Brad to Chicago?

[NyfdRIP343]

From the Chicago realgm, a person states the Bulls and Kings are in talks. Everyone in the forum says he's a reliable source.
http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=829180

Hey everyone, I wanted to let you know the Bulls and Kings are trying to work out a trade that would bring Brad Miller back to the Bulls...

...Now as for the Miller information, the Bulls and Kings are working on a deal but the Bulls really don't want to make the trade until they resolve the Gordon and more info as it comes but thats all for now.

NOTE: The rest of the post from realgm was a blatant plug for the "reliable source's" new website/blog. In keeping with long-standing policy, the link has been removed. - VF21

 

[ParniValjak]

Not sure how this helps us too much as Nocioni's contract runs forever!

 

[ovrush]

It's an exciting rumor. I like that we're pushing for Noah. If it's Noah Nocioni and a first, it would be more than I could hope for. We would snag a perfect third big who is a hustle/intangibles guy to rotate with Spence and Thompson, and Nocioni gives us the depth at the small forward to be able to be comfortable trading away Artest AND Salmons.

 

[Bricklayer]

As a longtime advocate of moving Brad while he;s got value, this would be great. Especially if the second part of this statement were to be pulled off:

The teams are also having some minor trouble because the Bulls want to send Nocioni, a future pick and Cedric Simmons for Miller. But the Kings are hoping they can replace Simmons with Joakim Noah.

I have no idea at all how that could be a good deal for the Bulls, but I've always liked Nocioni, and would cheerfully take on his 5yr $37mil salary if we could get Noah in on the deal. All of a sudden in two years we might have entirely contructed the frontcourt of the future -- Hawes, Noah and Thompson (as well as Shelden). And on top of that Nocioni's presence might be a strong indicator of Ron's exit. In any case, that deal he has is only MLE type money, and you would think it would be an imminently moveable contract in the future barring injury.

 

[Heuge]

As a longtime advocate of moving Brad while he;s got value, this would be great. Especially if the second part of this statement were to be pulled off:



I have no idea at all how that could be a good deal for the Bulls, but I've always liked Nocioni, and would cheerfully take on his 5yr $37mil salary if we could get Noah in on the deal. All of a sudden in two years we might have entirely contructed the frontcourt of the future -- Hawes, Noah and Thompson (as well as Shelden). And on top of that Nocioni's presence might be a strong indicator of Ron's exit. In any case, that deal he has is only MLE type money, and you would think it would be an imminently moveable contract in the future barring injury.

That sounds like our type of salary to me. ThE Sacramento MLE's

 

[nbrans]

I'm really not sure how Nocioni would fit into the picture given that he's 28 and has a long deal. I like his toughness, but he looked really bad this past year, almost like he's actually 30 and hit the wall. If Chicago throws in a first that would definitely make this a good deal for the Kings, but otherwise I'm not sure that it's a net gain to have Nocioni's contract on the books for another four years.

If there is any truth to this rumor, I wonder if there's a possible S&T involved. I seem to remember there were rumors about the Kings being interested in Ben Gordon a couple of times in the past. I'm not sure how I feel about that deal either, but I'd rather have someone Gordon's age locked up on a long term deal than Nocioni's.

 

[NewMonkey]

I don't see this happening. The Bulls aren't going to want to give up Noah and the Kings won't trade Miller when Hawes is the only option at Center.

 

[allrightythen]

If they include Noah then I'd have to believe that we include something else to sweeten it. If not then its just highway robbery and Geoff gets that genius label back.

 

[beb0p]

Nocioni is good but he just adds to what we already have and his contract is long and not cheap. Simmons is a scrub. That #1 pick is nice but it is probably a late teen pick.

I can see why GP wants to replace Simmons with Noah. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense for us.

 

[Sptsjunkie]

I don't see this happening. The Bulls aren't going to want to give up Noah and the Kings won't trade Miller when Hawes is the only option at Center.

I'm not so sure the Bulls won't trade Noah. They might want an extra second round pick. However, Noah has already been suspended by a team vote by his teammates, got caught with drugs in the offseason and has generally ticked them off as a rookie. While he hasn't done anything so bad that he cannot overcome it, a change of scenery might be good for both sides.

Also, let's be honest about Noah. He has good energy and is reasonably athletic and can certainly have a role in the league, but he is a limited upside player who does not have any type of star potential.

 

[DocHolliday]

Someone explain to me why we want Noah? He's been a headache for the bulls already. He turned the team against him when they voted to bench him. He is EXTREMELY emotional, emotional to the tune of players like Terrel Owens. All they want to do is win, in essence it sounds good, but they get so frustrated and passionate that they say and do things that are not good for a team.

This guy pulled this crap in his rookie year folks. It will only get worse as he gets more comfortable and bold. We are trying to get rid of a headcase in Artest, we don't need to replace him with another younger version that might be even worse in the long run.

I like the idea of Moving Brad to allow our new center in Hawes to start, but I just want good personnel, good team people at the same time.

 

[VF21]

I wanted Joakim Noah last year but I've gotten over it. I don't think he's anywhere near as bad as Artest, but I agree that we don't need to bring any more potential problems into the mix. And I don't think Petrie will want to do it, either.

 

[Bricklayer]

Someone explain to me why we want Noah? He's been a headache for the bulls already. He turned the team against him when they voted to bench him. He is EXTREMELY emotional, emotional to the tune of players like Terrel Owens. All they want to do is win, in essence it sounds good, but they get so frustrated and passionate that they say and do things that are not good for a team.

This guy pulled this crap is his rookie year folks. It will only gets worse as he gets more comfortable and bold. We are trying to get rid of a headcase in Artest, we don't need to replace him with another younger version that might be even worse in the long run.

I like the idea of Moving Brad to allow our new center in Hawes to start, but I just want good personnel, good team people at the same time.

Noah came on very strong down the stretch last year, and with an unselfish roleplayer's game, could be an ideal backup behind a Thompson/Hawes talented but soft frontline.

And far more players through the years have matured out of the silly stuff, then have become hardened into it. We had a number of them on our great teams -- Vlade was a lazy Euro who got chewed out by Magic, Webb a cancer, Christie a cancer, Bobby stubborn to a fault, Bibby fought with SAR etc. By the time they got ot us, they ahd grown up. You get a young big with potential, to team up with the young bigs we already have, you take him, worry about the rest later. The Bulls were a disaster last year anyway, and Skiles is just a jerk, so I'm not entirely convinced the problems might not have been exasperated by the situation anyway.

If anything, Noah begins to look like the ideal Pollard behind Vlade (Hawes) and Webb (Thompson). Bit wacky. Bit off kilter. But full sized and does the dirty work.

 

[Spike]

Noah came on very strong down the stretch last year, and with an unselfish roleplayer's game, could be an ideal backup behind a Thompson/Hawes talented but soft frontline.

If anything, Noah begins to look like the ideal Pollard behind Vlade (Hawes) and Webb (Thompson). Bit wacky. Bit off kilter. But full sized and does the dirty work.

Would he accept that role, or would he come in thinking he was/should be the starter? I have no clue what goes on in his head, but I could see that becoming problematic.

 

[jthompson1]

As hard as this is to believe but I think if the coaches really work with thomspon that there could be a chance of him moving down to the three position. That is only based on what i have heard, i havnt yet Thompson play in the summer league, just highlights. I heard he has a decent midrange game and if thats true and he can run the floor as well. iwouldnt mind seeing Beno, kmart, thompson, noah, and hawes in the future.

 

[Bricklayer]

Would he accept that role, or would he come in thinking he was/should be the starter? I have no clue what goes on in his head, but I could see that becoming problematic.

Possible -- he is an odd oen, and there is some sort of weird ego thing I do not get. But if it does, you trade him or let the rookie contract expire (not going to happen). The key here is that he was averaging a double double down the stretch. Young big who can put up numbers = always moveable. Which is why of course that Chicago is in no hurry to move him despite whatever issues he had for them last year.

 

[Sptsjunkie]

Noah came on very strong down the stretch last year, and with an unselfish roleplayer's game, could be an ideal backup behind a Thompson/Hawes talented but soft frontline.

And far more players through the years have matured out of the silly stuff, then have become hardened into it. We had a number of them on our great teams -- Vlade was a lazy Euro who got chewed out by Magic, Webb a cancer, Christie a cancer, Bobby stubborn to a fault, Bibby fought with SAR etc. By the time they got ot us, they ahd grown up. You get a young big with potential, to team up with the young bigs we already have, you take him, worry about the rest later. The Bulls were a disaster last year anyway, and Skiles is just a jerk, so I'm not entirely convinced the problems might not have been exasperated by the situation anyway.

If anything, Noah begins to look like the ideal Pollard behind Vlade (Hawes) and Webb (Thompson). Bit wacky. Bit off kilter. But full sized and does the dirty work.

I fully agree with this. Noah's been a bit of a headcase his first year, but he's not unlike a lot of young players or even young professionals who are a bit too cocky. None of his shenanigans are really bad indicators of his character. We have some feuding over PT and some pot smoking. Nothing involving violence wrecklessness or other pathalogical behavior. My impressions of Noah are that he is a good kid from a good family who is a bit spoiled, but expecially if the Bulls cut him and he gets a little humility, he is a prime candidate to readjust his attitude.

 

[VF21]

As hard as this is to believe but I think if the coaches really work with thomspon that there could be a chance of him moving down to the three position. That is only based on what i have heard, i havnt yet Thompson play in the summer league, just highlights. I heard he has a decent midrange game and if thats true and he can run the floor as well. iwouldnt mind seeing Beno, kmart, thompson, noah, and hawes in the future.

Welcome to the board!

If Jason can, in fact, play the three it could get pretty interesting. Your lineup of Udrih, Martin, Thompson, Noah and Hawes sounds like a whole lot of fun if nothing else.

 

[Packt]

If we can get Noah, it would be a huge steal. I would even do Hawes for Noah straight up, but Miller for Noah is even better.

However, messageboard deals are never reliable no matter how reliable the source supposedly is.

 

[jthompson1]

Thank you.

yea that was my first thought..that would be a pretty athletic lineup..i think alot of fastbreak would work, i would just hope noah gets his head on straight

 

[Sptsjunkie]

Thank you.

yea that was my first thought..that would be a pretty athletic lineup..i think alot of fastbreak would work, i would just hope noah gets his head on straight

I don't know if Thompson could ever be a SF, but he could play if for stretches and having 3 mobile players 6'11'' and taller would be a matchup nightmare for our competition. Shoot, put Salmons and Garcia on the floor at the same time and you have a very large, athletic linupe.

 

[DocHolliday]

I'm not interested in moving a 6' 11" guy with shot blocking, rebounding and passing capability to the three. It seems like a waste to me.

 

[ikillz0mbies]

I really doubt the Bulls would give up Noah, who is just coming off his first year. And I don't see why they would want Miller in return, who's pretty much just an ender for them. I don't think Paxton is that dumb. Sure, bringing in Noah to Sac would be great. See some young energy that lasts for years would fill some seats. But I really don't see it happening.

 

[rhythmless]

so the trade is brad miller for noah, nocioni, and a 1st? did someone decide that taking off the actual trade in this thread was the smart thing to do?
smh...

 

[jthompson1]

no we are talking about the possibility of the trade going through and then wondering what we are goin to do with noah and thompson, and wondering if thompson could end up being able to play the 3

 

[hammystyle]

If we can get Noah, it would be a huge steal. I would even do Hawes for Noah straight up, but Miller for Noah is even better.

However, messageboard deals are never reliable no matter how reliable the source supposedly is.

Me too.

I've said this on a few different threads, but Noah is soooo underrated on this board. His per minute averages last year were great for a rookie. He actually outdid the more ballyhooed Horford when it came to Hollinger's PER ratings. On 82games.com he rated as the Bulls' most valuable player who played a signigicant amount of minutes.

Really of Hawes, Thompson, and Noah, I think Noah is not only the best player right now, but the best prospect...and that's to take nothing away of JT and SH who I really like....but theoretically, I think they could chop up 96 minutes between them really nicely and be really versatile, productive front line.

There's no chance that we get Noah and a pick IMO. But if our main piece is BMiller, and we get back Noah, that is an OUTSTANDING trade.

 

[NyfdRIP343]

The actual trade that they are working on is Brad Miller for Cedric Simmons, Nocioni,and a first round draft pick. He says the Kings are pushing for Joakim in the trade rather than simmons and that the bulls are first trying to lock up deng and gorden before doing this deal.

 

[jthompson1]

actually when u mention it, i wouldnt mind putting deng in there and just take out simmons or noah whoever they have in there, so it would be Brad for deng and a first, i wouldnt mind that at all..but theres a long shot that they will do that, we would probably hav to atleast put a 2nd rounder in there though

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Miller for Nocioni/Noah doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Everything so far has indicated that we're trying to clear contracts for 2010: The Year We Make Capspace. Miller's expiring that summer, while Nocioni goes two years beyond that and will be somewhere between $8.5 and $9.5M on the cap. If we were to clear Salmons, that would lessen Nocioni's hit, but keep in mind that we're not the only team looking for cap space for the FA period to end all FA periods, so he's not exactly the most movable piece.

I don't think Nocioni's signed to a bargain contract by any means, and he's a complementary piece rather than a star. Noah doesn't impress me. So I don't see why we do this and potentially sacrifice signing a big-name free agent in 2010. Reliable source? Or guy who just started a web page and wants to increase traffic? I've got my guess.

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

Brad Miller to Chicago...again? was my first thought. I'm pretty sure they want a youth movement there, with Rose/Deng in there. We'll never take Hughes/Gooden off their hands, and in normal scenarios I'd want Sefolosha just out of his sheer defensive potential, but we're loaded in that position. Noah is an adequate choice, but perhaps we can pry one of their PGs--may Hinrich, who's still quite young as well. I'm not a real fan of Noah, because his antics overshadow his game, but we do need that energy player to pair up with offensive minded Hawes and Joshua Thompson.