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Sac.1989

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no one knows if NY will match any offer thrown at lee this summer in there attempt to land two star FAs in 2010. Should we make a move for him if we miss out on the #1 and griffin. It gives us options if rubio declares meaning we could still bring in a quality big before next season and solve our PG problem through the draft. GP has shown interest in him before so it is a valid option indeed
 
Well, what the Kings need in the frontcourt is, first and foremost, frontcourt defense. Thrwoing piles of money at Lee would leave the team with, at best, mediocre frontcourt defense for years. Lee is a nice, complementary type player, but one, who does not complement this team at all. I'd much rather just stick with Jason.
 
jalfa said:
Well, what the Kings need in the frontcourt is, first and foremost, frontcourt defense. Thrwoing piles of money at Lee would leave the team with, at best, mediocre frontcourt defense for years. Lee is a nice, complementary type player, but one, who does not complement this team at all. I'd much rather just stick with Jason.
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While I will agree that frontcourt defense would certainly help this team, our frontcourt defense would be a lot better if we had someone that play defense in the backcourt. I lost track of how many three's the Suns took and made last night. Thats been the story all year. How many times do you see guard for the opposing team wide open on the perimiter with either Thompson or Hawes running at him?
 
bajaden said:
While I will agree that frontcourt defense would certainly help this team, our frontcourt defense would be a lot better if we had someone that play defense in the backcourt. I lost track of how many three's the Suns took and made last night. Thats been the story all year. How many times do you see guard for the opposing team wide open on the perimiter with either Thompson or Hawes running at him?
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Oh, I completely agree with that. It's just that our frontcourt needs help, too. This help could come with just Hawes and Thompson developing or it could come via the draft. Tying lots of money up into a player like Lee, who's just a bad defender and will most certainly not get better, and who isn't even that much better than what we hope to have in Jason, is just completely detrimental to the team. That is all I wanted to say.
 
in my opinion it does not make any kind of difference whether we all agree we want David Lee or not. I think he is unobtanium... no way the Knicks let him slip away.

If I'm wrong I'm delighted... he is a major stud I would LOVE to have him and would not mind adjusting whatever big picture plan I thought I had if David Lee fell in my lap, I would adjust the plan.

I don't watch the Knicks often enough to know he is a bad defender.. you wouldn't know it from his stat lines.
 
Actually he's a very underrated player. The problem is, it's just not for us (we have Hawes and Thompson, and many low level bigs like Diogu and Simmons already).

On a playoff team he would definitely shine and get more exposure--he appears to me to be more than an ultimate glue guy, because the guy is clearly a world class rebounder among NBA players, and not to mention he's extremely efficient in scoring and can even hit free throws to boot. Extremely consistent player, high efficiency scoring and extreme rebounding are almost constants in every game he partakes in. Doesn't hurt that he's a great athlete who has participated in dunk contests before. If he was on the Spurs, for example, instead of Drew Gooden, that would help them a lot more. Gooden has flaws in spacing out, lack of intensity, and while a good rebounder isn't the great rebounder Lee is.
 
hes very obtainable guys, hes practically making a pitch to the org to keep him in the upcoming summer. The fact is that the knicks really want to free cap space for 2010 and are willing to lose lee if there offer is matched.
 
I think JT is going to be just as good as Lee or better in a season or two.

One thing to keep in mind is that, although Lee is putting up good stats, he's putting them up in a D'Antoni system. Lots of rebounds and easy buckets to be had to inflate his numbers.

Granted he was putting up decent numbers last season too...But I think if we miss out on Griffin we should just sit tight with JT, if he doesnt show much improvement we can always get a PF with NEXT seasons top 3 draft pick :p
 
I like Lee a lot, but it would be just like adding Griffin, they might have trouble getting enough minutes. Either that or Jt will be the one to suffer. But if we could make it work, I would be all for getting Lee, especially if we don't pick Griffin and take a pg in the draft instead.
 
There should be at least one more quality player in the frontcourt, there's no doubt about that. It's just that this one player should really be someone that actually fits with the rest of our guys. What Lee offers, efficient scoring, lots of rebounding and a bit of passing, is something that's already there with JT and Hawes. I'd just much rather add a shotblocking defensive specialist and if that defensive specialist isn't a detriment to the offense, all the better, but it's nothing I'd put too much value on. After all, you could still tell him to run around and set screens.
 
jalfa said:
Well, take for instance this. He does this stuff all the time and also be very wary of stat lines that are put up under Mike D'antoni.
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True, he's never been a great help defender. However, he is a good rebounder, has good size, good hands, and can score if needed. More complete than any bigs we currently have.

Also, if I was guarding Dwight Howard, not sure if I'd leave him either. Maybe the fault is with the knicks guards that wouldn't be able to guard my grandma?
 
Oprostaj said:
True, he's never been a great help defender. However, he is a good rebounder, has good size, good hands, and can score if needed. More complete than any bigs we currently have.
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He is more complete than any of the bigs we have now, I agree, but will he be better/more complete than any of our bigs two-three years down the road? Even more importantly, will he be worth a huge investment? I'm rather disinclined to believe that

Oprostaj said:
Also, if I was guarding Dwight Howard, not sure if I'd leave him either. Maybe the fault is with the knicks guards that wouldn't be able to guard my grandma?
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If he were a good defender, he would still make an impact, though. As it is, he's just one more of the Knicks' substandard defenders. It wouldn't hurt to have one or maybe even two of these type of defenders, but as it is, the team is made up almost exclusively of players, of which you'd say "Well, if they really try they might become decent." At some point, you should stop adding even more.
 
David Lee is no longer what this team needs. To a large degree that's what we have with Jason, and Jason might have the potential to be better.

With Spencer and Jason in place, what the team now needs is defense up front. Defense everywhere actually. But defense up front is always a huge key -- close off the lane, and your lousy perimeter defenders get a little better because they can crowd their men outside with the knowledge that if they get beat its covered. And Lee is not that guy. He's a lousy defender. And at the moment so are Jason and Spencer.
 
Bricklayer said:
David Lee is no longer what this team needs. To a large degree that's what we have with Jason, and Jason might have the potential to be better.

With Spencer and Jason in place, what the team now needs is defense up front. Defense everywhere actually. But defense up front is always a huge key -- close off the lane, and your lousy perimeter defenders get a little better because they can crowd their men outside with the knowledge that if they get beat its covered. And Lee is not that guy. He's a lousy defender. And at the moment so are Jason and Spencer.
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Whew! I feel a lot better now...:eek:
 
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