BREAKING (not really) NEWS: Kings open for business in the offseason
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I'm not big on the idea of trading for Simmons for a few reasons (I think he'd leave in free agency, I question his attitude and drive, he limits how you can build your team around him etc) but I think any real discussion of acquiring him starts with trading De'Aaron Fox. Simmons demands to be the primary ballhandler and it's also the only way you can maximize what he does well.
That said, while Simmons may be the more talented player of the two I'll take the kid who wants to be here and who doesn't have such a glaring hole in his game.
Fox's outside shot continues to be a work in progress, but last season he took 5.5 per game and hit them at a 32% clip. Teams at least have to respect his jumper while they sag off Simmons at the perimeter completely and dare him to shoot. He took 10 threes all of last season despite being left completely open pretty much any time he was beyond the arc.
That said, while Simmons may be the more talented player of the two I'll take the kid who wants to be here and who doesn't have such a glaring hole in his game.
Fox's outside shot continues to be a work in progress, but last season he took 5.5 per game and hit them at a 32% clip. Teams at least have to respect his jumper while they sag off Simmons at the perimeter completely and dare him to shoot. He took 10 threes all of last season despite being left completely open pretty much any time he was beyond the arc.
Sure, but to be fair I EXPECT people paid large professional salaries to asses players talent, temperament and durability to at least be right more often than the average Joe watching games, and I especially count on them to know more than a mook like me. So even though I have said repeatedly that I question Bagley's abelites to stay healthy and constantly play at the highest level, if I am wrong I expect the experts to know it and keep him and if they prove to only be a competent as I would be do in THIER job them I think it's fair to knock them for that as well.
Exactly. "You want out of Sacramento and a big offer/role on another team? Go out and prove to the rest of the league why you're worth it."
Best case scenario it makes the Kings better, Bagley finally puts it all together, he (and his dad) is happier, and the Kings re-sign him as a building block. Unlikely but possible.
Worst case scenario he's injured again and/or shows little to no improvement and he's gone after next season.
Yeah, by not trading Marvin you miss out on whatever terrible return he might get you in trade this summer but worth it for the slim chance of the best case scenario.
Best case scenario it makes the Kings better, Bagley finally puts it all together, he (and his dad) is happier, and the Kings re-sign him as a building block. Unlikely but possible.
Worst case scenario he's injured again and/or shows little to no improvement and he's gone after next season.
Yeah, by not trading Marvin you miss out on whatever terrible return he might get you in trade this summer but worth it for the slim chance of the best case scenario.
Jonathan Givony has Sengun going 16 and Moody going 18. Now if that happened to be the case then I would sure like at least one of those picks. Seeing they also have the 6th, Kuminga or Barnes, Id say pretty sweet rebuild on OKC’s part.
I’ve been listening to most the Bagley arguments here and on podcast such as Carmichael Dave and I don’t know what’s a realistic return. I do know it’s become a distraction so I wouldn’t mind rolling with an OKC trade if presented.
I’ve been listening to most the Bagley arguments here and on podcast such as Carmichael Dave and I don’t know what’s a realistic return. I do know it’s become a distraction so I wouldn’t mind rolling with an OKC trade if presented.
I think the issue is if this is the best time to trade him, or will we get better returns if he starts the season strong.
There is of course the possibility, that he in injured again, and his value falls further. At this point, it's likely that there's little to lose, but lots to gain if we hold on, and he starts strong.
There is of course the possibility, that he in injured again, and his value falls further. At this point, it's likely that there's little to lose, but lots to gain if we hold on, and he starts strong.
His dad has been an irritant for a while, and MB3 himself has not helped matters much. Not his fault that two people selected behind him have attained super star status. I also think he could have been given more minutes/play calls by Luke, particularly during the 4th quarters, but he also has to earn the trust. Injuries are often something he can't control (people might argue that more time in weight room etc., might make him more durable, but I don't know if his injuries were because of a lack of discipline in those areas, so want to avoid that discussion), but he can perhaps make more of a commitment on the defensive end.
That said, I think his value is more than what we make it out to be. He's still young, and his 36 mins averages are excellent. Health is a major red flag, and he will have to prove that he can stay healthy over an extended period. Due to this, his value is lower than what it should be right now, and if he starts the season strong, we might get more near the trade deadline. There's no reason to trade now, unless someone comes with an offer that Monte likes.
I do believe though that we should trade him by the deadline. Now, if he's playing great, and we are in the hunt for a play off spot (doubtful in the west, but let's see), maybe we hold on to him. We risk losing him for nothing as a RFA, but we still control the narrative to some extent. That's a bridge too far though. For now, I think we shouldn't trade him before the season starts, unless it's part of a package to get a star.
That said, I think his value is more than what we make it out to be. He's still young, and his 36 mins averages are excellent. Health is a major red flag, and he will have to prove that he can stay healthy over an extended period. Due to this, his value is lower than what it should be right now, and if he starts the season strong, we might get more near the trade deadline. There's no reason to trade now, unless someone comes with an offer that Monte likes.
I do believe though that we should trade him by the deadline. Now, if he's playing great, and we are in the hunt for a play off spot (doubtful in the west, but let's see), maybe we hold on to him. We risk losing him for nothing as a RFA, but we still control the narrative to some extent. That's a bridge too far though. For now, I think we shouldn't trade him before the season starts, unless it's part of a package to get a star.