City, county call off arena talks with the Kings

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http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/story/14273263p-15083369c.html


City, county call off arena talks with the Kings

Funding measure will not make November ballot

By Mary Lynne Vellinga and Terri Hardy -- Bee Staff Writers

Published 5:26 pm PDT Thursday, June 29, 2006 Negotiations have been called off for a new Kings arena in Sacramento's downtown railyards.

After 40 days of marathon talks but little progress, negotiations on building a new Sacramento sports arena have been suspended. Reeling from skyrocketing construction costs and unable to reach consensus on even the most basic deal points in time to a plan before voters in November, representatives from the city, county and the Sacramento Kings said Thursday they had agreed to end talks indefinitely.
"It is really disappointing," Sacramento Vice Mayor Rob Fong said of the failure to come up with a financing package. "Forty days ago, there was a real sense of optimism on both sides."

The group had aimed to win voter approval of quarter cent increase in the Sacramento County sales tax. The money would have helped fund a replacement for Arco Arena along with other community projects for cities in the county. But the two sides failed to reach an agreement on a host of complicated issues that included such fundamental items as the cost of a new arena and how much the Maloofs, owners of the Kings, would pay.
They did agree that a replacement for Arco should go in the downtown railyard, which is targeted for widescale development.

City and county representatives wouldn't reveal the kind of numbers that were being discussed, but said they couldn't come up with a deal that they could in good conscience recommend to voters.

"We're not going to just take any deal; it has to be a good deal," said Sacramento County Economic Development Director Paul Hahn.

Representatives from both sides stressed that the talks with the Maloofs did not end in acrimony - as some previously have - and made more progress than ever before. They also said they hoped to return to the negotiating table.

John Thomas, president of Maloof Sports and Entertainment, said he is disappointed but added "no one is giving up." "Experience shows that where this has been done, it's not unusual to have things happen like this," Thomas said. "Start and stop, start and stop; that’s the norm."

The obstacles to reaching an agreement, however, are too large to surmount at the moment.Former state Assemblyman Darrell Steinberg, who represented the Maloofs at the negotiating table, said construction costs were a huge hurdle.

"If you're going to cast blame anywhere, one word: inflation," he said. "This has been a topic of debate and discussion in our community for four or five years, and throughout that time period the cost increases for materials have gone up astronomically."

The decision to stop talking means a public-private arena financing deal is likely off the table at least until June 2008, the earliest time it could be placed on the ballot after this November. Most types of public financing would require voter approval.
 

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Look at the last sentence again. It means that a "public-private arena financing deal is off the table" ... at least for now.

There are still options available for private funding, and I sincerely hope the Maloofs are exploring all of them.

THIS is the part that stunned me:

They did agree that a replacement for Arco should go in the downtown railyard, which is targeted for widescale development.
I think that's really misleading. The group may have been pushing for the downtown railyard project, but I don't think anyone on the KINGS side of the table has ever said they think that's the best locale...

The other counties surrounding Sacramento really need to start looking at this. In addition, I still think there's merit to the idea of working with one of the tribal councils in the area.

I do think they may actually be able to get back to discussions without the pressure of an impeding ballot deadline. I am not going to give up hope at this point...

Some people will be quick to jump on the "Oh, now they're going to move" bandwagon, almost as though they're hoping for the team to leave.

It's way too early to make that assumption IMHO. This is another setback, but there are still alternatives to be explored. All this did, in essence, was stop them from hurrying to get a proposal on the ballot in November.

Granted, it's not especially good news but the sky isn't falling...yet.
 
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Thanks VF. Is it possible the Maloofs could get some investors? I don't know much about this stuff but this definitely doesn't seem like a good thing. Doesn't the lease on Arco run out in 2007? Well I guess we will find out how badly the Maloofs want to stay in Northern California. I wish we could atleast put a new arena right outside of Sacramento, kind of like how Detroit has the pallace of Auburn Hills.
 

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Is it possible they can get investors? Yes. There are a lot of things that are possible. It's even possible that the same group will sit down again - without the pressure of the upcoming ballot - and find a way to put together a package that will be much more palatable.

I don't know anything about Arco's lease running out.

The problem with this all along, IMHO, has been people pointing fingers at the Maloofs as though it's up to them to come up with a way to get a new facility for Sacramento. That's the biggest argument. And the Bee bears a lot of responsibility for some pretty outrageous comments over time.

Is this good news? Of course not. Is it going to force the Maloofs into looking elsewhere? I honestly don't know BUT I do know that you just don't pick up a successful franchise and move it without exhausting every other possible solution. Sooner rather than later, however, the Maloofs are going to have to draw a line in the sand. They are going to have to make an earnest proposal and say, "This is it. We will do this much." And then they're going to have to wait to see what the city/county response will be. That time hasn't come yet, but it will...

What is really needed is someone with a little more vision. It is truly times like this when the absence of Joe Serna is most obvious. HE would have found a way to get something going. The fact that Heather Fargo is even allowed to use the same title - Mayor - that Joe Serna used is a disgrace, as is she.
 
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I echo what VF said,

I just heard the Channel 3 story and it doesn't seem all that bad. They are already too late to get a tax on the NOV ballet so they agreed to take a step away for a bit. The 3 news story was not as grim as the print article above.

I forgot the guy but they interviewed him... .Starts with an S he is one of the guys on the Maloofs side. He just said all sides still want a new arena, that the cost continues to rise and they are trying to find the best way to go about financing it.

I am all for a delay too find the best tax / financing package out there.
 
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http://www.kcra.com/news/9450169/detail.html

SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- The latest deal to build a new arena in Sacramento may be in trouble, KCRA 3 has learned.

According to former Assemblyman Darrell Steinberg, who was hired by the Kings to help negotiate an arena deal with the city and county of Sacramento, the parties involved have agreed to take a timeout.

Steinberg would not say that the deal is dead, but he said that there are many challenges ahead.

One of the many issues facing the deal is that the cost of building an arena continues to go up, and as that happens, it makes it more difficult for the parties to reach an agreement.

Regular meetings have been held for the last month, but it was decided at Wednesday's meeting to suspend talks, Steinberg said.

Sacramento County Supervisor Roger Dickinson said there are several funding issues that must be dealt with, but that he is still optimistic that a deal can be worked out.

A recent study out of Sacramento State University shows public support is also an issue.

Just 27 percent of those polled recently said they believe the Kings need a new arena.
 

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Just 27 percent of those polled recently said they believe the Kings need a new arena.
And all of the politics aside -- that right there...that could be the end of the major league sports in Sacramento. If that's not dramatically upturned, the Kings WILL leave, and the only way to ever get another team in any sport to even think about coming years down the road will be to build a brand new arena anyway.
 
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The city actually is holding the deed to Arco Arena right now because of the loan that Jim Thomas got from the city 9 years ago. They have a 30 year sublease back to MS&E. They cannot terminate the sublease within the first 10 years of the lease unless they meet certain financial tests and repay the loan in full. Next year I believe is when the financial tests no longer apply. Which means they can terminate the sublease any time next summer. The collateral for this loan was the deed for Arco Arena valued at 50 million and a 20 million lien on the franchise. Remember a few years ago when the Kings made a big lump sum payment on the loan? It makes you wonder if they actually applied that towards the lien. So all the Kings would need to move is for them to pay off the debt balance. Or I wonder if they can default on the loan and let the city keep the deed to Arco. After all, what good is owning the arena if you are leaving town?
So if the city is left holding a building that has no major tennant and in need of replacing, how is that for a "good deal"?
 
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Is their any validity to this theory that I heard?

The Maloofs want to move The Kings to Vegas. Vegas wants the Kings. There is this gambling legality thing problem that is holding that up. They are awaiting the "trial" of next years All Stars Game to see if they can get around this "challenge".

I really don't pay enough attention, but it sounds reasonable, no? If so, they are not going to seriously invest in anything around here.
 
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Vegas just isn't realistic. You are highly unlikely to get all the casino owners to agree to take NBA betting off their books. They would be losing way too much money.

I'm not surprised by this. They had an incredibly tight timeframe to try and work out a very complex deal. Too bad people couldn't have started down this particular path sooner. But the arena gets mor expensive to build with with every month that passes. And I really think it would have been a mistake to put something on the ballot just to get it out there and have it fail in the execution. Plus I thing they really are going to need more lead time to sell the idea.

Yes, MS & E is ahead on paying off the debt to the city. And I can't believe anyone thinks the city is going to want to spend money to keep Arco going, if the Maloofs leave. Then it won't be a matter of replacing Arco, it'll be a matter of no arena, period.

What i just still don't get is that 73% of people think Arco is just fine. They must have never visited any other sports/entertainment facility or they'd know that beloved old Arco is really a dump.
 

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Is their any validity to this theory that I heard?

The Maloofs want to move The Kings to Vegas. Vegas wants the Kings. There is this gambling legality thing problem that is holding that up. They are awaiting the "trial" of next years All Stars Game to see if they can get around this "challenge".

I really don't pay enough attention, but it sounds reasonable, no? If so, they are not going to seriously invest in anything around here.
No, there is no validity to the theory, but people will continue to spout it.

The Maloofs would be competing with themselves if they moved the Kings to Las Vegas. Casino owners keep building bigger and better casinos so they can make more and more money off those who are wiling to come and gamble. They do not want their potential customers leaving their casinos to go spend hours at a basketball game. It would just be silly...

IF the Kings go anywhere, it will be to a market that will not put them in competition with another Maloof enterprise.
 
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Jim Crandell from fox 40 said in his opinion the situation is critical. He thinks the Kings will leave. Can't go to the voters till 2008, would be 2011 before an arena could be finished. Said why would the Maloofs stick around when they have nothing guaranteed.
 

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Jim Crandell has turned into some kind of alarmist, and I'm not sure why. In depth reports on both News10 and channel 3 made it clear that the main concern right now is rising construction costs. They've said all parties concerned are serious about negotiating some kind of deal that can get the job done.

I'm not about to go screaming into the street in panic quite yet. There are some pretty savvy minds working on this, including Darrel Steinberg, Roger Dickinson, Jimmy Yee, and others. If, at the very end, they weren't able to find a way to get it done, it won't be because they've simply thrown up their hands and given up - despite what Crandell seems to be implying.

Time and time again, the Maloofs have done everything they could to convince people they do NOT want to move the team. And I believe them. They have a fantastic fan base here, and that's not something you just toss out with yesterday's newspapers.

Yes, it's getting more critical but it is not YET to the point where anyone should be saying "The Kings will leave."

Just my two cents, of course...
 
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Whats odd is how the different news outlets spin this to "create" more drama then actually just reporting what is happening.

Channel 3 and News 10 appear to have done the best job by reporting the facts without screaming an end to the Kings in Sacramento.

This is going to come down to the last second. When it really is critical we will know.
 
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And all of the politics aside -- that right there...that could be the end of the major league sports in Sacramento. If that's not dramatically upturned, the Kings WILL leave, and the only way to ever get another team in any sport to even think about coming years down the road will be to build a brand new arena anyway.
The 27 percent figure is directly due to the poor job the Maloofs have done selling the need for a new arena. The impression is that Arco is perfectly fine and that the Maloofs want a new building strictly to make more money. Billionaires aren't going to get a lot of sympathy from anyone. If Arco really needs replacment, people need to see what's going on with it and why.

Saying "the facility is outdated" is meaningless. Show people pictures of the surface coming off of a leaking roof, of cracks in the outside of the building, of the peeling foam on the inside of the ceiling, of rusty bolts in the roof structure. If the thing needs to be replaced, tell people WHY - not just that it does.

For the record, I predicted about a year ago that the team would move after the 2006-2007 season. I think chances are better than not that it will happen either then or after the following season. I don't see the Maloofs waiting until 2011 for a new arena.
 
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The problem with this all along, IMHO, has been people pointing fingers at the Maloofs as though it's up to them to come up with a way to get a new facility for Sacramento. That's the biggest argument. And the Bee bears a lot of responsibility for some pretty outrageous comments over time.

AMEN!!!
 
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Well there goes the neighborhood. After having some positive head way foiled yet again. I would be SO discouraged at this point if I was the Maloofs, I'd throw up my hands, say F it, and start calling cities with new Arenas.

I mean if they leave the Maloofs will take the hit, but you know what they've tried time and time again. They want to keep it here. They want to keep the team here as bad as we want them to keep the team here, but no one is giving them ANY help. I'll say it now. Goodbye Kings. It'll be nice still having you in Sacramento until you move, however short of a time that may be.
 
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The 27 percent figure is directly due to the poor job the Maloofs have done selling the need for a new arena. The impression is that Arco is perfectly fine and that the Maloofs want a new building strictly to make more money. Billionaires aren't going to get a lot of sympathy from anyone. If Arco really needs replacment, people need to see what's going on with it and why.

Saying "the facility is outdated" is meaningless. Show people pictures of the surface coming off of a leaking roof, of cracks in the outside of the building, of the peeling foam on the inside of the ceiling, of rusty bolts in the roof structure. If the thing needs to be replaced, tell people WHY - not just that it does.

For the record, I predicted about a year ago that the team would move after the 2006-2007 season. I think chances are better than not that it will happen either then or after the following season. I don't see the Maloofs waiting until 2011 for a new arena.
It is not up to the Maloofs except as a part of the solution. They should remain in the background of this. This is up to the citizens and their leaders, in the main. When owners are at the forefront of a push for a new arena, it seems to alienate the citizenry, whereever it happens.

If people don't understand the condition of Arco it's because they are sticking their heads in the sand and hoping the problem will go away. They must never listen to radio, watch TV or read the papers, check out city council information or any or myriad other sources where they could access more than one independent consultant study saying Arco needs to be replaced. Well, I guess it doesn't have to be replaced, if you don't care about having a place for all of the events that go on there. And 75% of the events are not Kings/Monarchs basketball.
 
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Well there goes the neighborhood. After having some positive head way foiled yet again. I would be SO discouraged at this point if I was the Maloofs, I'd throw up my hands, say F it, and start calling cities with new Arenas.

I mean if they leave the Maloofs will take the hit, but you know what they've tried time and time again. They want to keep it here. They want to keep the team here as bad as we want them to keep the team here, but no one is giving them ANY help. I'll say it now. Goodbye Kings. It'll be nice still having you in Sacramento until you move, however short of a time that may be.
Okay...

I think you've missed the positive parts of this whole thing. The groups involved are actually more positive now than they've been in a long time. There are still hurdles to overcome, but they're seeming to come closer in terms of a mutual goal.

This article was misleading, and - as usual for how the Bee seems to want to cover it - makes it sound like the sky is much closer to falling than it actually is.

Yes, things are still very serious and no deal is in place. But simply "breaking off" talks right before the 4th of July isn't a death knell. They realized - and wisely - they weren't going to get a proposition well enough defined for the fall ballot so they backed off from that part of the discussions.

There will come a point in time where the Maloofs might actually entertain thoughts of moving more than thoughts of staying, but that time hasn't come yet.

I'm really about ready to cancel my subscription to the Sacramento Bee. Their whole attitude is adversarial for the most part. Instead of simply presenting the facts, they have to put themselves in the middle of the story. They're taking sides and that sucks - both for all of us and for them as the supposed best source of reliable information.
 
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I cancelled my subscription a few years ago. They have had integrity problems too often for my taste. While they did let Diana Griego-Erwin go for falsifying articles, they have only given Graswich a slap on the hand for his transgressions as a sports writer. 1140 is just as bad for letting that idiot on the radio every morning. And to top it off, 1140 hired two morons from the bay area, Krueg and Towny. Those genius' just spewed out a bunch of incorrect info about Arco and got slapped by the first caller. If you're going to hire out of town guys to host a Sacramento radio show, make sure they actually know what the heck they are talking about.
 

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I've subscribed to the Bee for over 35 years. I like being able to keep the ties to Sacramento but I have to admit it's getting tougher and tougher to show any kind of financial support to a newspaper that has so little respect for real journalism.

It's the home-town paper. One would thing they'd be interested in what's best for the home town. Instead, I get the feeling a lot of times they're more interested in trying for some award for investigative reporting, even when they're trying to create some kind of situation to investigate.

I honestly believe if you walk by C.K. McClatchy's grave you can detect the sounds of something spinning...
 
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I have to admit, I think the Bee as a paper has gone downhill. Part of the problem is being a one-paper town. I hated the Union, but I think it kept the Bee on their toes. Also, as the only paper, they are trying to be everything to everyone to keep readers. As a result, they are much less likely to take an unpopular stance or try to hard to avoid saying something they think the majority won't like. And then you are guessing what will sell to readers instead of just reporting what is.