Brown Out as Detroit Coach!

[G_M]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2110640


The Detroit Pistons and Larry Brown are parting ways, sources close to the situation told ESPN.com's Marc Stein.
The Pistons and Brown, sources said, moved closer Monday to a buyout of Brown's contract, which has three years left at $18 million.

It was not immediately known if the buyout arrangement would be finalized Monday, and it remains to be seen whether Brown -- plagued by serious bladder complications throughout much of last season after hip surgery -- intends to take some time away from coaching. He could immediately pursue a coaching job with the New York Knicks or a front-office job with the Cleveland Cavaliers.

Ex-Minnesota coach Flip Saunders is the leading candidate to replace Brown in Detroit after the Pistons came within one victory of winning back-to-back titles under the 64-year-old Brown.



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[VF21]

Wish I had a contract worth $18 million someone could buy out. I'd settle for 10 cents on the dollar.

 

[English]

Brown

is being released by the Pistons. Should the Maloofs openly court him?

espn.com is reporting the release.

 

[Evilmav2]

Should the Kings aquire another 6-9 tweener forward? Is that really what y'all need?

 

[NoBonus]

a free agent. Kings Interest?

I thought you were going to say a King! Phew.

 

[G_M]

a free agent. Kings Interest?

Have you seen him dance?

Wow....that was ugly! I'm generally opposed to having a player that can't dance any better than that.

 

[Bricklayer]

No.


But I do find it amusing, and utterly appropriate, that the guy is such a flake that he even finally got himself fired from a championship contender. Well done Larry!

 

[Andriod_KiNg]

Tell you the truth, i would like a shot at him, even though i think he is some what selfish, he is still a great coach, one that molds players very well, he can get people like Billups to play Defense to the point he is one of the best on him team (He was just a scoring option before Brown got there) .... if he had a chance to work with Bibby and Miller, they can easily step thier game up... but i think its a long shot he comes here...

 

[VF21]

There's already a thread about this in the NBA forum, so I'm going to merge the two...

 

[sloter]

Yes, I'd take him over Adelman. Any time.

 

[Bricklayer]

Tell you the truth, i would like a shot at him, even though i think he is some what selfish, he is still a great coach, one that molds players very well, he can get people like Billups to play Defense to the point he is one of the best on him team (He was just a scoring option before Brown got there) .... if he had a chance to work with Bibby and Miller, they can easily step thier game up... but i think its a long shot he comes here...

Um...Carlisle was the guy that taught that team how to play defense. That was why Larry wanted the position.

Now in an overall scheme -- Larry Brown is a very good coach. BUT, he's NOT a championship coach per se. That's never been what he excelled at. His teams almost NEVER dominate, and until he took Carlisle's handiwork, got a nice assist from Joe D with the Rasheed trade, it looked very much like he never would win a title. What he IS good at is providing a dose of organization, and in more recent years, defense, to a mediocre team to make them good. Before Detroit though, he'd never proved he could make a good team great. And as always, he tears **** up where ever he goes. Alienates players, GMs, owners. Gets wanderlust inside of 24 months. He's a problem personality. And now an old infirm one. Let him wander off into retirement, or come here to coach the Knicks for a year or two (sure he'll have a blast). The Kings aren't contenders. If they replace Rick with anyone it should be someone they hope/expect will be still be leading the team in 5 years. I can virtually guarantee you that's not Larry.

 

[NoBonus]

I think the "Coach Brown fired" thread and the "Mark Madsen" thread just got merged...

 

[VF21]

I think the "Coach Brown fired" thread and the "Mark Madsen" thread just got merged...

Nope. The Mark Madsen thread got merged with the Free Agent thread. The "Brown" thread from the Kings forum got merged with this thread in the NBA forum...

I have no idea what G_M is talking about in this thread.

 

[Ryle]

Yes, I'd take him over Adelman. Any time.

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I'm hoping either Joe or Gavin has made a little phone call to Brown's agent.

 

[Vlad]

While Rick is not the best coach in the game, I like him over Larry.

 

[LPKingsFan]

I'd hate for the Kings to try anything, as we'd only have him for 1-2 years max. But he did seem to bring out the best defense from Bibby I've seen.

 

[jacobdrj]

is being released by the Pistons. Should the Maloofs openly court him?

espn.com is reporting the release.

THANK GOODNESS!!! ITS OVER!!!

To answer your question. Yes. I don't hold Brown in ANY higher regard to Rick, but he would be DIFFERENT and a breath of FRESH AIR, because he excells where Rick falters, and vice versa (minus rotation and Time Outs, of course) Think of the possibility as a Gruden to Tampa kind of thing.

 

[captain bill]

I'd hate for the Kings to try anything, as we'd only have him for 1-2 years max. But he did seem to bring out the best defense from Bibby I've seen.

against some of his weakest opponents.

And Brown to Sac? Hardly. Even if we really wanted him, why in hell would he come here over Cleveland or New York? Not a chance.

 

[NoBonus]

Nope. The Mark Madsen thread got merged with the Free Agent thread. The "Brown" thread from the Kings forum got merged with this thread in the NBA forum...

I have no idea what G_M is talking about in this thread.

But my first comments in this thread are from the Madsen thread...

 

[Ryle]

I was reading on si.com that part of his buyout agreement would be that he not coach for another year.


That way we can flame out in the playoffs again with Adelman as our coach this year and then get Brown when he is healthy next year

 

[Yoda]

I was reading on si.com that part of his buyout agreement would be that he not coach for another year.


That way we can flame out in the playoffs again with Adelman as our coach this year and then get Brown when he is healthy next year

Flame out due to injuries and have local idiots blame RA for playing starters for 40 minutes. (which is exactly what Brown does)


If Brown is going to stick around here for a year and then disrupt a local room because he is so fickle, then I would never want him as the coach for this team.

 

[VF21]

But my first comments in this thread are from the Madsen thread...

Nope. You responded to English - as shown with the quote - at approximately the same time English edited his comment to what it appears to be now.

If you'll look at the end of the Free Agent thread, you'll see the only three comments that were in the Mark Madsen thread at the time it was merged. The Madsen thread was merged at 12:27... moderators can see footprints of things like that.

The "Brown" thread from the Kings forum was merged into Brown Out as Detroit Coach at 12:52.

 

[funkykingston]

That way we can flame out in the playoffs again with Adelman as our coach this year and then get Brown when he is healthy next year

Healthy? It isn't like Brown is a player having knee problems. He is a 64 (65 before the season begins) year old coach who had hip replacement and long term bladder problems. He never stayed more than a handful of years at any job when he was healthy, I can't imagine him signing on and staying in Sacramento long enough for anything good to happen.

Brown also suffers from Rick Pitino/Mike Shanahan disease, where Brown the GM sabotages Brown the coach. Anytime he has had any control over player personnel, he has shown the same impatience that he has as a coach. Look at the number and quality of moves he made when given input in Philadelphia. Not pretty. A team that made it to the finals was changed drastically, often on Brown's wishes.

Maybe Petrie could take the same role as Dumars and relegate Brown solely to coaching, but I think he'll want more power in his next job.

I thought part of Brown's conflict the last couple weeks was that the Brooklyn kid in him wanted to get his dream job, as coach of the Knicks. I always figured Brown would end up coaching the Knicks or the Tar Heels at the end of his career.

If it's true that the Pistons are demanding that he really not coach another team next season, then I guess he really hasn't been jonesing for the NYK job. If so, I guess he'll move back to Philly and do the Cleveland job from home. If so, I think the Cavs are making a big mistake. One that might well cost them LeBron James eventually.

 

[funkykingston]

English's original post was something along the lines of: "Mark Madsen is a free agent. Discuss."

He or she went back and changed it to "Brown is being released by the Pistons. Should the Maloofs openly court him?"

I was a little confused by the edit, as I was about to post about Madsen and then I clicked on the thread to see that the topic had changed.

In any event, I have no interest in Madsen or Brown being part of the Kings.

 

[AleksandarN]

Well there goes our chance to get Darko from Detriot.

 

[Folsom Al]

Aw .... Rasheed and Flip .... can't wait for the Honeymoon to end !!!

 

[Bricklayer]

Well there goes our chance to get Darko from Detriot.

Yep. Of course that may turn out to be a good thing. Nonetheless, as the summer teeters on I am mentally compiling a list of "could've/would've been Kings" among the young bigs around the league -- Nene, Brown, Darko etc. be intersting, and perhaps immensely frustrating, to see how they develop for their teams in the future.

 

[DeAtHrOw]

Well there goes our chance to get Darko from Detriot.

I disagree with that...this does not automatically mean Darko will get a significant increase in minutes and show his talent. There are still 2 Wallaces and McDyess ahead of him and you'd have to be a fool to play Darko ahead of Antonio. I predict he might see 7-8 minutes per game on regular basis.

 

[Bricklayer]

I disagree with that...this does not automatically mean Darko will get a significant increase in minutes and show his talent. There are still 2 Wallaces and McDyess ahead of him and you'd have to be a fool to play Darko ahead of Antonio. I predict he might see 7-8 minutes per game on regular basis.

May happen, but I do think the Pistons are almost sure to want to give Darko a chance now with the new coach. He might still be moved in the future, but not his offseason now. They may even mention it to whoever is coming in -- get the kid some minutes.

And the other thing is, if he fails again with the new coach you begin to get a little wary. Maybe its personal or shortsighted with Brown. But if darko doesn't show much better for a new coach either, you have to begin to wonder whether he really has it.

 

[DeAtHrOw]

May happen, but I do think the Pistons are almost sure to want to give Darko a chance now with the new coach. He might still be moved in the future, but not his offseason now. They may even mention it to whoever is coming in -- get the kid some minutes.

And the other thing is, if he fails again with the new coach you begin to get a little wary. Maybe its personal or shortsighted with Brown. But if darko doesn't show much better for a new coach either, you have to begin to wonder whether he really has it.

I guess you are right, one of Brown's downfalls probably was his reluctance to play Darko. But like you said, if Darko does get the minutes he playyer his butt off for the new coach.