Coach Whis? (merged)

Would You Accept Whisenant as the New Coach of the Sacramento Kings

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Mr. S£im Citrus said:
This is simply an uninformed opinion (I'll be polite and not call it outright ignorant): The difference in the quality of players at 1-7 and 8-12 on most rosters in the WNBA is proportional to that of the NBA. The Monarchs are able to sustain their White Line defense because they have tremendous depth that is not universal among WNBA teams, which is why they finished with the second-best record during the regular season, and steamrolled teams in the playoffs. For most teams in the WNBA, just like in the NBA, the quality of players 8-12 falls *way* off from 1-7; teams like the Monarchs and the Sun are the exception rather than the rule.
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Granted the Monarchs have the depth that other teams don't have and that is an advantage. The question is, would his system work in the NBA? He wouldn't bring anything that hasn't already been tried and failed. For example, Rick Pitino brought a similar defensive approach to the Knicks when he got hired there. It didn't work then and it won't work again. That style of defense doesn't fit with the brutal NBA schedule. With the salary cap issues, it's very unlikely that the Kings can afford a 12 deep roster capable of competing night to night. Even if you did, you have to have total buy in from the core group that they should sacrifice minutes for the system. That's a pretty tough sell to the average NBA player with a big ego. In any case, coach Whiz would come into this needing time to adjust to the NBA. That's like asking the team to take a step back while he finds his way. That includes making trades to find guys to fit his style. I don't think the Kings are in the mode to rebuild. They need someone who can come in and get more out of the roster than Adelman did. And that's not going to be easy at all.
 
Well Hubie Brown did it with the Grizz, and it worked fairly well... except Bonz didn't like it...

I'm not sure if it's a good example, but if you look at the great defensive teams in the NBA - Spurs, Pistons, Clips - they only play 8 deep or so... and when Spurs do play 9-10 deep, they sacrifice defense for offense..

Fact of the matter is, the kings have a tremendous offensive upside, and it is not all defense that a coach should bring... I think the Kings need a coach able to utilize Kings' offensive prowness while establishing defensive accountability. I think that's the reason RA got canned..
 
I think the biggest question of all is would the players have a lack of respect for him? It's sad to say but I think a whole lot of NBA players would have a problem with a WNBA coach coming in to take over. I like Wiz and the Monarchs, he can def coach, but would the players even let him?
 
wow22 said:
Well Hubie Brown did it with the Grizz, and it worked fairly well... except Bonz didn't like it...

I'm not sure if it's a good example, but if you look at the great defensive teams in the NBA - Spurs, Pistons, Clips - they only play 8 deep or so... and when Spurs do play 9-10 deep, they sacrifice defense for offense..
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Hubie did a pretty decent job at getting his guys to try it his way. But they really didn't have a whole lot of success. The Grizz had the best defensive numbers in the league this year and got bounced out of the playoffs in round 1 with little trouble.

The Spurs and Pistons really don't pressure the ball the way that Pitino tried do with his system. They don't expend the same amount of energy as a result. So they can get away with playing 8 guys.

Whiz would have to adjust his system to fit the NBA. It's not a knock on him. The best college coaches in the country have found the step up to the NBA more challenging than they had expected. At least Whiz doesn't have the ego that a Pitino has and wouldn't run back after finding the going rough. But that gets back to my point, is it worth the time waiting for him to get to the point where he knows the league? Is it better to choose a coach that doesn't need to go through that?
 
Does coach Whiz press the ball full court? The part of the monarchs game I saw on Saturday they didn't, they picked up at half court. The Phoenix team was pressing full court but not the Monarchs. I haven't seen a lot of Coach Whiz but I didn't he ran anything close to how Pitino ran his full court presses.
 
UPDATE: Grant Napier Says That John Whisnant is the Leading Candidate

For what it is worth, they just spent the last 15 minutes talking about this on 1140 Sportsline and Napier said that Whisnant is at the top of the list and right now the leading candidate as the next coach of the Kings.
 
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I'm going to merge this into the other Coach Whis thread, PR, so the discussion doesn't just get more segmented...
 
Oh ****. This is going to be a damn disaster. First off that's rude as hell to the monarchs-they're jacking their coach! Second he's never coached in the NBA. He has no experience in the NBA. Third this means we're not getting Mario Elie which sucks as well! I bet this is another Maloof move:mad:
 
Would I accept him? Probably since I'm not going to quit being a Kings fan. Do I like the idea? Not particularly. So I voted "no" because the question doesn't seem to fit.

Maybe "Do you like the idea" would have been better?

Just my two cents, as usual...
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I would accept him. I would not like it, however. Not only would the Monarchs lose the COY in the WNBA, and the coach that took them to their first title (with a chance to repeat) but (something no one has mentioned, that I have noticed)...they would be losing their GM as well.
 
Yeah, on KHTK (I forgot what show it was), they said that Whis is very likely to get it because he will know how to impress the Maloofs more than any other candidate.

I personally don't think it would work, at least in the first year, because the Kings don't have the team that he will want unless major moves are made, but I'd give him a chance. Respect from the players is probably the most important thing for him. It's not like the Monarchs immediately respected him when he first went to the WNBA. Yolanda Griffith thought he was a nutcase when he proposed his white line defense.
 
Accept? Yes - if he is chosen to be the coach, he gets a clean slate like everyone else coming here. The guy can coach, you know.

Like? No - I don't think it's fair to the Monarchs to do this, if indeed he does get the position.
 
^^And that's exactly the problem with this poll. It's not about accepting him, because I think most Kings fans will at least give him a chance.
 
I think that the PR department is proclaiming Coach Whis to be the leading candidate so as not to embarrass or hurt the other candidates. I mean, if word was that Elie was the top candidate, PJ might not feel like interviewing anymore. This way, everyone thinks that Whis should have the inside track, aren't offended by it, and also feel that they can beat out a WNBA coach. I think Whis is nothing more than a stalking horse. Seriously, does he really think he can accept the Kings job and continue to coach the Monarchs? That's just ridiculous.
 
The Maloofs don't care about discouraging people, offending people, or hurting their feelings-they proved that when they handled the firing of Adelman poorly. The last couple of days there was no leading candidate. IMO they're saying this to see how people will react when they hire Whisenant.
 
BMiller52 said:
The Maloofs don't care about discouraging people, offending people, or hurting their feelings-they proved that when they handled the firing of Adelman poorly. The last couple of days there was no leading candidate. IMO they're saying this to see how people will react when they hire Whisenant.
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They care if they want to be able to interview all their top candidates. If Larry Brown was know as the top candidate, would anyone even come in and interview? I also think they are waiting for Iavaroni to be available. As long as people think that Whiz is the top candidate, the Maloofs have all the time in the world. As soon as another guy like PJ or Elie gains a head of steam, the Maloofs start losing options.
 
Terrible idea if this is True of whiz being the next coach of the Team or lead Candidate for the Job. The kings seem to be going backwards back to the jerry reynolds days, Even further when they held Tryouts for the Team for people off the street to make the sqaud when they were in kansas in the mid seventies going through their Franchise issues.


1st of all the NBA is no where the same as the WNBA which everybody knows this already. The Defensive schemes with the monarchs will not work in the NBA period. The way teams play the pick n roll specificly the mavericks and suns, This Defense would be suicidal in running. You need the personel for one and then the way the mavericks and suns play offense you can't afford to switch, Trap and help the way you do with the white line Defense, which depends alot on help and qucik defensive Rotations.



The 2 guard lineup of the mavs exposed this help Team Defensive philopsophy against the spurs. As a result of the help and constant rotations the spurs gave up alot of open looks and the force baseline concepts became inept.


Big adjustement if he takes over, 82 games, the respect of the players in heated situations.In their minds he is a WNBA coach,How will adversity be handled,These guys make millions of dollars. Coach Wiz has no NBA experience, The game is a thousand times faster and quicker,Do we really want a NBA championship or are we Rebuilding.
 
If Whiz is the leading candidate where is Geoff petrie, Is whiz geoff petries leading candidate. Whiz is GM whith the monarchs also the head coach and friends with the maloofs, Where is Petrie's executive of the year power.
 
It seems to me in my opinion that this energy flowing at the present time has nothing to do with Basketball. Where is the rational experienced basketball mind behind these matters. This has to be a joke
 
shaka zulu said:
If Whiz is the leading candidate where is Geoff petrie, Is whiz geoff petries leading candidate. Whiz is GM whith the monarchs also the head coach and friends with the maloofs, Where is Petrie's executive of the year power.
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That's a very good - and somewhat frightening - question.
 
Don't feel like the lone stranger. There's a lot of that going on right now.
 
Warhawk said:
Bobby always plays summer ball in Sacramento, IIRC. He likes it here. :D
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Bobby still has his house here, and lives here in the offseason. I think he could be calling Sacramento his home again VERY soon, for some reason.
 
VF21 said:
That's a very good - and somewhat frightening - question.
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I've been wondering that for about the past year...ever since the trade with Memphis to get Bonzi last summer, I have wondered who's REALLY running this team since then. Who's got inertia in their favor these days??
 
The Maloofs made it clear early on THEY would be selecting the coach. They have said repeatedly they will make the choice and then step back and let Petrie and the new coach do their jobs.

It is their right to do exactly that. And Geoff Petrie has tens of millions of reasons NOT to cut off his nose to spite his face.
 
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