https://www.hoop-ball.com/nba-fanta...s-kings-ownership-ready-to-let-the-team-burn/
Now this, as opposed to Furillo and Voisin, actually seems to make sense.
Now this, as opposed to Furillo and Voisin, actually seems to make sense.
Bruski presents another side to the story
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Glenn
Hall of Famer
All of the article made sense.
Is there any way we can we find out exactly who is responsible for prolonging the George Karl nightmare? I want names. Cause I don't think Vivek even likes watching this team play anymore and he's only been majority owner for 2 years! That's got to be some kind of record.
The marathon continues...
The marathon continues...
Glenn
Hall of Famer
I have a theory that I just shared with VF21. I'll copy it.
Telemachus
Starter
I would recommend listening to the Kings Insiders podcast with James Ham and Bruski that they did this past Thursday. They had some good insight on Cousins suspension. When Ham asked what Bruski thought about a new Bee article suggesting that moving Karl to the front office, he laughed. He thought it must be an article form the Onion.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
And again, I wet my pants.
KingsFanSince85
All-Star
Odd that the rest of the team is done playing for Karl since the Boogie naysayers would have you believe that he's a great coach and that #15 is the only only problem.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
This needs to be remembered.
Telemachus
Starter
On the podcast, Bruski said that if you only read the Bee, you would think that Cousins is the biggest problem on the Kings. You would have no clue that Karl is doing the worst coaching job since Bruski started covering the Kings 9 years ago.
Dbeltz24
Bench
The only player that play's hard on this team is Acy, and I think he'd play hard for a coach that slept with his ex-wife. Dude just plays hard 24/7, hoping he'll continue to keep getting contracts.
And all other players have quit on Karl for poor substitution patterns, lack of control on of the team and a lack of interest in coaching anymore. Don't blame them, if I played I'd quit to if I felt the coach was mailing it in.
KingsFanSince85
All-Star
I've listened to about 25 minutes of it as I type this. I haven't heard much to disagree with. I think they are spot on. And I hope that James Ham is right that they will lose the coach, but keep the key players in place while going after a Ryan Anderson and drafting or using their draft pick as leverage to acquire a better 2-guard. That'd work for me.
KingsFanSince85
All-Star
I totally agree with this. I can't imagine Acy not playing hard.
I do think that WCS puts out a lot of effort too. That kid sprints up and down the floor a lot.
Dbeltz24
Bench
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
King Baller
All-Star
Hometown Boy Ryan Anderson and a defensive dog 3 point shooting 2 guard would be wonderful. Mostly this team needs an energetic Head Coach with a style known as a "Players Coach". A Coach who will stress defense, pound the ball inside to Cousins and Gay, Scheme stationary three point shooting and most of all have his players backs.
Chubbs
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Seriously, of all the things going on, moving Karl to the FO is the most ridiculous I've seen. One almost feels sorry for Ailene at times.
I think she's getting her info directly from Karl. And she is willing to go down with him I guess.
Livinthedream
All-Star
Yeah. I know as fans we only see the play on the court. We don't know what's going on in the locker room.
This article confirms what I've been saying that this is not the year to put too much stock on how any of the roster players are performing. We have talent enough to be at least a .500 team if we had an average engaged coach. However, the drama and unpredictable stuff behind the scenes affects people in different ways. Rondo and Cuz will always have the ball in their hands, so they'll get their numbers. But for the rest, scheme, pace, coaching.... all of that will significantly impact their performance and desire to play.
We say that Acy and WCS are evidence that players should just play hard. But what we have to realize that high motor and athleticism IS their game. They are hustle players and that is a skill set in itself. Enough of us have played sports to know that guy on the court or field that hustles and sprints and dives at everything. It's the skill that keeps him on the team. If I were to play like that, I'd be out of control. It's not an effort thing. It's a style of play. So it's not that they're trying harder or their above the fray. They have no other way to operate.
This season's failure was never about effort from the players. It was about coaching. Managing talent, style of play and personalities. Karl failed at all of it.
Section 101
All-Star
During the orlando game, omri was being subbed out after a few minutes and he was playing well. Lets just say he said a few not so kind words to himself about what he thought about being subbed. Yes the words were outloud and I could hear them clearly.
whozit
Starter
Would you mind repeating them? With censors of course.
SacKings384
Starter
I almost feel like Karl wants to be fired at this point. Collect his paycheck and retire. He's not getting a job anywhere else any time soon. He clearly doesn't want to be here. It's the only thing I can make sense of in terms of how he's coaching this team. It's like he's trying to lose.
Dbeltz24
Bench
The one thing I won't do, is say Karl doesn't have the back of his players. He may be feuding with one (DMC), but he's always been known to rush to their defense. Assuming most of you know, there are still bad days physically after having cancer, and at his age it looks like there is more bad days then good. While it may be said he isn't fit for coaching any longer (I'd agree and advise him to go spend as much time with family/friends), I'm not going to get upset with a coach after going what he went thru for not barking at the refs. His calmness now and his relaxed demeanor these days is not what this team needed and it's not a knock on Karl, it's just realizing he isn't able to do what he did in Seattle/Denver.
No, we don't.
Coaching is certainly a major problem. One of the top i'd say. But the difference between a good and bad coach is not 10+ wins, which you're suggesting. Probably only Pop would be able to take a 25 win team and turn it into a 45+ win team with the same roster and he's the greatest coach of all-time
We can play better, absolutely, but the roster construction has been a failure. Rondo-Rudy-Cuz are not complimentary talents and they take a majority of our possessions. Omri Casspi is far and away our best perimeter defender, which is a major problem. Koufos is regulated to 10-12 minutes because of his horrid fit with Cousins.
The whole perimeter needs an overhaul, and we basically have an off-season to do it if we want Cuz here long-term.
gunks
Hall of Famer
Interesting that this blurb seems to imply that it is the minority owners who want to fire Karl, and Vivek who wants to keep him.
I always wondered if Vivek is the reason Karl, a coach known for his adaptability, is so focused on pace even though the roster isn't really built for it. Vivek loves him some pace. This is the same Vivek who would text Malone awful coaching advice during games. The same Vivek who wanted to revolutionize basketball with 4 on 5 defense. So, Karl as puppet coach?
OTOH, it could just be that Karl is too old and tired to put effort into coaching these days. So he's sticking it out with his Nuggets strategies, rather than develop new ones for this team.
Either way, he needs to go....
I always wondered if Vivek is the reason Karl, a coach known for his adaptability, is so focused on pace even though the roster isn't really built for it. Vivek loves him some pace. This is the same Vivek who would text Malone awful coaching advice during games. The same Vivek who wanted to revolutionize basketball with 4 on 5 defense. So, Karl as puppet coach?
OTOH, it could just be that Karl is too old and tired to put effort into coaching these days. So he's sticking it out with his Nuggets strategies, rather than develop new ones for this team.
Either way, he needs to go....
KingsFanSince85
All-Star
It certainly makes some sense given Vivek's short tenure as owner.
I disagree with you, though, about Karl being adaptable. To me, one of the big reasons he's failed this year despite having a long track record of postseason appearances is because he's not capable of adapting.
Good coaches are able to adapt and play to the strengths of their personnel. IMO, Karl is only able to succeed playing his style with his type of players. If he has his players, he'll do well in the regular season and make the postseason. But his teams typically don't fare well beyond that because they usually lack elite level star players. When he has an elite level star player, his ego gets in the way. And his system doesn't quite play to the strengths of that player(s).
Most of all, Karl has never proven to know what to do with a true post threat. He certainly hasn't adapted his system to it. Shawn Kemp was the only real elite big he's coached and he was an up tempo player that wasn't known for his half court game.
There were several well-known members of this site that pointed all this out when his name was first being mentioned as a possible hire. And it's all played out as expected.
KingsFanSince85
All-Star
I disagree with him quite often. But I definitely see eye to eye with him regarding this situation.
It's pretty interesting that Bruski believes this to be the worst coaching job he's witnessed in 10 years. It certainly lends support those of us that have been chiding the pro-Karl crowd stating that they'd keep the coach over the star player.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
think you misread that
If you fit the narrative, you're good. If you don't, you lack critical thinking skills. Come on man! Get with the program. Media vs. Kings
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