Concussions and sports (split from 20/5/5 watch thread)

[Section 101]

Yep.

My comment isn't based on anything I've heard, BTW. But since it was a mild concussion and only a bruised jaw, I cannot imagine Reke sitting on the sidelines in a suit. It's just not how he wants to pass the time. I fully expect him to be back for the Memphis game but if not, I have no doubt at all he'll be on the road trip in fine form.

With any concussion he should be out at least a week. The NFL just adopted a policy that a player stays out a week after the symptons of the concussion subside.

 

[BMiller52]

With any concussion he should be out at least a week. The NFL just adopted a policy that a player stays out a week after the symptons of the concussion subside.

Yeah I just had a concussion if you start playing too soon afterwards before all your symptons are gone you can get worse. It sucks. He should take the time off, come back for a last few games just to rap up ROY, but not play for about a week.

 

[D13]

I'm sure Tyreke wants to be back asap... but with a concussion you aren't supposed to fly because of the pressure. That messes up the road games this week.... But even more so you don't want to get hit in the head again too soon for sure.

This one might not be up to Tyreke feeling ok...

 

[Section 101]

I'm not sure where you're getting your information about him going to miss at least a week. It is NOT substantiated by the press release sent out by the Kings a short while ago:

If your refering to my post it has nothing to do with a news report, but with any concussion a player should stay out at least a week after all the symptons subside.

 

[cstorm]

Damn it Jim, I'm a Doctor!

 

[Section 101]

No, I believe that is the whole reason we adopted the +/- system for tracking his progress since it takes games played out of the math.

I don't think he needs to sit out a full week assuming a doctor clears him to play. The NBA is not the NFL.

But a concussion is a concussion. Why risk it?

 

[pdxKingsFan]

But a concussion is a concussion. Why risk it?

I'm not a doctor but I'm quite sure that it isn't as simple as "a concussion is a concussion" because they have differing severity levels. Which is why I explicitly stated that as long as a doctor clears him to play I'm fine with him coming back whenever he feels ready.

But the other reason is that there is not a lengthy history of NBA players with long term brain damage from multiple concussions sustained throughout their career as there is in the NFL. In MMA if you get a concussion (or get knocked out) it is a mandatory 45 day suspension of your license. Maybe Tyreke should sit the season because that's what works in the UFC?

 

[VF21]

But a concussion is a concussion. Why risk it?

There is a lot of difference between a severe concussion and a slight concussion. What Evans suffered was the latter of the two.

 

[Section 101]

I'm not a doctor but I'm quite sure that it isn't as simple as "a concussion is a concussion" because they have differing severity levels. Which is why I explicitly stated that as long as a doctor clears him to play I'm fine with him coming back whenever he feels ready.

But the other reason is that there is not a lengthy history of NBA players with long term brain damage from multiple concussions sustained throughout their career as there is in the NFL. In MMA if you get a concussion (or get knocked out) it is a mandatory 45 day suspension of your license. Maybe Tyreke should sit the season because that's what works in the UFC?

MMA your constantly getting hit in the head so ya they have a long policy. The NFL just started theirs. They have been doing a lot of studies on them. A player still risks another head injury in the NBA by contact or hitting the floor so a week is a reasonable time to recover.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

MMA your constantly getting hit in the head so ya they have a long policy. The NFL just started theirs. They have been doing a lot of studies on them. A player still risks another head injury in the NBA by contact or hitting the floor so a week is a reasonable time to recover.

So you can acknowledge the difference in risks between MMA and the NFL and NBA but not the difference between the NFL and its long history of guys with severe brain damage from concussions and the NBA where this is a non-issue?

 

[VF21]

If your refering to my post it has nothing to do with a news report, but with any concussion a player should stay out at least a week after all the symptons subside.

Um, what? No, I wasn't referring to you. I was responding to the post immediately prior to my own - that of xrzn. And, as discussed above, concussions vary greatly; your assumption that they should all be treated the same is without basis in fact.

At this point, I'm going to spin this discussion off into the General thread since it seems to be headed in a different direction than the Evans 20/5/5 topic.

 

[Section 101]

There is a lot of difference between a severe concussion and a slight concussion. What Evans suffered was the latter of the two.

And if he gets another one? Why risk it? It's a head injury, not some strained muscle. I'm shocked the people on this board would want him to rush back from something that is serious. It's not worth risking his brain over.

 

[Section 101]

So you can acknowledge the difference in risks between MMA and the NFL and NBA but not the difference between the NFL and its long history of guys with severe brain damage from concussions and the NBA where this is a non-issue?

Tell that to Gerald Wallace. It's even more an issue for a player who goes to the basket.

 

[Section 101]

Just did a quick google on nba concussions.

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/01/27/celtics.scalabrine.ap/index.html?rss=true

Scalabrine is out indefinately after his 2nd concussion in 3 days.

Heres one from scott howard cooper about the NBA seeing an increase number on concussions

http://neurosurgery.ucla.edu/workfiles/In the news/Hovda[1].Sac.Bee.pdf

And like the NFL players hide them from the staff for years because they wanted to play or fear getting labeled with a medical problem. Same could of happened in the NBA and we are just now seeing it.

 

[cstorm]

I'm not a doctor but I'm quite sure that it isn't as simple as "a concussion is a concussion" because they have differing severity levels. Which is why I explicitly stated that as long as a doctor clears him to play I'm fine with him coming back whenever he feels ready.

But the other reason is that there is not a lengthy history of NBA players with long term brain damage from multiple concussions sustained throughout their career as there is in the NFL. In MMA if you get a concussion (or get knocked out) it is a mandatory 45 day suspension of your license. Maybe Tyreke should sit the season because that's what works in the UFC?

You're forgetting about Dennis Rodman.

 

[PurpleHaze]

There is a lot of difference between a severe concussion and a slight concussion. What Evans suffered was the latter of the two.

Exactly, an extremely mild or slight concussion. He did not lose consciousness and didn't really seem wobbly as he walked to the bench with a towel to try and stop some minor mouth bleeding.

Concussions are graded medically on a scale of 1 (very mild) thru 5 (knocked out cold to include bleeding of brain tissue). I once suffered a level 1 and then 13 months later a terrible level 4 that included a couple broken facial bones. I learned that the various levels of concussions are highly noteworthy in treatment as are repeat incidents and time lines between any brain injury. As bad as my level 4 concussion was, it was worse because I'd had another one only about a year earlier. If the first one had been above level 1 it would have portended potentially much worse after second one. Later during some therapy I went through I learned that I'd likely suffered one or two other concussions at various times in my life, but because they were so slight I simply didn't realize it at the time.

Hopefully, this is the first concussion Tyreke's ever experienced and luckily it's quite mild. Here's wishing he never suffers another one or one that's above the minor Level 1.

 

[Tetsujin]

You're forgetting about Dennis Rodman.

If that's the case, the man was born with concussions.

 

[Section 101]

Exactly, an extremely mild or slight concussion. He did not lose consciousness and didn't really seem wobbly as he walked to the bench with a towel to try and stop some minor mouth bleeding.

Concussions are graded medically on a scale of 1 (very mild) thru 5 (knocked out cold to include bleeding of brain tissue). I once suffered a level 1 and then 13 months later a terrible level 4 that included a couple broken facial bones. I learned that the various levels of concussions are highly noteworthy in treatment as are repeat incidents and time lines between any brain injury. As bad as my level 4 concussion was, it was worse because I'd had another one only about a year earlier. If the first one had been above level 1 it would have portended potentially much worse after second one. Later during some therapy I went through I learned that I'd likely suffered one or two other concussions at various times in my life, but because they were so slight I simply didn't realize it at the time.

Hopefully, this is the first concussion Tyreke's ever experienced and luckily it's quite mild. Here's wishing he never suffers another one or one that's above the minor Level 1.

I never said there wasn't a degree. But what do you think about having 2 level 1's in a one week period?

 

[PurpleHaze]

I never said there wasn't a degree. But what do you think about having 2 level 1's in a one week period?

As more recent, thorough medical studies are concluding, concussions suffered in back-to-back incidents over a few months, few weeks (much less a few days), pose some serious health risks - like early onset Dementia, Parkinsons, etc. But a level 1 incident is not nearly as big a risk even if suffered in back-to-back fashion as having one or more of the higher levels mixed in. For example, most NFL players that voluntarily retire or are forced from the game due to concussion had multiple incidents over a season or couple of seasons and they were not usually mild Level 1's that ended their career - but Level 2-3. Try Googling the issue if really interested in understanding its complexities.

http://tbi.unl.edu/savedTBI/sports/grades.html (this link describes 3 common levels of concussion - others list up to 5 with highest levels generally in the realm of TBI, coma, etc.)

 

[ForlornKing]

I don't know if this helps the conversation at all, but I was with Tyreke and his brothers in the back and we had to keep explaining what had happened to him over and over again. He would say "What Happened?????" and then we showed him on the screen and then a few moments later he'd ask the same question. He seemed fine though when he got back to his house....

 

[xrzn]

I don't know if this helps the conversation at all, but I was with Tyreke and his brothers in the back and we had to keep explaining what had happened to him over and over again. He would say "What Happened?????" and then we showed him on the screen and then a few moments later he'd ask the same question. He seemed fine though when he got back to his house....

Care to elaborate more? Why were you "in the back?"

 

[Kingfanpaul]

I've had 3 concussions within like 10 years time and now my memory is terrible. I first had a mild one, then the second one was pretty bad as I got elbowed right between the eyes. The second one I was totally unware of what was going on really. The kept me overnight in the hospital and I was a bit slow in the head for a couple months. Then the third one was from a car accident and it was fairly mild too. But after having all that head pounding my memory is shot.