Curry anyone?

[Showtime]

I loved the Princeton with Vlade. Unfortunately, there's really nobody in the NBA like that at present, Hawes included. Hawes will never have a 13-assist game, or average over 5 assists per game with a 2.4:1 A/TO ratio. It's just never going to happen. And JT won't match Webber's 5 APG average, either. It worked because we had two very unique bigs who could be counted on for around 9 assists per game, and that may not happen again for decades.

I have no objection to playing something kind of like the Princeton, and generally increasing ball movement, I think that's badly needed. But to think that we could get by with this roster + a combo guard seems like utter folly to me. So... no, thanks.

With this team, they are better suited with an inside-out game that focuses on Hawes on the block. He has the skills to be a Pau type post scorer. He's got the hook shots (both hands), he's got the midrange shot, he's got the length and agility to do those things, and I think he needs to be the focus of the offense. I'm really sick of seeing our skilled 7 footer out beyond the 3 point line setting screens for Garcia who puts up another bad shot or charges for the turnover.

 

[Kingster]

I'm not counting him out, but here is a list of all the centers in the NBA who averaged over 4 assists per game, regardless of assist/TO ratio, in 2006-2009:

Here's the same list for F/Cs:

And here's the list for PFs:
1. Kevin Garnett, 2006-7, 4.1 assists per game.

I'm not getting down on Hawes, not at all. I'm just pointing out that Vlade and Chris were freakish exceptions to the norm, and the bigs we have now cannot be expected to fill their shoes in that way. If we expect that, it will not end well.

Are you comparing 32 year old Vlade to 20 year old Hawes?

 

[Telemachus]

That makes no sense. LOL
Not very tall..hmmm...didn't think 6'3 was short for a PG. And just a little food for thought...here is the weaknesses of another 6'3 PG coming out a few years ago:

Weaknesses:
Doesn't have great footspeed or a very quick first step. Most NBA PG's have an extra burst of speed they can switch into to blow by their man and create their own shot, or get into the lane and create for others. HE doesn't.

He finds ways around that on the NCAA level, using a wide array of body fakes and nifty dribbling to get his defenders off balance. Will he be able to do the same in the NBA?

Defensively, he plays very well on the college level, but could have trouble finding the lateral quickness to guard players like Stephon Marbury, Dwayne Wade and others.

His three point shot isn't super consistent just yet, but I don't think that's too much of a cause for concern. His release could be a little faster, but that will likely be worked on in the pros. (NOT A PROBLEM WITH STEPH)

And lastly, how is his conditioning? He looks just a little pudgy; does he have room to get a little faster by shedding some weight? Is that just his body type? (AGAIN, NOT A PROBLEM WITH STEPH)

Guess you woulda passed on Deron Williams too?

That could have been a word for word assessement of Andre Miller coming out of college as well.

 

[fnordius]

Are you comparing 32 year old Vlade to 20 year old Hawes?

I was comparing Hawes with the 24-25 year old Vlade, who, unlike the 20 year old Vlade, was in the NBA. But you raise a good question.

If Hawes is going to be 24-25 by the time he can make very many assists, what does that mean for us? He may not even be a King by that point, he'll be a FA a couple of months after he turns 23. And that's a long time in NBA terms; assuming he sticks around, would we have to suck for 3-5 years while trying to play a Princeton which he couldn't yet support? And what about JT? His assist numbers are miles from where the rookie Webber's were, and the rookie Webber was 20. By the time Webber was JT's age, he'd been the NBA's leading big for assists for 2-3 years.

My point is just that it's very risky to design your whole team around something which is unlikely to happen. Vlade + Chris combined for 7.2-9.9 assists per game every year they played together. Hawes + JT, so far, are good for 3.0 (with a 0.8 assist/TO ratio, at that). Maybe they will triple their output in the next year or two, but my money's on that not happening.

And even if it did happen, would it really kill us to have a pass-first PG?

 

[Emma]

Hell we were not far off it and if we had a bit of luck (every team needs a bit of luck to win it all) we would have won the title running the princeton offence.

Twice!

I think Curry is a faster Bibby clone. I'll take him with the 4th pick right now, but not over Rubio (or heck, maybe even Harden) depends on the results of the coming weeks evaluations.

 

[Kingster]

I was comparing Hawes with the 24-25 year old Vlade, who, unlike the 20 year old Vlade, was in the NBA. But you raise a good question.

If Hawes is going to be 24-25 by the time he can make very many assists, what does that mean for us? He may not even be a King by that point, he'll be a FA a couple of months after he turns 23. And that's a long time in NBA terms; assuming he sticks around, would we have to suck for 3-5 years while trying to play a Princeton which he couldn't yet support? And what about JT? His assist numbers are miles from where the rookie Webber's were, and the rookie Webber was 20. By the time Webber was JT's age, he'd been the NBA's leading big for assists for 2-3 years.

My point is just that it's very risky to design your whole team around something which is unlikely to happen. Vlade + Chris combined for 7.2-9.9 assists per game every year they played together. Hawes + JT, so far, are good for 3.0 (with a 0.8 assist/TO ratio, at that). Maybe they will triple their output in the next year or two, but my money's on that not happening.

And even if it did happen, would it really kill us to have a pass-first PG?

I just don't buy your premise. I think Hawes can be an outstanding passer. I've seen him make passes that just shout to the heavens that he has the potential to be great, not good, in that department. I think you're forgetting how mediocre Vlade was in his early years. Magic ripped on him repeatedly for being soft. In fact, Magic would just laugh when Vlade's name was brought up, and it wasn't a compliment. It only took Vlade about 10 years to toughen up.

 

[bperiod]

All I'm asking for is a workout...PLEASE!

More positive feedback...why won't we bring him in?

Curry, Henderson impress coaches at Bobcats workout

Larry Brown:

“I didn't think athletically he took a backseat and I think a lot of people maybe were a little concerned,'' with his athleticism, Brown said of Curry.

“I heard people rave about the way he shoots the ball. The most impressive thing to me is how he passes the ball. He's a great passer.''

 

[Capt. Factorial]

More positive feedback...why won't we bring him in?

Has anybody said we're not bringing him in?

We didn't interview him in Chicago, and given that we're looking at just about everybody that suggests to me that we've got him scheduled to come in later. Maybe it's not announced yet but that doesn't mean it won't happen.

 

[bperiod]

Has anybody said we're not bringing him in?

We didn't interview him in Chicago, and given that we're looking at just about everybody that suggests to me that we've got him scheduled to come in later. Maybe it's not announced yet but that doesn't mean it won't happen.

Well, I don't think it looks good. I actually sent a message to Sam Amick..he responded:

"I just haven't heard his name, which I always assumed had something to do with the fact that the Kings may have finally had their fill of high-scoring wings. They want a distributor at the point, and may see a little too much Quincy Douby in Curry's game. Right or wrong, that's my best guess at it."

I just think we are gonna regret it. Mark my words.

 

[Pangloss]

A somewhat interesting interview. Be sure to watch the video


http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/Th...25109/curry_shows_his_hops_at_bobcats_workout

 

[bperiod]

A somewhat interesting interview. Be sure to watch the video


http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/Th...25109/curry_shows_his_hops_at_bobcats_workout

Just proving my point further..thanks for the link!