Cavs @ Wiz (Game 3)
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KevinMartin'sShotDoctor
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Those last two drives by Lebron were amazing, and Arenas' miss was heartbreaking. What bothered me was that the refs gave the road team momentum by calling an iffy foul on a collision for a loose ball. Marshall tied the game with the free throws from that foul, and the Cavs were rolling.
Bballkingsrock
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Lebron is a TOUGH guyand now can be CLUCTH. A great player that derserves a chmapionship one day.
he went left was cut off, thn shuffled his pivot foot to get a better angle at the basket for the lay up. btu seriously how many times do you think Jordan got away with something similar.
Sac.Kings
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LBJ traveled and there is no way to deny that. They were impressive shots, but should not have counted as he clearly traveled. The Wizards were cheated out of a victory. All this does is increase his already over-inflated ego and make him think that he truly is the best. During a knicks -Cavs game when it went down to the wire, he said to one of his teamates "Its over" and then they lost because Larry Hughes missed the three at the buzzer. He is an incredible player, but he should not get any special treatment. Traveling is traveling any way you spin it.
He got fouled by Daniels before he made the traveling-movement, and then got fouled again by Ruffin. Either way, both calls were missed. On the 2nd to last one, I'd say it can either be a travel or that he lost the ball and got it back. Kinda tough to say.
LeBron is going to get special treatment sometimes, that's just a given. Whether anyone likes it or not.
LeBron is going to get special treatment sometimes, that's just a given. Whether anyone likes it or not.
What was I doing when it became in vogue to hate LeBron James?
wow.
I just cannot believe how much some people want to micromanage a basketball game.
"The replay clearly showed...blah, blah, blah..."
The game isn't about making sure every single ticky-tac foul is called over and above anything else.
The object of the game is to best your opponent and to do so within the structure of the rules. There are, in my opinion, too many rules anyway. If you ever get a chance, read the original concept designed by Dr. James Naismith. It was pure and simple, and people enjoyed the game in the spirit in which it was intended.
What's happened is that so many players over the years have tried to get an edge by skirting a rule that more and more rules have had to be instituted. There wasn't originally a rule about hitting another player in the throat because no one would have intentionally done it.
The game of basketball has gone from being one of artistry and execution to one of way too much contact and oneupmanship and, in the 80s, rampant thuggery. The current rules are trying to find a path in the middle. Keep the original flavor of the sport but acknowledge that today's players are bigger, tougher and in some cases much less restrained by the concept of what is and isn't "fair."
If officials whistled every single foul, the game would come to a terminal halt. They try to let play continue as much as possible.
Do they give favored calls sometimes? Sure. Do they swallow their whistles sometimes? Yep. Is that contrary to the original concept of the game? Nope.
And this idea that somehow LeBron James is suddenly someone to be reviled is just silly.
I just cannot believe how much some people want to micromanage a basketball game.
"The replay clearly showed...blah, blah, blah..."
The game isn't about making sure every single ticky-tac foul is called over and above anything else.
The object of the game is to best your opponent and to do so within the structure of the rules. There are, in my opinion, too many rules anyway. If you ever get a chance, read the original concept designed by Dr. James Naismith. It was pure and simple, and people enjoyed the game in the spirit in which it was intended.
What's happened is that so many players over the years have tried to get an edge by skirting a rule that more and more rules have had to be instituted. There wasn't originally a rule about hitting another player in the throat because no one would have intentionally done it.
The game of basketball has gone from being one of artistry and execution to one of way too much contact and oneupmanship and, in the 80s, rampant thuggery. The current rules are trying to find a path in the middle. Keep the original flavor of the sport but acknowledge that today's players are bigger, tougher and in some cases much less restrained by the concept of what is and isn't "fair."
If officials whistled every single foul, the game would come to a terminal halt. They try to let play continue as much as possible.
Do they give favored calls sometimes? Sure. Do they swallow their whistles sometimes? Yep. Is that contrary to the original concept of the game? Nope.
And this idea that somehow LeBron James is suddenly someone to be reviled is just silly.
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KevinMartin'sShotDoctor
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Sac.Kings said:
Maybe in Washington they'll chant, "Hey, hey, LBJ, how many steps will you take today?" I don't know that either drive was necessarily a travel that had to be called, though. There is some leniancy for anyone, not just the star players. I don't know about Daniels reaching in on the last drive, but I thought Ruffin did a good job going straight up, with James forcing the contact. Definitely not a charge on James, but I thought the no-call was fine, though they could have given James the And 1 (which he led the league in).
LeBron would probably be my vote for MVP. There's no way I'll root for him against Arenas, though. Now if he just could have made that last 3.
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West_Gunslinger16
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I saw the whole game (and also the so-called "stepping" incident). Daniels DID touched the ball. So, King James deserved another step. Non-believers, I recommend watching the whole freaking thing again. 
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West_Gunslinger16
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Sorry, but I can't just keep this to myself! I'm almost dying of laughter. A fellow Cavs fan referred Brendan Haywood as "BRENDA GAYWOOD"!!!!!! I dunno how but I keep laughing!
P.S. Yeah, yeah! I know! I'm shallow as a puddle!
P.S. Yeah, yeah! I know! I'm shallow as a puddle!
loopymitch
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Arenas is going to have an awesome game today, as well as Butler. They're winning this one! GO WIZS!!!!
GO WIZS!!!!VF21 said:
No problem with all of that. I agree that the refs need to play less of a role in the game, and the rules have gotten so extensive that it's hard to enjoy the game without a rule book in hand.
HOWEVER, the rules have always clearly stated that a player taking two steps without dribbling either has to pass or shoot. I can understand if LeBron had taken two steps, pump-faked and shot, but that's not what he did. He took two steps, pump-faked, then took two more steps through the defenders, and then shot. He took four steps after he stopped his dribble, and there's no angle that makes it look like it was a legal move.
And on top of that, a big part of playing defense is knowing what your opponent is allowed to do and what he is NOT allowed to do. So when your man stops his dribble, takes two steps and pump-fakes, you know that he can't take two more steps and go around you to shoot. Your assignment becomes simpler at that point. If the refs allow your man to take four steps, it's giving him an unfair advantage.
We're talking about a basic, fundamental element of the game. You can't take four steps and shoot. The refs did not do their job.
And I like LeBron James just as much as anyone else does, and I don't knock him for what happened at the end of that game. But it wasn't right, and the refs should be suspended or fined or something for what was an egregious mistake that wound up costing the Wizards a playoff game.
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On the first play, I can understand the travel not being called because the shot was blocked (even though the ball didn't hit the ground like it must, according to the rules). But there was no excuse for not making the second call.
Imagine the Kings lost a playoff game against the Lakers, and Kobe got away with a travel like that one.
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Bballkingsrock
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Everything was VERY true about the above post.
But IF I was on teh otehr side which I am not, Gilbert Arenas DID get a WIDE OPEN 3 for the win. So maybe Cavs were letting them have the game back.....
But IF I was on teh otehr side which I am not, Gilbert Arenas DID get a WIDE OPEN 3 for the win. So maybe Cavs were letting them have the game back.....
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