Bonzi Wells Prediction Game

SacTownKid said:
Martin could become a quality player that has possibilities to be able to be dominant in this league offensively. I would love Bonzi to come to Sac, have in fact wanted that for a long time, but not at the expense of Kevin Martin. He goes nowhere.
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I don't disagree with you about Martin as to his potential, but the Kings can't really be looking at someone who could some day be an offensive force. With the so called "core" of the team in the middle of their primes there is no reason to hold anything back for the future. If the plans were to use KM in a trade at some point then the pick of Cisco would make more sense. Gerald Wallace had a ton of offensive potential for the Kings and most everything that is being said about KM today was once said about Gerald. I like KM and I think he's got potential, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him dealt.
 
I see people saying include picks, one of our rookies but I don't know. I would love to have Bonzi but not at the cost of the future. If his option is picked up and a S&T is done, it is only a one year contract. Next year, he could be gone and so would the pieces that the team once had for the future. It is too short-sighted and too costly for someone that may be nothing more than a stop-gap measure.
 
piksi said:
He was also there losing games especially in the PO last season because he could not stop his man to save his life. He gets respect for his offensive game and his performances in the late game situations. He does not get credit for his defende because he has never heard of it. He is not the most consistant player since he has been here. Not even close. Also Webber is not here anymore and Webber was a big part of Bibby's game - so I think that Your quote is bull squared:rolleyes:
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LOL!!! Did you even watch the playoffs this year? See thats what I hate about some of these threads, you got some people on here that don't know what the heck they are talking about. Like in the quote up above, you said that that bibby couldn't stop his man to save his life, hum... well I didn't see Luke putting up 45 point games so get your facts straight. That was Ray Allen and he was guarded by Mobley. Since bibby's been with the Kings his game has improved every year so I think that makes him the most consistent player we have and hey you said he isn't so why don't you tell me who is.
 
People were expecting bibby to have such a huge advantage over ridnour. he played much better than everyone expected and they were calling him a future star etc because of bibbys defense. ray allen is their star and the main reason they won but ridnour was also causing bibby lots of problems. Ridnour had no trouble directing the offense.
 
jay dubb said:
LOL!!! Did you even watch the playoffs this year? See thats what I hate about some of these threads, you got some people on here that don't know what the heck they are talking about. Like in the quote up above, you said that that bibby couldn't stop his man to save his life, hum... well I didn't see Luke putting up 45 point games so get your facts straight. That was Ray Allen and he was guarded by Mobley. Since bibby's been with the Kings his game has improved every year so I think that makes him the most consistent player we have and hey you said he isn't so why don't you tell me who is.
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Most consistant player was Chriss Webber.

Seattle won the series and Rideanuer was a big part of it.

And everyone knows that Bibby can not stop a man to save his life. He can't even guard a chair with wheels on it.

you got some people on here that don't know what the heck they are talking about.
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good to know that You have a mirror
 
LOL Luke Ridnour was the reason they won, man you have got to be kidding me right? Ray Allen beat the Kings by himself. All I saw was Ray Allen with the ball, then here comes James or Evans setting a screen, no hedge by our 4 or 5 man and swish 3 points. Don't get me wrong I love my Kings, but Ray put it on us. Yeah I agree with you about C-Webb but I'm talking about the current Kings roster. Take defense out of the equation because we all know that the kings cant d-up, but I got a feeling that's gon change next year HOPEFULLY.
 
jay dubb said:
Take defense out of the equation because we all know that the kings cant d-up, but I got a feeling that's gon change next year HOPEFULLY.
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Not as long as Bibby is the King
 
ooooooooooooookkkk...

well, getting away from generally unknowledgable hypocrites, all the time I feel like I'm more and more on the side of "lets just develop KM and Garcia"

Or maybe that isnt a side, just my thoughts

but anyway, I think trading away talent/picks/money to get a "starting quality 2guard" isnt the right idea. if GP has any trust in his own draft picks, he will know that KM and Garcia can develop into the kind of starter we want/need or at least a good one who we can trade....

The glaring need, imo, is a good big man. I hope GP is searching for a trade to get one, pull off another brad miller type trade. maybe its not plausible but still


I say, give Martin/Cisco a chance, we arnt gonna win the championship this year anyway, at least its very unlikely...for all we know(altho hard to believe) those two are the onnes who will help us get the chance
 
If the Sonics didn't have Ray Allen, Sonics wouldn't of won. Simple as that.

Ridnour had some periods/flashes of goodness (including a few sweet plays), but wasn't a main reason they won.

BobbyJ_for3! said:
ooooooooooooookkkk...

well, getting away from generally unknowledgable hypocrites, all the time I feel like I'm more and more on the side of "lets just develop KM and Garcia"

Or maybe that isnt a side, just my thoughts

but anyway, I think trading away talent/picks/money to get a "starting quality 2guard" isnt the right idea. if GP has any trust in his own draft picks, he will know that KM and Garcia can develop into the kind of starter we want/need or at least a good one who we can trade....

The glaring need, imo, is a good big man. I hope GP is searching for a trade to get one, pull off another brad miller type trade. maybe its not plausible but still


I say, give Martin/Cisco a chance, we arnt gonna win the championship this year anyway, at least its very unlikely...for all we know(altho hard to believe) those two are the onnes who will help us get the chance
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Guarantee neither of them start, Wells or Evans will. Even if they impress huge in training camp, and we have Wells/Evans. Reading todays Sacbee shows that even more.
 
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BobbyJ_for3! said:
ooooooooooooookkkk...

well, getting away from generally unknowledgable hypocrites, all the time I feel like I'm more and more on the side of "lets just develop KM and Garcia"

Or maybe that isnt a side, just my thoughts

but anyway, I think trading away talent/picks/money to get a "starting quality 2guard" isnt the right idea. if GP has any trust in his own draft picks, he will know that KM and Garcia can develop into the kind of starter we want/need or at least a good one who we can trade....

The glaring need, imo, is a good big man. I hope GP is searching for a trade to get one, pull off another brad miller type trade. maybe its not plausible but still


I say, give Martin/Cisco a chance, we arnt gonna win the championship this year anyway, at least its very unlikely...for all we know(altho hard to believe) those two are the onnes who will help us get the chance
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I am also in the develop martin/garcia camp. If Petrie saw a big man in the draft he thought would help, he would have picked up someone like sean may or chris taft, and he didn't. To me, this tells me he has someone in his sights, better than a big man in the draft.
 
Let me get this straight. Brad Miller, Peja Stojakovic and Mike Bibby are in the prime of their careers. If the Kings are ever going to win a championship with this core, it's going to happen in the next three years. And you're more concerned with developing a rookie and a second year player? Are you serious?? They can't develop coming off the bench?

If the Kings can upgrade at any position you have to do it, and Bonzi Wells would be a major improvement at the 2. To me, counting on Martin and Garcia to develop is foolhardy.
 
whozit said:
I see people saying include picks, one of our rookies but I don't know. I would love to have Bonzi but not at the cost of the future. If his option is picked up and a S&T is done, it is only a one year contract. Next year, he could be gone and so would the pieces that the team once had for the future. It is too short-sighted and too costly for someone that may be nothing more than a stop-gap measure.
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Picks are not our future. This team has never built through this draft, and I doubt it is going to now that we are a good enough team not to go into the lottery. A few players we have nabbed in the draft, but the last few years our drafts haven't netted us any real impact players. I'd much rather have Wells on our roster than a draft pick and a young unproven guy. I think people are reluctant to trade our kids not because of their talent but sentimental value (see: Matt Barnes). Not that that is bad, but we shouldn't be mortgaging our talent to retain sentiment. That's far more dangerous than giving up picks.
 
jay dubb said:
LOL!!! Did you even watch the playoffs this year? See thats what I hate about some of these threads, you got some people on here that don't know what the heck they are talking about. Like in the quote up above, you said that that bibby couldn't stop his man to save his life, hum... well I didn't see Luke putting up 45 point games so get your facts straight. That was Ray Allen and he was guarded by Mobley. Since bibby's been with the Kings his game has improved every year so I think that makes him the most consistent player we have and hey you said he isn't so why don't you tell me who is.
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Ridnour averaged roughly 8 ppg against Sac, and that's after putting up a goose egg in game 1. He averaged 10 ppg in the season. It is stupid to say he didn't perform as well as Ray Allen, so Bibby must have done a good job. Luke Ridnour is a second year poing guard. Ray Allen is Ray Allen. There is no comparison, and Luke having a bad scoring performance cannot be credited to Bibby, but is simply a fact of life for a young guy who doesn't score. If you actually watched the series, however, you will realize that Ridnour still performed exceptionally well, directing the team fluently and making a few memorable moves on the court. Bibby is simply not a good defender. For however much else he has going for him, that's a fact. Deal with it.
 
nbrans said:
Let me get this straight. Brad Miller, Peja Stojakovic and Mike Bibby are in the prime of their careers. If the Kings are ever going to win a championship with this core, it's going to happen in the next three years. And you're more concerned with developing a rookie and a second year player? Are you serious?? They can't develop coming off the bench?

If the Kings can upgrade at any position you have to do it, and Bonzi Wells would be a major improvement at the 2. To me, counting on Martin and Garcia to develop is foolhardy.
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Completely agree!!! Planning for the future right now is the same thing as mortgaging the future as far as the Kings are concerned. The Kings have some key pieces (Brad, Mike and Peja) to win right now. Why in the world would they want an unknown quantity like KM or Cisco to be their primary 2 guard when they can get someone who has proven skills and will do more for the team now than later. It wouldn't make sense for the Bobcats, Hawks or a host of other teams to develop their young guys rather than going after someone like Bonzi, but Mike, Brad, and Peja are arguably in the top 5 in the league at their respective positions and they are all in the prime of their careers.
 
nbrans said:
Let me get this straight. Brad Miller, Peja Stojakovic and Mike Bibby are in the prime of their careers. If the Kings are ever going to win a championship with this core, it's going to happen in the next three years. And you're more concerned with developing a rookie and a second year player? Are you serious?? They can't develop coming off the bench?

If the Kings can upgrade at any position you have to do it, and Bonzi Wells would be a major improvement at the 2. To me, counting on Martin and Garcia to develop is foolhardy.
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My comments were in regards to Petrie not picking up a PF in the draft. He obviously has his eyes on someone else. I would love to have Wells at the 2. The Kings will never win a championship with Miller, Peja, Bibby as their core, so I don't see your point.
 
captain bill said:
If you actually watched the series, however, you will realize that Ridnour still performed exceptionally well, directing the team fluently and making a few memorable moves on the court. Bibby is simply not a good defender. For however much else he has going for him, that's a fact. Deal with it.
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he did not watch it
 
captain bill said:
Ridnour averaged roughly 8 ppg against Sac, and that's after putting up a goose egg in game 1. He averaged 10 ppg in the season. It is stupid to say he didn't perform as well as Ray Allen, so Bibby must have done a good job. Luke Ridnour is a second year poing guard. Ray Allen is Ray Allen. There is no comparison, and Luke having a bad scoring performance cannot be credited to Bibby, but is simply a fact of life for a young guy who doesn't score. If you actually watched the series, however, you will realize that Ridnour still performed exceptionally well, directing the team fluently and making a few memorable moves on the court. Bibby is simply not a good defender. For however much else he has going for him, that's a fact. Deal with it.
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Ridnour played ok, but he didn't kill us either. As you yourself posted^ he avg less against Mike than he did night in and night out all season. Mike is not a good defender, but he isn't as bad as some people make him out to be either. If we had any inside presence or team defense at all it wouldn't even be an issue. Luke made some plays but he was hardly the reason we lost the series, he wasn't even the best role player for them in that series, BTW I watched every second and this argument is really stupid.
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KP said:
Ridnour played ok, but he didn't kill us either. As you yourself posted^ he avg less against Mike than he did nihgt in and night out all season. Mike is not a good defender, but he isn't as bad as some people make him out to be either. If we had any inside presence or team defense at all it wouldn't even be an issue. Luke made some plays but he was hardly the reason we lost the series, he wasn't even the best role player for them in that series, BTW I watched every second and this argument is really stupid.
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The team as a whole sucks on defense so its hard to single out one person and say they are the weakness.
 
thesanityannex said:
The team as a whole sucks on defense so its hard to single out one person and say they are the weakness.
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It is hard, but some people still seem to feel the need to...
 
KP said:
Ridnour played ok, but he didn't kill us either. As you yourself posted^ he avg less against Mike than he did night in and night out all season. Mike is not a good defender, but he isn't as bad as some people make him out to be either. If we had any inside presence or team defense at all it wouldn't even be an issue. Luke made some plays but he was hardly the reason we lost the series, he wasn't even the best role player for them in that series, BTW I watched every second and this argument is really stupid.
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You are right KP this arguement is stupid. So what if Ridnour averaged 8 a game who cares that didn't beat the Kings, like I said earlier its just some people that don't know what they are talking about. I mean come on what else besides that behind the back pass did he do? Another thing that I get tired of seeing on here is that bibby can't play d. Even if bibby could play d the kings would still be the same b/c 1 man can't guard everybody, you have to play team d if you want to win a championship.
 
captain bill said:
Ridnour averaged roughly 8 ppg against Sac, and that's after putting up a goose egg in game 1. He averaged 10 ppg in the season. It is stupid to say he didn't perform as well as Ray Allen, so Bibby must have done a good job. Luke Ridnour is a second year poing guard. Ray Allen is Ray Allen. There is no comparison, and Luke having a bad scoring performance cannot be credited to Bibby, but is simply a fact of life for a young guy who doesn't score. If you actually watched the series, however, you will realize that Ridnour still performed exceptionally well, directing the team fluently and making a few memorable moves on the court. Bibby is simply not a good defender. For however much else he has going for him, that's a fact. Deal with it.
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Hey Captain Bill answer this question for me, did Luke's 8 points a game beat the Kings?

See I didnt say anything bad about Luke Ridnour I was just correcting pilski when he said that bibby's man was killing him and thats why I brought up Ray because I guess he thought bibby was guarding Ray b/c I didn't see bibby gettin " killed" like pilski said.
 
I never said Luke Ridnour beat the Kings. Stop jumping to conclusions. Moderate your opinions a little bit, and stop making assumptions about what other people think. Also try to actually understand what someone is saying and don't just assume I'm saying whatever is the most convenient for you to attack. What I said was in response to the comment that Luke Ridnour didn't put up 45 points like Ray Allen did, therefore Mike Bibby is not a bad defender. Bibby got burned a few times, as normal, but looking at what Ridnour did or did not do in terms of point production is illogical because that is not his job. His job is to run the team, which he did pretty well. He also got beat himself several times. My favorite memory of that series is Brad leveling him with a screen.

Point is that Bibby is not a good defender. This is what spurred my comment:
"you said that that bibby couldn't stop his man to save his life, hum... well I didn't see Luke putting up 45 point games so get your facts straight." -jay dubb
I was responding to that comment and in the context of what was said. Ridnour was key in Seattle's victory and does not need to score to be productive. The fact that Ridnour didn't put up 45 points is not indicative of Bibby's defensive skills.

I also agree that one man can't defend an entire team and Bibby is not solely responsible for the Kings' defensive woes. That is absolutely and unnaceptable excuse. You could bring that same story to every player who can't play defense, and suddenly it's ok to contribute for only half the time you're on the court. Good play has to be demanded of everyone, all the time. No free passes, and I don't care who you are, especially on this team where we don't have the team defense to make up for individual deficiencies.
 
captain bill said:
Bibby is simply not a good defender. For however much else he has going for him, that's a fact. Deal with it.
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well if you would have read what I said earlier you would have saw what I said about that subject. Hey I don't talk about his d so i guess the real question here is can you deal with it b/c i can.
 
jay dubb said:
Hey Captain Bill answer this question for me, did Luke's 8 points a game beat the Kings?

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Technically yes. He averaged 8.4 pts a game in the post season. Take away his points and the series goes on with Sac up 3-2 in the series. So, away with your theory.
 
..................and i responded to your question. so, yes, ridnour did beat the kings. if bibby could have held him to 0 points a game, kings win two more.
 
thesanityannex said:
Technically yes. He averaged 8.4 pts a game in the post season. Take away his points and the series goes on with Sac up 3-2 in the series. So, away with your theory.
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LoL please tell me your joking? everybody knows that Ray beat us so just admit it already. The truth hurts
 
thesanityannex said:
..................and i responded to your question. so, yes, ridnour did beat the kings. if bibby could have held him to 0 points a game, kings win two more.
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Hey you say it with me RAY beat us
 
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