingent on veryifyign the cash, which appears to have happened.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
What the Maloofs want makes no difference. If an arena is built, an absolute #1 priority to Stern, the team can't leave. The league won't let them. This is no longer an issue about the Maloofs but back to an issue about this area.
Livinthedream
All-Star
This is the quote from the OP:
"....it would be better financially if they remain in Sacramento for this year and that gives us one more year to get together regionally on a new arena...."
This statement makes it seem as though Stern has made up his mind that Kings should stay in Sac. The actual quote with full context is:
"They're sort of verifying some of the representations by Mayor Johnson about how to produce so much in increased sponsorships, so much in increased ticket revenues. And as a result, if the team does come back or stay in Sacramento for another year, it will not only be much better off financially, but it will also give us the time to deliver a deal on a regional basis for a new arena."
When I read this, it's positive, but it does not appear that Stern has made a definite decision.
so, ( jus asking a question here not questioning your opinion), do you think this quote is stern verifying johnsons claims at the BOG?
Dr. Spaceman
Bench
You're welcome, you're still reading it wrong because he's not speaking for KJ, make sure you get that refund, and I'll leave it at that.
RookieOfTheDay
Starter
Yeah I know that but the person i replied to said the Maloofs just want a new arena. That's what i was responding to.
how do you know this? nothing about the quote points to this being sterns own opinion.
Yes, but they could still file in two weeks because, and I doubt the concrete plan can come to fruition in two weeks. Hopefully, the Maloofs will give us an extra 10 months before filing.
RookieOfTheDay
Starter
It looks to me like he’s speaking for KJ. Jet’s look at the full quote.
"They're sort of verifying some of the representations by Mayor Johnson about how to produce so much in increased sponsorships, so much in increased ticket revenues," Stern said Thursday night in Philadelphia before the 76ers-Heat game. "And as a result, if the team does come back or stay in Sacramento for another year, it will not only be much better off financially, but it will also give us the time to deliver a deal on a regional basis for a new arena."
The key phrase there is "They're sort of verifying some of the representations by Mayor Johnson”. That tells us that “if the team does come back or stay in Sacramento for another year, it will not only be much better off financially, but it will also give us the time to deliver a deal on a regional basis for a new arena” is in reference to Johnson’s representation.
Dr. Spaceman
Bench
You're right in that his quote doesn't imply a decision. Absolutely. -- but what it does imply is that if/when the numbers from KJ and Co. are verified, the financial outlook for the Kings in Sacramento looks viable, at least for another year with the focus on getting an arena done within that time frame.
ParniValjak
All-Star
Here is the thing though! If this committee led by Bennett comes back with confirmation that things are no where near as bad as they were led to believe, then the owners would take that as the basis of their vote.
If Maloofs still file hoping for an off chance that they get enough votes and it backfires (and if the committee recommends that the team stay for at least another year) then they are burning their bridges everywhere. They burn them in Sacramento despite the community proving that they are willing to back them financially. They burn those bridges with the NBA by ignoring their recommendations. So this leads Maloofs in a place where they don't want to be as its the worst possible place.
And even if down the track they file again, the owners won't look to kindly on their actions in the past and might block the move even if there is more basis to leave. This would force the Maloofs to either sell or bleed money to death. They won't do it unless they are pretty sure that they have a strong case to move and enough votes to do it.
They might be dumb, but they are not that stupid!
if stern was himself implying that the kings would be better off financially in sacramento then an announcement would pretty much be made already. and whats with your insults, im simply stating what i think. i didnt insult you. insults on an internet forum is pretty childish, were all kings here and want the same goal
