Brockman's hustle impresses; Hawes' decision disappoints

I swear, some of you remind me of a pack of rabid jackals...

There is no requirement that Hawes has to be there. If he has family commitments, more power to him. I personally think Amick stretched the point a bit with his conclusion that Petrie was "none too thrilled." I read the quotes from Petrie and he sounded pretty matter-of-fact about the whole thing.

IMHO, people are way too quick to snap at the slightest hint of something and run with it as though it was solid gold. This isn't gold; this is a player who won't be at summer league. It's not that big a deal. But, of course, the Bee will make every effort to create some kind of major ****storm about it.
 
Not a big deal. Hawes is going to his 3rd year in the NBA. Age-wise he's young, but experience-wise he is already a vet which I believe merits him for some respect on his decision not to join the summer league.

And its not Westphal who's going to coach the team at SL, its Coachie (although, I still think a lot of our coaching staff will be there).

IMO he's also trying to give minutes to his buddy, Brockman to get more minutes and be able to sign with the team. I've heard Spencer was really pushing for Brock even before the draft.

As for the need of a big man, this could either easily put John Bryant on our final roster (if he thrives) or this will mean were gonna be getting a veteran big instead either from FA or trades.

And lastly, I can't wait for Donte to dominate again in the SL. It'll be a great confidence booster since his absence will most likely put Thompson on the C position more often.

Maybe were gonna start with a lineup of:

C - Thompson
PF- Brockman
SF - Greene
SG- MacNeal
PG - Evans
 
Well I am a little disappointed. If for no other reason than everyone thought he would be there until the very last second, because he had said he would be. Since we'll never know what the "family obligation" is, I guess I'll have to assume it was important enough.

I just think its too bad he couldn't have been there to start meshing with new players and a new coach. As to comments about Martin being there, it's usually only first, second or third year players that go and Hawes couldn't play his first year. This would only have been his second summer league, for all intents and purposes.
 
doesnt hawes have summer school or something too? if he has a family commitment then by all means lets give him that. as long as he works out and is in shape come training camp.

loving how jts new physique though
 
Rockmeister said:
No offense but just because some of us disagree with Hawes not participating in the summer league, you are accusing us of being a "pack of rabid jackals". Wow.
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1. No accusations were made.

2. It was a general comment.

I did not quote anyone in particular nor did I refer to anyone in particular. I meant no offense at any one person. If you choose to take some, that's on you.
 
VF21 said:
There is no requirement that Hawes has to be there. If he has family commitments, more power to him. I personally think Amick stretched the point a bit with his conclusion that Petrie was "none too thrilled." I read the quotes from Petrie and he sounded pretty matter-of-fact about the whole thing.

IMHO, people are way too quick to snap at the slightest hint of something and run with it as though it was solid gold. This isn't gold; this is a player who won't be at summer league. It's not that big a deal. But, of course, the Bee will make every effort to create some kind of major ****storm about it.
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I guess so...however, I think the general concern is this is not the first time Hawes' has done something like this (as others have pointed at in this thread.) Who knows what the exact reason, and it's probably none of our business, but it seems the quotes from Petrie would have been a little more defensive of Hawes if it was a legitimate/serious family matter. The concern is not really that that he's not going, but that it seems he backed out at the last second. I know it's dangerous to jump to conclusions, but it just seems one more example of Hawes being somewhat of an annoying presence to club offials. He's opinionated (...not necessarily a bad thing, but can rub people the wrong way), and seems to come off a bit self-centered. I really think the team loves the potential he has on the court, but are constantly swearing at him under their breath.
 
AriesMar27 said:
who cares.... as long as he is ready for preseason and doesnt get injured i am okay.... what will he gain by playing against other scrubs and players that wont make it in the nba?
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Pretty much what he said, remember kenyon martin pushing him in flight, no way he sits this out, there will be plenty of time for him and teammates to gel
 
HighTopKicks said:
By the way, your boss wants you to work the next 10 Saturdays. And, your not going to get paid anything extra for it.
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Do you really want to go there? He's a pro basketball player. It goes with the territory. No, he isn't 'required' to go , but the expectation when he was handed a multi-million dollar contract is that he'll be working out year round, constantly working to improve his game, etc. He's not working a 40 hour a week job for an hourly wage. There's plenty of us on a yearly salary that work heavy hours without any overtime pay. Unfortunately, it's the nature of the profession one choses.
 
TaxMan said:
I guess so...however, I think the general concern is this is not the first time Hawes' has done something like this (as others have pointed at in this thread.) Who knows what the exact reason, and it's probably none of our business, but it seems the quotes from Petrie would have been a little more defensive of Hawes if it was a legitimate/serious family matter. The concern is not really that that he's not going, but that it seems he backed out at the last second. I know it's dangerous to jump to conclusions, but it just seems one more example of Hawes being somewhat of an annoying presence to club offials. He's opinionated (...not necessarily a bad thing, but can rub people the wrong way), and seems to come off a bit self-centered. I really think the team loves the potential he has on the court, but are constantly swearing at him under their breath.
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I suppose - IF Petrie thought Hawes needed defending.

My original point was that it seems like the Bee is spending more time trying to foment dissension about one player or another than ever before. I dislike seeing a player's personal life become fodder for the rumor mill, especially when it's over a voluntary appearance at a summer league for a week in Las Vegas.

People have already started leaping to all kinds of conclusions based on shaky assumptions. Spencer Hawes brings it every single night on the court; he's hard-working and dedicated. I think that's what should really be important.

It always seems that one player or another has to be the brunt of a whole bunch of animosity, and it just seems as though it's generally started over something in the Bee. I just don't like to see people jump through hoops over something Amick said ...
 
TaxMan said:
Do you really want to go there? He's a pro basketball player. It goes with the territory. No, he isn't 'required' to go , but the expectation when he was handed a multi-million dollar contract is that he'll be working out year round, constantly working to improve his game, etc. He's not working a 40 hour a week job for an hourly wage. There's plenty of us on a yearly salary that work heavy hours without any overtime pay. Unfortunately, it's the nature of the profession one choses.
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Um, no... No, no, no. Professional athletes get time off, too. Sorry but I do not agree with the idea that there are expectations he'll do nothing but basketball.
 
VF21 said:
I suppose - IF Petrie thought Hawes needed defending.

My original point was that it seems like the Bee is spending more time trying to foment dissension about one player or another than ever before. I dislike seeing a player's personal life become fodder for the rumor mill, especially when it's over a voluntary appearance at a summer league for a week in Las Vegas.
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If you had moved to town during the past few years and got all of your news on the Kings from the Bee, you would swear that they had a personal vendetta against the Maloofs and were doing everything in their power to convince Sacramento to drive the team elsewhere. This is why I don't even bother reading it anymore. Every once in a while I take a glance to see if it has changed, only to be disappointed once again.
 
TaxMan said:
I guess so...however, I think the general concern is this is not the first time Hawes' has done something like this (as others have pointed at in this thread.) Who knows what the exact reason, and it's probably none of our business, but it seems the quotes from Petrie would have been a little more defensive of Hawes if it was a legitimate/serious family matter. The concern is not really that that he's not going, but that it seems he backed out at the last second. I know it's dangerous to jump to conclusions, but it just seems one more example of Hawes being somewhat of an annoying presence to club offials. He's opinionated (...not necessarily a bad thing, but can rub people the wrong way), and seems to come off a bit self-centered. I really think the team loves the potential he has on the court, but are constantly swearing at him under their breath.
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This is where I have come down with Spencer since he was a rook -- I think he's an *** frankly and likely insufferable to be around sometimes. Very much still a kid with that simultaneous insecure/self righteous thing we've all been through. But that's not a reason for all the ridiculous "trade him!" over not showing up to summer league nonsense. If you have a real talent, and he's a dip**** know it all strutting kid, as long as its not horribly disruptive you just put up with it and hope he grows up.

The difficulty for Spencer will be if he stops growing, gets hurt, or anything else. An ego/attitude like his only gets ignored so long as the potential on the floor justifies tolerance. If he ever becomes just another guy, I doubt teams will be willing to turn the other cheek. Petrie did sound a little tweaked, which isn't easy to accomplish. But as of right now the talent far outweighs these minor little incidents.
 
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VF21 said:
Um, no... No, no, no. Professional athletes get time off, too. Sorry but I do not agree with the idea that there are expectations he'll do nothing but basketball.
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OK, I agree professional atheletes deserve time off (particularly based on the physical nature of their job); however, his season has been over since mid-April. I"m sure he's been working out during the summer, etc., but my only point was that asking a player to attend summer league is not the same as being asked to work 10 weekends in row for the typical worker bee. We're just not comparing apples to apples there. I mean, the typical job gives a person what, 2 to 5 weeks of vacation time a year (and in the american work culture, most probably take far less than that.)

The vast majority of professional atheletes are exteremely driven individuals that push their bodies to the limit year round. Most in America, even if we did have the natural athletic ability would not have the drive required to succeed at that level. I certainly understand the mental and physical benefit of providing them time to get away...however, it is a long off-season. Particularly for non-playoff teams.
 
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Bricklayer said:
This is where I have come down with Spencer since he was a rook -- I think he's an *** frankly and likely insufferable to be around sometimes. Very much still a kid with that simultaneous insecure/self righteous thing we've all been through.
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Look at the bright side, then. Geoff seemed to want him leading the youth movement, but that doesn't seem to be on Hawes' priority list. So someone else will come along to fill that void. Since we have no other insufferable ***es on the team, it all works out for the best.
 
Brockman and Spencer have been working out together for a large part of the offseason. He said Spencer is a little banged up, and had a wedding to go to. If thats true, which I have no reason to believe it isn't, then I don't really have a problem with him missing the summer league.

Its not common for 3rd yr players to participate, although that doesn't mean Spencer wouldn't benefit from playing. But he is going to show up on monday to support his teammates, so its nto like he's ditching the entire summerleague.

I would argue that Spencer was our most consistent player last year, and that both he and JT were the only players that brough all-out effort to every game. Spencer didn't always play smart, and was sometimes benched because of early foul trouble, but the effort was always there. Personally, I don't have a problem with Spencer's work ethic. The guy transformed his body last offseason with Shapiro, and obviously improved his game during the summer given how well he played to start off the year. He's working out hard this summer in Seattle, and if he is a little banged up, let him rest a little. I just think this situation is getting blown out of proportion- big time. I highly doubt he will pull a Beno, and come in next season out of shape and have a dissapointing season.
 
I don't think its so bothersome that he's missing camp. Its more that he said he'd be there and then didn't tell anybody until the last possible second that he wouldn't be there.

Weddings don't usually get planned at the last minute, if that was the "family obligation." He should have just told the Kings earlier. That's what bothers me a little, anyway. That's just inconsiderate to his employers and to his teammates. Is a phone call too taxing? :rolleyes:
 
Have you heard.....

......that Eddy Curry was "ordered" to report to the summer league?

Did you hear that Geoff? Apparently you can order a player to report to summer league. I know Curry has always had a conditioning problem and is supposed to be working out with some fitness guru and the Knicks want to check out his progress.
Well Hawes has a heart problem. Petrie should order him to Vegas so they can check him out and see if he has one.:rolleyes:
 
dbfish said:
......that Eddy Curry Was "ordered" To Report To The Summer League?

Did You Hear That Geoff? Apparently You Can Order A Player To Report To Summer League. I Know Curry Has Always Had A Conditioning Problem And Is Supposed To Be Working Out With Some Fitness Guru And The Knicks Want To Check Out His Progress.
Well Hawes Has A Heart Problem. Petrie Should Order Him To Vegas So They Can Check Him Out And See If He Has One.:rolleyes:
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Ouch!
 
OK, let's be honest here. NONE of us exactly know what "family commitments" means. His family could be going through some difficult times, difficult circumstances etc. The team could paint it as "family commitments," but we have no idea what the word "commitment" actually entails.

I would like to presume that each person on this board would value family over work? I know I do. We all know that sometimes we place family events over OPTIONAL work events and even sometimes over mandatory work events. The truth of the matter is sometimes - life and family come calling. And it might seem small to us, but might mean ALOT to Spencer and his family.

Before we jump on the "Spencer's a jerk," and "Spencer has no heart" arguments, how about we get all of the details first?
 
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