Contract extension for Divac + David Morway

[NewArena]

Brck's analysis of Vlade's intent is good as it gets. Intended plan and what really happens are probably two different things - it's not like ordering on-line. I'll throw my lot with Vlade.

THIS!

 

[NewArena]

Vlade is going to remain the GM and team president until further notice, and that's a good thing. He may not be the most experienced basketball executive, but he certainly knows basketball, and he loves Sacramento. And the best possible path forward for us is one where Vlade picks the coach, builds the team, and remains accountable for his decisions. Then we're building a team not just a collection of talent in matching uniforms.

Vivek's think-tank idea was an interesting failure. It might have worked. You could say that it failed because of the particular people he chose to listen to, but I don't think it was entirely that. There was a certain mercenary mentality with all of these guys -- even Mitch Richmond -- who hasn't associated himself much with the franchise before or after his brief run as adviser; a position which seems to have had more to do with Chris Mullin's involvement than his role as a retired former Kings hero. PDA would have taken any GM job as a stepping stone to prove himself. Mullin was ousted from Golden State and happened to know an impressionable new owner who was willing to listen to his personnel suggestions. There was nothing particularly Sacramento about any of them and their decision-making was more about trying to prove themselves than about trying to solidify the future of the franchise. Look at how they treated Tyreke in their first month on the job and that bizarre 24 hour only contract offer to Igoudala. They were convinced they were the smartest guys in the room and they wanted you to know it. Maybe I'm reading the situation incorrectly, but it was the dismissive manner in which many season ticket holders were treated as open wallets rather than loyal customers and the way this motley crew of first-timers condescended and talked down to us about the "style of basketball" that we wanted to see that angered me more than any particular decision they made.

And what Vlade represents is the exact opposite of that. He's one person with one vision of how the team should be built. He loves this franchise as much as we do. He's brought in former teammates and coaches and sought their advice or offered them formal jobs in the organization. This feels much more comfortable to me because it feels like a family. Vlade may not be a big name in the GM world, but that doesn't mean he can't be in time. We've got to give him a chance to see what he can do. But regardless I appreciate the feeling of family that he's brought back to the team. We shouldn't try to be Golden State or Los Angeles or New York. We have our own traditions and eccentricities and there's nothing wrong with that. Of course Vlade should hire whoever he wants to hire to help him do his job to help the team. But the hand-ringing over lack of experience or know-how is a national media fiction. Nobody starts their career with an impressive resume. Vlade represents Sacramento and he's loyalty personified. That makes him the right choice at the right time.

BEAUTIFUL post. wow. I really can't say much else other than that

You really made some interesting points and put things into perspective in a way that i hadn't yet seen. Obviously there are many members here that clearly know their stuff, though. So ... i guess i could say a bit
more disregard the first part of my post

 

[Livinthedream]

Morway not coming to Kings per Woj.

 

[One and Done]

Morway not coming to Kings per Woj.

Does anyone want to work for us? Sheesh.

You'd hope they have some strong alternates in the pipe, but we haven't heard a peep . With the draft coming up and a very important offseason approaching (ie how do we get better with limited assets OR make the big DMC trade), we need help ASAP.

Perhaps they should contract to Kingsfans.com as most of us seem to have made better decisions over the years...

 

[Siranthony]

The team seems to be sending mixed messages. You hear they want to hire a GM. Then Vlade says he is the GM. What position do they want to hire for? They need to get they're acts together over there.

 

[Livinthedream]

The team seems to be sending mixed messages. You hear they want to hire a GM. Then Vlade says he is the GM. What position do they want to hire for? They need to get they're acts together over there.

This is key. We can't hire an experienced GM if we're not going to let him be a GM.

I understand that people and Vlade say that he is the GM. But if that's the case and Vlade wants that title, then it will be hard to get a top flight guy in here to help. Marks and Mowry don't need to come here and play an insignificant role. They're too experienced for that.

 

[Livinthedream]

Does anyone want to work for us? Sheesh.

You'd hope they have some strong alternates in the pipe, but we haven't heard a peep . With the draft coming up and a very important offseason approaching (ie how do we get better with limited assets OR make the big DMC trade), we need help ASAP.

Perhaps they should contract to Kingsfans.com as most of us seem to have made better decisions over the years...

Egos are getting in the way. From top to bottom.

 

[Bricklayer]

This is key. We can't hire an experienced GM if we're not going to let him be a GM.

I understand that people and Vlade say that he is the GM. But if that's the case and Vlade wants that title, then it will be hard to get a top flight guy in here to help. Marks and Mowry don't need to come here and play an insignificant role. They're too experienced for that.

Don't really need a top flight guy to help.

Wouldn't mind one. Also understand why that would not be in their interests. If a guy wants too much control, then Vlade is being wise in holding off. No more front office infighting, especially not by somebody agitating for some of his pie.

Also note that given the Thibs deal, there may be an advantage to holding off crowding the front office until you are sure you don't need a title/role there as part of your bid to a potential coach. Remember for instance that McHale mostly ran the TWolves for a decade (rather dubiously I might add, but still, if you wanted to coax a reluctant coach who just got surprise canned by his old franchise.,.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Morway not coming to Kings per Woj.

so, it was the highway, then?

 

[Glenn]

The team seems to be sending mixed messages. You hear they want to hire a GM. Then Vlade says he is the GM. What position do they want to hire for? They need to get they're acts together over there.

I think we need to quit expecting that the info from the FO is real AND thinking that we have right to know what the FO is thinking.

 

[funkykingston]

The team seems to be sending mixed messages. You hear they want to hire a GM. Then Vlade says he is the GM. What position do they want to hire for? They need to get they're acts together over there.

This whole deal with titles seems to be tripping people up.

Regardless of who has the title of GM, Divac will make the final call on draft picks, trades, and signings of players and the hiring and firing of coaches. The person being brought in would help with decision making, working the phones and the nuances of the CBA.

Morway was a good choice in that he has experience but not a great choice given his track record.

But simply put Vlade is looking for someone to do the stuff D'Alessandro was good at while he (Divac) handles the stuff that D'Alessandro was poor at.

 

[206Fan]

Vlade needs help in the FO. This is concerning. First Bobby Marks, and now Morway?

This team needs to fix their crap so we can get a coach.

 

[Bricklayer]

Vlade needs help in the FO. This is concerning. First Bobby Marks, and now Morway?

This team needs to fix their poopoo so we can get a coach.

This continues to not be a realistic assessment of the situation.

Whether Vlade does or does not need and will or will not hire extra front office help, the coach appears to be his call and his coach. The hiring of another front office underling is not holding anything up.

 

[Livinthedream]

This whole deal with titles seems to be tripping people up.

Regardless of who has the title of GM, Divac will make the final call on draft picks, trades, and signings of players and the hiring and firing of coaches. The person being brought in would help with decision making, working the phones and the nuances of the CBA.

Morway was a good choice in that he has experience but not a great choice given his track record.

But simply put Vlade is looking for someone to do the stuff D'Alessandro was good at while he (Divac) handles the stuff that D'Alessandro was poor at.

True, we are getting caught up in titles. However, there is a generally accepted structure that works in professional sports. I'd prefer to have a full front office and basketball operations staff to support our inexperienced ownership group. This is not a knock on Vlade or anything of the sort. But a good, solid GM to work with our president of operations would be ideal.

Taking on multiple roles when it's not necessary and when there there is a lack of experience to justify it feels ego driven. I'd view it differently if Vlade had a legit GM in place first and then decided years down the line that he didn't need one anymore.

My thoughts take into account that Vlade makes the final decision no matter what. But having that extra voice in the room could make all the difference. Surround yourself with smart people.

 

[Glenn]

What would it be like to be a KingsFan if not for the self inflicted drama from the team itself boosted by fans' hysteria?

 

[Livinthedream]

What would it be like to be a KingsFan if not for the self inflicted drama from the team itself boosted by fans' hysteria?

I liked your post partly for the comment and partly for the avatar.

 

[Glenn]

I liked your post partly for the comment and partly for the avatar.

Prince's death hurt me in a very unexpected way, I AM a Minnesota but that isn't the whole story in my reaction. It still hurts. He was a good man. Now back to the hysteria.

 

[pshn80]

Does anyone want to work for us? Sheesh.

You'd hope they have some strong alternates in the pipe, but we haven't heard a peep . With the draft coming up and a very important offseason approaching (ie how do we get better with limited assets OR make the big DMC trade), we need help ASAP.

Perhaps they should contract to Kingsfans.com as most of us seem to have made better decisions over the years...

Hah!

 

[pshn80]

The team seems to be sending mixed messages. You hear they want to hire a GM. Then Vlade says he is the GM. What position do they want to hire for? They need to get they're acts together over there.

I suspect they have their act together. They just haven't let us know. On their sweet time, not ours.

 

[Glenn]

I suspect they have their act together. They just haven't let us know. On their sweet time, not ours.

And we have no right to know what they are doing especially if it could hurt a competitive advantage. Live without knowing, folks. Trust in Vlade. I understand that trusting anyone in this franchise to be anything but a self centered incompetent jerk is difficult but let us pretend for awhile that despite Vlade's inexperience in this specific job, he has the Kings interests at heart and he is a well respected man which is exactly what this franchise needed. We need to dig ourselves out of a hole created by the Maloofs and carried on by an over excited new owner.

A sign that we are headed in the right way is that the over excited new owner has been quiet. He either trusts Vlade or Vlade layed down the law under which circumstances he would stay. In defense of Vivek, I would rather have an over excited owner than a Jim Thomas.

 

[Padrino]

I suspect they have their act together. They just haven't let us know. On their sweet time, not ours.

indeed. the fans can't have it both ways; we can't complain about the parade of leaks that have come out of the organization in the last couple of seasons and then recoil when the front office clams up and doesn't reveal its plan or methodology...

 

[Capt. Factorial]

indeed. the fans can't have it both ways; we can't complain about the parade of leaks that have come out of the organization in the last couple of seasons and then recoil when the front office clams up and doesn't reveal its plan or methodology...

Ah, I see the two of you haven't met. Let me introduce you. Padrino, this is the internet. Internet, this is Padrino.

 

[Padrino]

Ah, I see the two of you haven't met. Let me introduce you. Padrino, this is the internet. Internet, this is Padrino.

haha indeed! sometimes i feel like quite the anachronism in the digital age, though i'm right on the earliest edge of the "millennial generation." i'm reminded of dylan thomas: "rage, rage against the dying of the light..."

 

[bajaden]

The team seems to be sending mixed messages. You hear they want to hire a GM. Then Vlade says he is the GM. What position do they want to hire for? They need to get they're acts together over there.

I think it helps if you actually listen to what Vlade says, and not what all the pundits are saying. Vlade has been very consistent with his message. Not so much for the pundits.

 

[bajaden]

I suspect they have their act together. They just haven't let us know. On their sweet time, not ours.

Most of the drama is being created by people who first, really don't know what their talking about, second, have little or no information on which to base their criticisms, and third, have an agenda of some sort. Now if I was privy to sit in on the meetings between Vlade and his prospective coaches, then I might be able to add something to the conversation. I suspect that in the Kings offices, there's little in the way of drama or confusion. Most of that is coming from television, radio, newspapers, or posters on forums. All of which know about as much as I do, which is not much.

 

[ockingsfan]

I think it comes down to this. Vlade is and will be the sole decision maker.

Vlade wants experienced help, but anyone with a lot of experience is going to want more power than Vlade is currently willing to give up. Thus, the paradox, anyone worth their salt in the G.M. game is going to want and need more power in the GM position than Vlade is willing to give them.

So, what will happen? Nothing, probably.

Vlade wants a numbers cruncher, a PDA light, without the ego. He may find someone eventually, but this person probably won't be a big name and probably won't have the title of GM, that belongs to Vlade.

For better or worse, Vlade will make all the decisions. I hope Vlade doesn't let us all down.

IN VLADE WE MUST TRUST.

 

[VF21]

haha indeed! sometimes i feel like quite the anachronism in the digital age, though i'm right on the earliest edge of the "millennial generation." i'm reminded of dylan thomas: "rage, rage against the dying of the light..."

One of my favorite poems. Ranks right up there with some of Ferlinghetti's works.