Carl Landry possibly staying in Sacramento?

[BradC79]

From: @samickAOL
Sent: Jan 25, 2011 3:18p

Carl Landry talks trade rumors, free agency & how - despite popular opinion - he wouldn't mind staying in Sacramento - http://aol.it/i1OKu0

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[jsmk23]

I'd love Landry back. He's a true professional and a hard worker. Defintely what we need here.

 

[hrdboild]

"At the end of the day, I want to be here and win, because the fans are unbelievable," he said. "If you can win here in Sacramento, it would be crazy. Even with us only winning nine games (at the time of the interview), there's never been a game where they booed us, where people stopped coming to the games (although they're second to last in the league in home attendance), where people stopped supporting us, on Twitter, on Facebook, on the radio. ... Who wouldn't want to play for a team where the fans support you when you're down? ... It's a great organization that has great upside. We just need to turn these losses into wins."

Aww. I can't quit you Carl Landry. [sniff]

 

[FaStRmAn]

Even though he has not shown to be a calming influence veteran, Landry has not been terrible this season. The Kings could do a lot worse at the 4. Thompson isn't looking like the long term answer, so the Kings need to have some consistent play at the 4. I think Thompson is better at the 5 anyway. Even though he is undersized, Landry plays hard. Not always smart but he does not lack effort. Landry is just a role player. He will never be a leader, but the Kings need role players too. I hope the Kings do keep Landry because they certainly won't get a great deal in the way of trade for Landry. He just doesn't have the game that would get the Kings a lot in return. Until the Kings can get someone better at the 4, they need to hold on to him until they do. I don't see anyone on the Kings that looks like they are going to improve and take over the 4 spot. Unless the Kings can improve that position by way of trade, Landry will have to do.

 

[PurpleHaze]

Carl Landry is the Kings second leading scorer for a second year in a row - although maybe Beno currently edges him. Check his offensive rebound numbers - excellent. There's no question he's a very valuable 6th man who can start when called on. He's also normally a good to very good FT shooter, hard worker, tough, and well liked by his teammates. Yes, he's undersized a bit at PF, yet still 6'9" 248lbs. Only 27 y.o. and with just 3 yrs. of NBA experience. I'm very happy we got him in the Kevin Martin trade and should not now easily discard him if there's a mutually acceptable way to retain his services. I think Carl gets too little respect by a lot of Kings fans - probably same ones who fell in love with the amazing Justin Williams?!

 

[gunks]

Justin Williams was a beast...Too good for the NBA.


Landry plays hard, yes, but he gets worked over on D, is a ball movement killing black hole, and is a very sub par rebounder at his position. We basically had a one dimensional player swap with Houstin.

He's a decent sixth man, but if we can get something of value for him (like a late first), I say do it. He's either gonna walk or get overpaid.

 

[Insomniacal Fan]

Sure keep him. After this year, he should be inexpensive.

 

[kingsboi]

I wouldn't mind keeping him, the problem is giving him too much money which I'm sure his agent will be asking.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Maybe the Portland announcers were just projecting some of their own frustrations but in one of the last two games this past week they were talking about Landry and how he had no value because of his knees. Also talking about what a terrible deal the Martin deal was completely ignoring how Martin and Evans could not play together.

Usually the Portland announcers are pretty good so some of that caught me by surprise.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

Good. I hope The Kings resign him. The bottom line is, he's the 3rd or 4th best player on the team and someone they should make a good effort to keep. They should have plenty of money to sign or trade for an impact player and still keep Carl. I know he's struggled some this year which has caused him to fall out of favor with many fans but he's been much better lately and I still think he would make a great 6th man for this team going forward.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

we need to get what we can for him now or i fear he will walk and we get nothing

 

[captain bill]

Maybe the Portland announcers were just projecting some of their own frustrations but in one of the last two games this past week they were talking about Landry and how he had no value because of his knees. Also talking about what a terrible deal the Martin deal was completely ignoring how Martin and Evans could not play together.

Usually the Portland announcers are pretty good so some of that caught me by surprise.

I've been missing K-Mart more and more lately. Sometimes I wonder what this team would look like had we kept him, seeing as we have such a horrendous lack of decent shooters and scorers. But that's besides the point...

Landry is clearly *not* a piece of the long term puzzle. Dalembert will be a solid 3rd man in the big rotation, hopefully Whiteside will develop more and take over the spot of the defensive-oriented center off the bench within the next few years.

If we are going to be a contender again, we need a new PF, plain and simple. JT is decent but can't cut it. We need a skilled big to play next to Cousins. We have a frontcourt that can show some promise, but is never getting past that (Landry is going to grow another 6 inches, and by now we've seen JT's ceiling).

Add to that the fact that Dalembert and Landry's contracts are both up at the end of the season and the Maloofs are flat broke, we're clearly not going to keep both. I like what Dally brings. Let Landry go, try to draft someone to replace him. This crap is clearly not working.

 

[Bricklayer]

Good. I hope The Kings resign him. The bottom line is, he's the 3rd or 4th best player on the team and someone they should make a good effort to keep. They should have plenty of money to sign or trade for an impact player and still keep Carl. I know he's struggled some this year which has caused him to fall out of favor with many fans but he's been much better lately and I still think he would make a great 6th man for this team going forward.

Quite to the contrary his free agent status is exactly why he very likely won't be back next year. We are going shopping, and are going to need all the cap room we can get to fill in wiht perfect pieces fitting specific needs. Runt forwards off the bench for teams stacked with big frontcourt players are not a need. Resigning Landry means you miss out on somebody else, in FA or I think just as likely using our capspace in trade, and its extremely hard to see Landry being the best fit you want to go spend money on out of all the guys available in trade or free agency. The arrival of DeMarcus has given us a major post threat going forward, we have other three 6'11" guys ont he roster, two of whom are big or potentially big defenders, which is what you need to start getting good, and both Evans and COusins figure to score more and drain more shots in the future. Throw in what I would guess/assume would be a move to stabilize the SF or "other guard" spoots with a legitimate 3rd weapon, and there jsut aren't going to be the shots or minutes going forward to justify spending that capspace on Carl.

 

[Bricklayer]

I've been missing K-Mart more and more lately. Sometimes I wonder what this team would look like had we kept him, seeing as we have such a horrendous lack of decent shooters and scorers. But that's besides the point...

Landry is clearly *not* a piece of the long term puzzle. Dalembert will be a solid 3rd man in the big rotation, hopefully Whiteside will develop more and take over the spot of the defensive-oriented center off the bench within the next few years.

If we are going to be a contender again, we need a new PF, plain and simple. JT is decent but can't cut it. We need a skilled big to play next to Cousins. We have a frontcourt that can show some promise, but is never getting past that (Landry is going to grow another 6 inches, and by now we've seen JT's ceiling).

Add to that the fact that Dalembert and Landry's contracts are both up at the end of the season and the Maloofs are flat broke, we're clearly not going to keep both. I like what Dally brings. Let Landry go, try to draft someone to replace him. This crap is clearly not working.

Probably a correction -- we don't need a "skilled" big next to Cousins so much as a dependable one. If Al Horford were availabel I'd say there's your ideal type guy. But obviously he's not and you have to take it down a notch. But the wingman to a major center would be a Charles Oakley (Ewing) or Udonis Haslem (Shaq) type, except that Cousins is never going to be a shotblocker which means it might be something more like a Larry Nance (Daugherty) or Dale/Antonio Davis (Smits) type -- a guy who can block shots, protect the middle, and take the other team's toughest offensive big man. Somehow get me a dependable night in night out 12 10 and 2 defensive minded guy there and I'd be ecstatic.

Here's the thing, if Landry leaves next year we could still have:

6'11" 280 lb Cousins
6'11" 250 lb Dalembert
6'11" 250 lb Thomspon
7'0" 240lb Whiteside

Right there as one of the biggest, best rebounding, and best shotblocking frontcourts in the league. Even if you don't find that perfect PF, if you go out and acquire a strong #3 option at SF (whihc we can afford to do) -- let's say 17ppg or so -- you've got your offense, and a rotation of bigs who control the glass and the middle, led by an emerging stud in Cousins, could be more than enough.

 

[D13]

We should be so lucky... CLandry, used correctly, and on a decent contract, would be a guy that would put a good team over the top. Believe it, there isn't a GM in the league that wouldn't take him on the right deal..... and use him accordingly. But., we got him fans... so if he is cool with staying, he can be a piece to our puzzle.

 

[ParniValjak]

Probably a correction -- we don't need a "skilled" big next to Cousins so much as a dependable one. If Al Horford were availabel I'd say there's your ideal type guy. But obviously he's not and you have to take it down a notch. But the wingman to a major center would be a Charles Oakley (Ewing) or Udonis Haslem (Shaq) type, except that Cousins is never going to be a shotblocker which means it might be something more like a Larry Nance (Daugherty) or Dale/Antonio Davis (Smits) type -- a guy who can block shots, protect the middle, and take the other team's toughest offensive big man. Somehow get me a dependable night in night out 12 10 and 2 defensive minded guy there and I'd be ecstatic.

Here's the thing, if Landry leaves next year we could still have:

6'11" 280 lb Cousins
6'11" 250 lb Dalembert
6'11" 250 lb Thomspon
7'0" 240lb Whiteside

Right there as one of the biggest, best rebounding, and best shotblocking frontcourts in the league. Even if you don't find that perfect PF, if you go out and acquire a strong #3 option at SF (whihc we can afford to do) -- let's say 17ppg or so -- you've got your offense, and a rotation of bigs who control the glass and the middle, led by an emerging stud in Cousins, could be more than enough.

If only Josh Smith was a couple of inches taller!

You are right though....Al Horford would be perfect (or a Noah type that can play the PF and C) but neither of these guys is available.

 

[FaStRmAn]

Quite to the contrary his free agent status is exactly why he very likely won't be back next year. We are going shopping, and are going to need all the cap room we can get to fill in wiht perfect pieces fitting specific needs. Runt forwards off the bench for teams stacked with big frontcourt players are not a need. Resigning Landry means you miss out on somebody else, in FA or I think just as likely using our capspace in trade, and its extremely hard to see Landry being the best fit you want to go spend money on out of all the guys available in trade or free agency. The arrival of DeMarcus has given us a major post threat going forward, we have other three 6'11" guys ont he roster, two of whom are big or potentially big defenders, which is what you need to start getting good, and both Evans and COusins figure to score more and drain more shots in the future. Throw in what I would guess/assume would be a move to stabilize the SF or "other guard" spoots with a legitimate 3rd weapon, and there jsut aren't going to be the shots or minutes going forward to justify spending that capspace on Carl.

The +/-on Martin would suggest that the Kings made a good trade when they jettisoned Martin for Landry. It was pathetic the other night when Kevin Martin had some 34 points scoring 14 more than anyone else in a Rocket uni, and yet the Rockets lost anyway because Martin's +/- was horrible! Landry brings toughness and interior scoring from the bench. Sure we wish he was 3-4 inches taller but Carl will do for now. He gives us a better chance to rebound and win than K-Mart ever did. Martin gives up as many if not more points than he scores due to his horrible defense. Martin dont guard NOBODY! Martin dont rebound. Martin is a very one dimensional player. Landry tries very hard, gets hustle points, etc. Sure Landry is one dimensional as well, but he brings interior scoring which is much more important in the Kings current roster. Sure the Kings could use another outside scoring threat, but not at the expense of 30-40 points a game by the other teams players that Martin wont guard. I have never seen Kevin Martin play NBA Defense. Landry is scrappy and gives an effort to play defense even if he isn't always successful because of his height. Landry isn't a great rebounder either but he at least makes an effort. Especially on the offensive glass.

 

[Sarunas]

Probably a correction -- we don't need a "skilled" big next to Cousins so much as a dependable one. If Al Horford were availabel I'd say there's your ideal type guy. But obviously he's not and you have to take it down a notch. But the wingman to a major center would be a Charles Oakley (Ewing) or Udonis Haslem (Shaq) type, except that Cousins is never going to be a shotblocker which means it might be something more like a Larry Nance (Daugherty) or Dale/Antonio Davis (Smits) type -- a guy who can block shots, protect the middle, and take the other team's toughest offensive big man. Somehow get me a dependable night in night out 12 10 and 2 defensive minded guy there and I'd be ecstatic.

Here's the thing, if Landry leaves next year we could still have:

6'11" 280 lb Cousins
6'11" 250 lb Dalembert
6'11" 250 lb Thomspon
7'0" 240lb Whiteside

Right there as one of the biggest, best rebounding, and best shotblocking frontcourts in the league. Even if you don't find that perfect PF, if you go out and acquire a strong #3 option at SF (whihc we can afford to do) -- let's say 17ppg or so -- you've got your offense, and a rotation of bigs who control the glass and the middle, led by an emerging stud in Cousins, could be more than enough.

This is why everyone was on board for making a deal for Favors. He'd be a perfect partner.

 

[Prince_XY]

I also would say "no" to Landry, however nice of a guy he is. We need to win. This is basketball and sports. To me, it should always be about winning.

Brick is right. The big men we have maybe more than enough. We actually have to get rid of Landry, so Westphal will be forced to try and give more playing time to the other big guys.

6'11" 280 lb Cousins
6'11" 250 lb Dalembert
6'11" 250 lb Thomspon
7'0" 240lb Whiteside.

If these guys would not be enough for our front court, I'd say we should also try Greene playing more minutes at PF. He is 6' 11" player who liked to play with more weight on his body and probably likes the idea of playing PF. He will surely be mobile enough to play against the faster PF in the league.

We have plenty of options at the frontline. Get rid of Landry and get someone better than Casspi and Greene to start at SF. We also need someone better than Udrih and Garcia (preferably smart veterans and ones who know how to win) to start at the guard position.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

I also would say "no" to Landry, however nice of a guy he is. We need to win. This is basketball and sports. To me, it should always be about winning.

Brick is right. The big men we have maybe more than enough. We actually have to get rid of Landry, so Westphal will be forced to try and give more playing time to the other big guys.

6'11" 280 lb Cousins
6'11" 250 lb Dalembert
6'11" 250 lb Thomspon
7'0" 240lb Whiteside.

Landry is better than Thompson or Dalembert. He's the perfect age too. Old enough to not be a "project" and young enough to have quite a few years left in his prime. Thompson is in his 3rd year and still hasn't shown any sign that he's going to ever put togher a consistent game. Dalembert is a good shot blocker (when he's not killing you with goaltends) but not good for much else.

 

[hrdboild]

I definitely agree that Landry is expendable for this team considering our other personnel and the need to establish a consistent rotation that's a good mix of offense and defense. However, I do have some reservations about moving forward with a big rotation of Cousins, Dalembert, Thompson, and Whiteside because the latter are not dependable post-scorers and Cousins, while he does learn fast, is probably still going to have foul problems next year and perhaps the next few years that limit his minutes. Already this season we look a little lost when we run our offense through Cousins for a stretch and then he gets pulled for foul trouble. We're going to need another post-scorer at some point -- probably at the PF position if Cousins/Dalembert are getting the center minutes -- or we'll be forced to continue watching Dalembert try and "create" offense in crunch time when Cousins is unavailable.

The ideal would be to let Landry go and upgrade at PF either with a free agent or with the draft. If that happens this year it looks like David West or Jared Sullinger are our best options but neither one looks like a defensive dynamo.

 

[jcassio]

Landry is too one-dimensional and has too many weaknesses to be a starting PF on a good team. He could be a key 6th man for a good team, though, if he's used correctly. The fact that he's not as effective this year as last year tells us that he may not have a high ceiling in terms of talent and ability that could make him better than he is right now.

 

[Bricklayer]

I definitely agree that Landry is expendable for this team considering our other personnel and the need to establish a consistent rotation that's a good mix of offense and defense. However, I do have some reservations about moving forward with a big rotation of Cousins, Dalembert, Thompson, and Whiteside because the latter are not dependable post-scorers and Cousins, while he does learn fast, is probably still going to have foul problems next year and perhaps the next few years that limit his minutes. Already this season we look a little lost when we run our offense through Cousins for a stretch and then he gets pulled for foul trouble. We're going to need another post-scorer at some point -- probably at the PF position if Cousins/Dalembert are getting the center minutes -- or we'll be forced to continue watching Dalembert try and "create" offense in crunch time when Cousins is unavailable.

The ideal would be to let Landry go and upgrade at PF either with a free agent or with the draft. If that happens this year it looks like David West or Jared Sullinger are our best options but neither one looks like a defensive dynamo.

There is no room for a West/Cousins frontcourt.

There is this gap betwen short term needs, and long term needs. And strictures placed on the situation by Cousins' abiities (high volume post scorer) and inabilities (interior defender). Carl Landry is essentially the very worst fit in the entire league alongside DeMArcus Cousins. His strength is Cousins strength. His weaknessses, Cousins weakneses. In a world where Cousins is young and still figuring it out, there is room for Landry to fill in the gaps when Cousins is in foul trouble, is immature, whatever. In a world where Cousins is what he will be, there is no real room for him.

 

[ParniValjak]

There is no room for a West/Cousins frontcourt.

There is this gap betwen short term needs, and long term needs. And strictures placed on the situation by Cousins' abiities (high volume post scorer) and inabilities (interior defender). Carl Landry is essentially the very worst fit inthe entire league alongside DeMArcus Cousins. His strength is Cousins strength. His weaknessses, Cousins weakneses. In a world where Cousins is young and still figuring it out, there is room for Lanry to fill in the gaps when he is in foul toruble, is immatire, whatever. Ina world where Cousins is what he will be, there is no real room for him.

Agree completely!!!

However, finding a PF that has the size (6'10 or taller), and is a genuine shot blocking, defensive presence is not that easy. I deally, that player would be a good rebounder and would have a good mid range face up jump shot to provide some spacing and play off Cousins.

In ideal world, Whiteside develops into that player that will give you 10-12 ppg / 8-10 rpg / 2-3bpg but thats YEARS and YEARS away (if in fact it ever happens).

Looking around the league, those defensive bigs generally tend to be Cs and not PFs. If the PF is that sort of defensive presence they are 2 way players and mostly hall of fame material (KG and TD).

If you look around Al Horford (not available) is a great fit in terms of size, defence and rebounding but is not a great shot blocker. Nene has size and low post D but not a great rebounder or a shot blocker. Josh Smith is a great shot blocker but is undersized. Noah is more of a C than a PF but that sort of player with a jump shot would be ideal. Traditionally your C is your shotblocker and a low post scorer but Cousins will never be a shot blocker/intimidator defensively.

Its really not that easy to find a good fit next to a great offensive low post C that is not a shot blocker. Thats why we all hope that Whiteside comes good (and hopefully fast) but if he doesn't, I feel the toughest position for us to fill going forward will be a starting PF next to Cousins.

 

[ESP47]

There is no room for a West/Cousins frontcourt.

There is this gap betwen short term needs, and long term needs. And strictures placed on the situation by Cousins' abiities (high volume post scorer) and inabilities (interior defender). Carl Landry is essentially the very worst fit in the entire league alongside DeMArcus Cousins. His strength is Cousins strength. His weaknessses, Cousins weakneses. In a world where Cousins is young and still figuring it out, there is room for Landry to fill in the gaps when Cousins is in foul trouble, is immature, whatever. In a world where Cousins is what he will be, there is no real room for him.

Yes, Cousins constant fouling is JT's worst enemy. When Dally comes in to replace cousins, Westphal usually puts Landry in with him, regardless of how JT is playing.