Cuban mouthing off again...

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playof...ory?id=2491783

Cuban airs grievances over Game 5 officiating
ESPN.com news services


DALLAS -- By the time Mark Cuban arrived in the Dallas Mavericks' locker room, he'd already peeled off the Jerry Stackhouse jersey he had been wearing in support of his suspended forward.

The symbolism was fitting: Stackhouse's hard foul in Game 4 of the NBA Finals was old news. The way Game 5 finished, Cuban had a whole new fight on his hands.

Cuban was irate over what he considered a series of officiating breakdowns at the end of Dallas' 101-100 overtime loss to the Miami Heat on Sunday night. The loss left the Mavericks trailing the series 3-2 and facing elimination going into Game 6 in Dallas on Tuesday night.

When time ran out in Game 5, Cuban ran onto the court to vent at official Joe DeRosa, then stared down and screamed toward commissioner David Stern and a group of league officials, from the court, then the stands.

Cuban was still boiling about a half-hour later during a testy interview with reporters.

He wrote a blog entry Monday explaining why he used profanity during a response to a question about whether this was the worst loss he'd endured.

"The reality is that it would be a waste of both of our time if I gave him the 'This was a tough one' answer, and a waste of my time to really think about it, particularly given there were 10 other reporters wanting to ask questions and we had a bus to catch," Cuban wrote.

His mind-set is perhaps better explained in a posting left a few minutes before titled, "Right is its own defense."

Cuban wrote about applying that catchphrase -- which he picked up from an old T-shirt -- to a business venture he's pursuing. He added that the slogan applies to the way he runs the Mavericks.

"I'm going to do what I think is right. Period end of story," he wrote. "You may not like that I want the officiating in the NBA to get better. I think it's the right thing to do."

NBA executives often praise Cuban for his passion, work ethic and high standards, even toward officiating.

It's his approach they're not always fond of, which is why he's been fined more than $1.2 million since buying the team in January 2000. That includes a $200,000 tab this postseason.

A league spokesman said Monday that Stu Jackson, the NBA disciplinarian, was not at Game 5 and had not reviewed what happened. Even if a punishment is assessed against Cuban, the league doesn't have to announce it.

Cuban practically turned getting fined into an art form after going from an owner of season tickets to owning the Mavericks.

One comment about him not hiring the league's head of officiating to manage a Dairy Queen landed Cuban as a manager for a day; he also donned pinstripes and officiated a Harlem Globetrotters game.

As his team improved, there were fewer stunts. He remained a visible, vocal critic, though, enough for some to suggest that his team ends up not getting the benefit of the doubt from officials.

Mavs supporters have brought that up again in the wake of three players getting suspended this postseason, with Stackhouse the most recent.

Dallas had a chance to win without its top reserve, leading by 11 points early and by four late in the fourth quarter. Miami ended up winning on a pair of free throws by Dwyane Wade with 1.9 seconds left in overtime.

Cuban had several gripes about the play that sent Wade to the line, starting with Wade not being whistled for a collision that left Dallas' Jason Terry on the floor.

"I guess that's not a call," Cuban said. "I guess that's not a foul."

An assistant coach later showed Cuban that Wade appeared to commit a backcourt violation before the contact with Terry. It's hard to tell on replays because of the giant championship trophy logo at midcourt.

"My understanding from the rule book is, if you are going to catch the ball in the backcourt, you have to be in the backcourt to catch it," Cuban said.

But the NBA pointed out Monday that there was no violation on the play, citing a rule that allows a player to go into the backcourt to receive an inbound pass during the last two minutes of the fourth quarter or any overtime period.

Between Wade's free throws, Dallas was charged its final timeout. The Mavs insist they were only talking about calling it after Wade's second foul shot so they could set up a final play and move the ball to the frontcourt.

"Josh Howard goes to Joe DeRosa and not only once, but twice asks for a timeout," crew chief Joey Crawford told a pool reporter. "Forced to call it, simple as that."

Something else Mavericks followers are quick to note: Wade alone took 25 free throws, the same number as the entire Dallas team. The Heat took a total of 49 free throws.

"I don't know," Cuban said of the discrepancy. "I guess they got fouled more."
 

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When time ran out in Game 5, Cuban ran onto the court to vent at official Joe DeRosa, then stared down and screamed toward commissioner David Stern and a group of league officials, from the court, then the stands.
Way to go, Mr. Class.

His mind-set is perhaps better explained in a posting left a few minutes before titled, "Right is its own defense."

Cuban wrote about applying that catchphrase -- which he picked up from an old T-shirt -- to a business venture he's pursuing. He added that the slogan applies to the way he runs the Mavericks.

"I'm going to do what I think is right. Period end of story," he wrote. "You may not like that I want the officiating in the NBA to get better. I think it's the right thing to do."
Mindset? Mark Cuban's mindset is only about what's good for Mark Cuban. Right may be its own defense but there's a big difference between perception and reality... Even if he was right, that's no excuse for some of his actions.

A league spokesman said Monday that Stu Jackson, the NBA disciplinarian, was not at Game 5 and had not reviewed what happened. Even if a punishment is assessed against Cuban, the league doesn't have to announce it.
Stu Jackson may not have been there but I suspect David Stern will be able to fill him in on the details. Cuban's actions are now spreading to his team. Dirk Nowitzki's temper tantrum - and resulting mild slap-on-the-wrist $5K fine - are a prime example.

An assistant coach later showed Cuban that Wade appeared to commit a backcourt violation before the contact with Terry. It's hard to tell on replays because of the giant championship trophy logo at midcourt.

"My understanding from the rule book is, if you are going to catch the ball in the backcourt, you have to be in the backcourt to catch it," Cuban said.
Nice, Cuban, but you AND the assistant coach involved need to study the rule book a little more:

But the NBA pointed out Monday that there was no violation on the play, citing a rule that allows a player to go into the backcourt to receive an inbound pass during the last two minutes of the fourth quarter or any overtime period.
And then something that Cuban has NO "right" to complain about:

Between Wade's free throws, Dallas was charged its final timeout. The Mavs insist they were only talking about calling it after Wade's second foul shot so they could set up a final play and move the ball to the frontcourt.

"Josh Howard goes to Joe DeRosa and not only once, but twice asks for a timeout," crew chief Joey Crawford told a pool reporter. "Forced to call it, simple as that."
If anything, the blame for this falls clearly on Avery Johnson. If he's going to make a gesture like that to a player, he'd better be sure the player understands the whole gesture. Instead of blaming the official or blaming Josh Howard, Cuban should be venting at his rookie coach.

Something else Mavericks followers are quick to note: Wade alone took 25 free throws, the same number as the entire Dallas team. The Heat took a total of 49 free throws.

"I don't know," Cuban said of the discrepancy. "I guess they got fouled more."
Hey, Mark? Here's the deal. When your team DOESN'T drive in the lane and play the aggressor, you're not going to go to the line. When your opponent DOES, he will. I sure hope you have a nice selection of cheeses to go with that whine.

At this point, I can only imagine the thoughts going through David Stern's mind. I know what I'd do...

Mark Cuban is rapidly becoming as embarrassing for the NBA as Marge Schotz was for MLB. (And no, I'm not talking particulars. I'm speaking in relative terms of how they're impacting their various sports only.)
 
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Hey, Mark? Here's the deal. When your team DOESN'T drive in the lane and play the aggressor, you're not going to go to the line. When your opponent DOES, he will.
this is something that bothers me, because i know it's true. BUT it still doesn't make it right. a foul should be a foul and should be called that way regardless of a team or player's tendency/level of aggression.
 
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this is something that bothers me, because i know it's true. BUT it still doesn't make it right. a foul should be a foul and should be called that way regardless of a team or player's tendency/level of aggression.
I think her point was Wade was consistently going to the hoop and the Mavs couldn't stop him without fouling him. The Mavs were strictly shooting jumpers.
 

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I really don't have a beef with Cuban like most here do, and he is right up to a point in wanting NBA officiating to get better. But nobody is going to take him seriously if he only points out where the Mavs get "screwed". I've never seen him complain about a bad call that benefits the Mavs, in fact I think I remember a few times where he blew an obvious bad call off by stating bad calls happen all the time. Until he realizes his self serving hypocrisy nobody will take him seriously.
 
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On the backcourt violation, it shouldn't matter what time it occured. When I saw it live it appeared that Wade jumped from the frontcourt into the backcourt to recieve the pass, making it a violation. He never established position in the backcourt prior to catching the ball. That may or may not be what Cuban is intimating, but that's what I saw live. Of course, Wade has carte blanche to do whatever he wants at home in Miami.
 

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On the backcourt violation, it shouldn't matter what time it occured. When I saw it live it appeared that Wade jumped from the frontcourt into the backcourt to recieve the pass, making it a violation. He never established position in the backcourt prior to catching the ball. That may or may not be what Cuban is intimating, but that's what I saw live. Of course, Wade has carte blanche to do whatever he wants at home in Miami.
It makes a big deal of difference what time it occured. The NBA rules, which are quoted in the game 5 thread, specify the last two minutes are treated differently.

You might want to check out that thread to see what we're saying...
 
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Cuban really needs to.....go die and just quit. When Wade's shots weren't falling, he drove to the basket. And it also doesn't help when Harris and Howard bite on every single Wade pump fake. SO Cuban, shut it.
 
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its hard to draw contact when all of your shots are fade away jumpers coming off of screens..... thats all dirk and terry did, dirk does that same spin-fade away jump shot every time....
 
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I have a hard time feeling sorry for Cuban and the Mavs. When you employ a strategy of fouling poor free-throw shooters on purpose, no matter how viable a strategy you think it is, you don't deserve to be complaining about the officiating. That's not basketball...and if you've really become such a great defensive club, you don't need to take the gamble that Shaq will miss those free throws. Pathetic.
 

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And can someone explain to me why they were utilizing Hack-a-Shaq when the Heat weren't in the penalty???

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And can someone explain to me why they were utilizing Hack-a-Shaq when the Heat weren't in the penalty???

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I suppose to disrupt them from getting into their offense...slow Wade down...make them inbound the ball...that kind of thing. Stupid. Play defense, play BASKETBALL.
 

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That couldn't have been their rationale, could it? If so, that's even more lame than anything I tried to think of...

I didn't think I'd ever say this, but I'm really looking forward to tomorrow night's game. It could get very interesting.

If nothing else, Pat Riley has a bag of tricks he hasn't even opened yet. Avery Johnson? Well, let's just say the timeout snafu shows which is the better coach...
 

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According to someone over at SpursReport, David Stern had the following comments on Best Damn Sports Show tonight:

It's too bad that he wants the Finals to be about him instead of his team.
and

He's losing it under the pressure of the Finals.
I don't watch BDSSP, so I can't verify but I really hope those are legitimate quotes.

Stern laying the smack down on Mark Cuban.

:p
 
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If Cuban flips out this bad now imagine how bad he'll be if the Mavs lose the Finals. He looks like he's working on several heart attacks.
 
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If Cuban flips out this bad now imagine how bad he'll be if the Mavs lose the Finals.
Now that would be a train wreck worth watching. Yet another reason to hope that the Heat wins, heh. What do you predict Cuban will do if the Heat win?? My guess is that he hires a bunch of people to form an investigative committee to analyze each Finals game and put together a report detailing how the NBA and it's referees screwed the Mavs over. Then he'll mouth off about it to every media source he can find.
 

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There was a discussion on a sports show this morning when I was either going to bed or waking up to watch the World Cup where they were talking about Cuban cursing out David Stern after the game along the lines of "F you and your F'in league, its fixed!"

Some sports rag published this story and the sports guys were trying to figure out if he actually said it or if it was irresponsible journalism. Anyone know who actually ran this story or hear any more about it?
 
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There was a discussion on a sports show this morning when I was either going to bed or waking up to watch the World Cup where they were talking about Cuban cursing out David Stern after the game along the lines of "F you and your F'in league, its fixed!"

Some sports rag published this story and the sports guys were trying to figure out if he actually said it or if it was irresponsible journalism. Anyone know who actually ran this story or hear any more about it?

Yea, I only heard about it; this guy in my sport media class said that a Miami writer heard what Cuban said...But like I said, it's what I heard so I don't know if it's true or not.
 
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I would hate to be the one next to Cuban if the Mavs lose game 6 or 7, chances are you are going to find yourself on the ground being strangled...Or he could just pull out a revolver and blow your brains out and then commit suicide. That would keep sportscenter occupied for a while
 
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David Stern is getting tired of Cuban as well

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2006/news/story?id=2491783

Stern would like Cuban to retain more control


Commissioner David Stern said Tuesday he believes that outbursts by Dallas owner Mark Cuban are "not healthy for either him or the game."

"I don't think he is crazy. I think he is smart. I think his recent loss of self control is not planned and not calculated, and I think if he could, he would like to have some of it back," Stern said in an interview on San Francisco radio station KNBR. "Because at bottom, I really do believe it distracts the players and that can't be good. It sets a bad tone.

"He is very smart, he has to take credit and should be given credit for putting together a great team and giving his fans the entertainment experience in that building which is terrific. But at times I think he loses control and that is not healthy for either him or the game."
Cuban was irate over what he considered a series of officiating breakdowns at the end of Dallas' 101-100 overtime loss to the Miami Heat on Sunday night. The loss left the Mavericks trailing the series 3-2 and facing elimination going into Game 6 in Dallas on Tuesday night.

When time ran out in Game 5, Cuban ran onto the court to vent at official Joe DeRosa, then stared down and screamed toward Stern and a group of league officials, from the court, then the stands.
On Monday, Stern told ESPN Radio 760 in West Palm Beach, Fla., that he did not speak to Cuban after the game.

"Mark has a way of looking over in the direction of wherever I happen to be sitting if the occasion of calls or game action he doesn't particularly like," Stern said. "But that would not make him the first owner to do that. I did not speak to him at the end of the game."
The league was looking into Cuban's actions, but a league spokesman said Monday that Stu Jackson, the NBA disciplinarian, was not at Game 5 and had not reviewed what happened. Even if a punishment, which likely would come before Game 6 on Tuesday, is assessed against Cuban, the league doesn't have to announce it.

Cuban wore a Jerry Stackhouse jersey Sunday in Miami in support of the forward, suspended for a hard foul in Game 4.
A half-hour after Game 5, Cuban was still boiling during a testy interview with reporters.

He wrote a blog entry Monday explaining why he used profanity during a response to a question about whether this was the worst loss he'd endured.

"The reality is that it would be a waste of both of our time if I gave him the 'This was a tough one' answer, and a waste of my time to really think about it, particularly given there were 10 other reporters wanting to ask questions and we had a bus to catch," Cuban wrote.
His mind-set is perhaps better explained in a posting left a few minutes before titled, "Right is its own defense."

Cuban wrote about applying that catchphrase -- which he picked up from an old T-shirt -- to a business venture he's pursuing. He added that the slogan applies to the way he runs the Mavericks.

"I'm going to do what I think is right. Period end of story," he wrote. "You may not like that I want the officiating in the NBA to get better. I think it's the right thing to do."

NBA executives often praise Cuban for his passion, work ethic and high standards, even toward officiating.
It's his approach they're not always fond of, which is why he's been fined more than $1.2 million since buying the team in January 2000. That includes a $200,000 tab this postseason.

Still, Stern told ESPN Radio 760 that he wouldn't have a problem handing the championship trophy to Cuban if the Mavericks win the title.

"I've been doing this for a long time and I have a very good relationship with the Dallas franchise," Stern said. "I was there when it was formed. I was just visiting with Donald Carter who is a shareholder and the initial owner and is still an owner. I visited with Ross Perot Jr. who is still an investor and sold the majority to Mark [Cuban] and I spend time with Mark as well. Franchises in their own way belong to cities, in any event, and I would be very happy to award a trophy to either the good city of Miami, or the good city of Dallas."

Asked Monday night in an interview on Dallas television station WFAA if he would consider selling the team if he didn't see some of the league changes he wants, Cuban snapped his fingers and said "In a heartbeat. Yeah, if they drive me that crazy, in a heartbeat."
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and not seeing any different results. If they don't want to make things better, then what am I here for?"

Cuban practically turned getting fined into an art form after going from an owner of season tickets to owning the Mavericks.
One comment about him not hiring the league's head of officiating to manage a Dairy Queen landed Cuban as a manager for a day; he also donned pinstripes and officiated a Harlem Globetrotters game.

As his team improved, there were fewer stunts. He remained a visible, vocal critic, though, enough for some to suggest that his team ends up not getting the benefit of the doubt from officials.
Mavs supporters have brought that up again in the wake of three players getting suspended this postseason, with Stackhouse the most recent.

Dallas had a chance to win without its top reserve, leading by 11 points early and by four late in the fourth quarter. Miami ended up winning on a pair of free throws by Dwyane Wade with 1.9 seconds left in overtime.

Cuban had several gripes about the play that sent Wade to the line, starting with Wade not being whistled for a collision that left Dallas' Jason Terry on the floor.

"I guess that's not a call," Cuban said. "I guess that's not a foul."
An assistant coach later showed Cuban that Wade appeared to commit a backcourt violation before the contact with Terry. It's hard to tell on replays because of the giant championship trophy logo at midcourt.

"My understanding from the rule book is, if you are going to catch the ball in the backcourt, you have to be in the backcourt to catch it," Cuban said.

But the NBA pointed out Monday that there was no violation on the play, citing a rule that allows a player to go into the backcourt to receive an inbound pass during the last two minutes of the fourth quarter or any overtime period.

Between Wade's free throws, Dallas was charged its final timeout. The Mavs insist they were only talking about calling it after Wade's second foul shot so they could set up a final play and move the ball to the frontcourt.

"Josh Howard goes to Joe DeRosa and not only once, but twice asks for a timeout," crew chief Joey Crawford told a pool reporter. "Forced to call it, simple as that."
Something else Mavericks followers are quick to note: Wade alone took 25 free throws, the same number as the entire Dallas team. The Heat took a total of 49 free throws.
"I don't know," Cuban said of the discrepancy. "I guess they got fouled more."
 
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I disagree with Stern that Cuban's antics are unplanned. On the contrary, Cuban acts that way so that he can be the center of attention. That is his number one goal in life, and he'll do anything he has to in order to get the media and cameras pointing towards him.
 

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Cuban denies calling the league rigged on his blog:
http://www.blogmaverick.com/entry/1234000720073759/
Two other things. Apparently the Miami Herald is reporting i screamed at the NBA comissioner after the game the other night. Didnt happen. Didnt say a word to the man. Not a single word. And that was absolutely by intention.

Apparently this “reporter” has written he has several “sources”. Well they must be the same sources the tabloids use to find two headed babys and aliens, because it didnt happen.

Ive already blogged about and been fined for the source of my displeasure in these playoffs and there was absolutely no reason for me to say another word about it and i wont.

Back to the same “reporter”. He references the play call that led to Wades 2 free throws. Well there is a picture being sent around showing Devin Harris’s arm on DWades shooting arm. Well beyond not knowing if the contact was more than incidental, there is one thing we do know. It occured AFTER the whistle blew. Notice DWade up in the air, more importantly notice his eyes closed and Dirks hand no where near his back, and no real chance to get placed on his back, which is what triggered the whistle. This was at the end of the play. After the whistle blew.
ESPN just reported he was fined 250k.
 
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Notice DWade up in the air, more importantly notice his eyes closed and Dirks hand no where near his back, and no real chance to get placed on his back, which is what triggered the whistle...
Someone should send him the OTHER picture that show's Dirk's hand in Wade's back...