Blake Griffin

VF21 said:
Only to newbies. The "Any questions?" thread was a tradition around here for a long time.
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A lot of people still ask what TDOS means. I haven't heard you, or anyone for that matter, say "any questions" in a long time. Sounds good! :D

And about Blake Griffin, I REALLY do not have any questions now.

I still say we draft him and pick Wall or Rubio next year.
 
If Griffin were a one day wonder then I would have some doubts about him. Whether he'll be a great player or not is up for grabs, but to think he can't be a good player in the NBA is ridiculous. He goes out almost every game and puts up the numbers. He's a great athlete. He does all this without even having refined offensive skills. Is he 6'10" or 6'8"? I don't know. I do know that right now in the NBA there are a lot of PF's that aren't all that tall. Jefferson, Boozer, Love, Lee, West, Etc. Yet they all are very successful, so whats the problem?

Its true that Thabeet would bring something to the team that no one else in the draft would. But there are serious concerns about his offense. I'm not going to suddenly get all giddy over his sudden found ability to make some nice passes. That does not suddenly turn him into the next great assist machine in the NBA. I'm not trying to make a case for not drafting him. I admire what he can do. I also admire what Griffin can do. They both have flaws. Griffin has less of them, but Thabeet is 7'3". You choose!
 
This just sounds like the same aruments that we heard when everybody here wanted Sheldon Williams and others saying it wouldn't translate because he was to dependent on his size in college. Blake Griffin is also dependent on his size. I just think we are looking at another Sheldon Wiliams.
 
Entity said:
This just sounds like the same aruments that we heard when everybody here wanted Sheldon Williams and others saying it wouldn't translate because he was to dependent on his size in college. Blake Griffin is also dependent on his size. I just think we are looking at another Sheldon Wiliams.
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Griffin's game is nothing like Williams. The only thing that's remotely similar is that they are good college players about the same height.. Their style, athleticism, and pretty much everything else is different.

If you are comparing him to Williams then I will compare him to Brand, Boozer, and every other 6'8-6'9 PF in the league right now that is successful.
 
Gary said:
If you are comparing him to Williams then I will compare him to Brand, Boozer, and every other 6'8-6'9 PF in the league right now that is successful.
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Be careful comparing Griffin to Boozer. Entity's liable to claim it's not your own opinion but that you just read Griffin's NBA comparables on a draft website.
 
hehe.. I was comparing him to every 6'8-6'9 successful NBA player since He felt he should compare him to a 6'8 bust lol. Their games are nothing alike..

Then he goes into the Thabeet thread and starts comparing Thabeet to future HOFs haha. Crazy crazy world we live in.

Griffin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thabeet...

But if that's the case in the NBA too I am sure we will have a bunch of people suddenly go silent regarding the subject.

I did like Williams as a college player, but I knew we had no chance of drafting him. It's not like we did well in that draft anyway *ahem Douby*.


EDIT---- reminds me of another player that was strong against weak competition.....
So against UConn's weakest competition he averaged:
17 pts, 11 rbs, 4.3 blks............

Anyone guess who this guy is?

YEP HILTON ARMSTRONG! WOOHOO! Thabeet = Hilton Armstrong ;)

Sorry.. I have had too much coffee and I am sure some smartass will come along and say that was the only thing that was correct in this post :D
 
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Gary said:
Griffin's game is nothing like Williams. The only thing that's remotely similar is that they are good college players about the same height.. Their style, athleticism, and pretty much everything else is different.

If you are comparing him to Williams then I will compare him to Brand, Boozer, and every other 6'8-6'9 PF in the league right now that is successful.
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I wasn't comparing their games. I was comparing the attitude of the users of this board the way they wanted Williams. BTW since you brought it up. Sure Brand and Boozer have had nice careers. Boozer gets a little help from Deron Williams. Anyway I challenge you to go back and Watch how Brand and Boozer did when they got to the finals. Oh thats right they never could get the finals because Once they faced a big PF they lost. Happens everytime. It will continue to happen. lets do this. lets go over the PF's (that matter) in the league for the past 10 years or so and tell me which you would rather have as a building block to your rebuilding team.

Chris Webber
Kevin Garnnett
Tim Duncan
Ben Wallace
Sharief Abdur Rahim
Rasheed Wallace
Chris Bosh
Amare Stoudimire
Elton Brand
Emeka Okafor
Pau Gasol
Kenyon Martin
Calos Boozer
Rober Horry

Thats just a few Now see how many of those you would pick before you got to the smallish Boozer and Brand then check the height of those you picked
THEN check how far any of them got into the post season.
 
Gary said:
hehe.. I was comparing him to every 6'8-6'9 successful NBA player since He felt he should compare him to a 6'8 bust lol. Their games are nothing alike..

Then he goes into the Thabeet thread and starts comparing Thabeet to future HOFs haha. Crazy crazy world we live in.

Griffin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thabeet...

But if that's the case in the NBA too I am sure we will have a bunch of people suddenly go silent regarding the subject.

I did like Williams as a college player, but I knew we had no chance of drafting him. It's not like we did well in that draft anyway *ahem Douby*.


EDIT---- reminds me of another player that was strong against weak competition.....
So against UConn's weakest competition he averaged:
17 pts, 11 rbs, 4.3 blks............

Anyone guess who this guy is?

YEP HILTON ARMSTRONG! WOOHOO! Thabeet = Hilton Armstrong ;)

Sorry.. I have had too much coffee and I am sure some smartass will come along and say that was the only thing that was correct in this post :D
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You said I went into the Thabeet thread and comapred him to future HOF's. I said Tyson chandler and Ben Wallace. Now if YOU THINK those 2 are future HOF's then you have raised even more questions about your player analysis than ever.
 
Entity said:
You said I went into the Thabeet thread and comapred him to future HOF's. I said Tyson chandler and Ben Wallace. Now if YOU THINK those 2 are future HOF's then you have raised even more questions about your player analysis than ever.
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Yah I know.. Wallace might be but Chandler isn't. Was kind of overexaggerating.
 
not even Wallace he is kinda like Horry and Career role player. As Thabeet will be but its a role we definatley need. We have a PF for the future.
 
Entity said:
not even Wallace he is kinda like Horry and Career role player. As Thabeet will be but its a role we definatley need. We have a PF for the future.
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I think our current PF is more like a quality role player as opposed to a PF of the future.
 
Kings Faithful said:
We need to fill holes... not replace perfectly good ones. Draft Griffin, trade down. Im' stickin to it.
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I agree. Our starting PF is 6'11" and currently more than adequate with lots of upside. Griffin is maybe 6'9" but probably closer to 6'8" and obviously untested as an NBA PF. OKCity is salivating over possibility of getting their in-state hero. Kings likely will be holding a nice card to perhaps trade him outright to the Thunder in a draft day deal or trade down with them or another lottery team.
 
PurpleHaze said:
I agree. Our starting PF is 6'11" and currently more than adequate with lots of upside. Griffin is maybe 6'9" but probably closer to 6'8" and obviously untested as an NBA PF. OKCity is salivating over possibility of getting their in-state hero. Kings likely will be holding a nice card to perhaps trade him outright to the Thunder in a draft day deal or trade down with them or another lottery team.
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I can already see it...

"Kings trade John Salmons, the rights to Blake Griffin, and the rights to the rockets 20 pick to the Thunder for Jeff Green and the rights to Ricky Rubio"

YAY! Kings nation saved!
 
Entity said:
This just sounds like the same aruments that we heard when everybody here wanted Sheldon Williams and others saying it wouldn't translate because he was to dependent on his size in college. Blake Griffin is also dependent on his size. I just think we are looking at another Sheldon Wiliams.
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Number one: I never advocated drafting Sheldon Williams. I didn't like him then, and I don't like him now. How you can watch Griffin and see Williams is beyond me. They play nothing alike. Griffin is ten times the athlete that Sheldon is. At what point in Williams career did he score 40 points and grab 20 rebounds. Let me see. Its a big deal when Thabeet scores 30 and grabs 20. But when Griffin does it, its not because he's good. He's just lucky. Everybody just gets out of his way so he can grab his rebounds. There's no skill involved. He's just a regular, normal 6'8" dwarf that luckily averages a double double for the year.

If your asking who would I rather have, Garnnet or Griffin? I don't even think its worth my time to answer such a dumb question. Were not talking about whether he's going to be a superstar or not. Its about whether he's the best player in the draft or not. I honestly don't have the answer to that question. And we probably won't know for two or three years from now. This is all speculation, as is Griffin's height. Trying to tell his height on television is very difficult. There are times when Thompson looks the same height as Salmons and other times he looks an inch taller than Mikkie Moore. So as I said before, can we just wait please till the pre-draft camp, and then we'll know for sure.
 
I'd like teague as well but the ideal situation would be to get tje first pick then trade down to Oklahoma city and grab teague with pick or whoever else you want besides griffin cause they will obviously draft him and we can hopefully take a nice little piece from them along the way
 
Griffin looks 6'8" to me. Unless he develops a perimeter game and improved defense(a.k.a Kenyon Martin type of defense), I'm staying with the Thabeet bandwagon.
 
KingsCitizen said:
Griffin looks 6'8" to me. Unless he develops a perimeter game and improved defense(a.k.a Kenyon Martin type of defense), I'm staying with the Thabeet bandwagon.
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This has been my exact feeling of Griffin the whole time. He is a very good player, and probably the most "for sure" player in this draft as far as being good at the nba level. But I feel that if he is 6'8'' he would need a mean outside game, i.e. david west, which griffin does not have. I think that will definitely keep him limited until he develops a solid mid-range game. If he can get that down, he can be a very very good player in the NBA.
 
Blake griffin is a legit 6'10 player

He is not 6'8 or 6'8 he is 6'10 and he is not some shurb he is actually a very talented player with a power game people compare his game to a carlos boozer/ charles barkley type player and if your looking for rubio to come and be the savior thats not happening any time soon..hes only coming out in 2010
 
bebina said:
He is not 6'8 or 6'8 he is 6'10 and he is not some shurb he is actually a very talented player with a power game people compare his game to a carlos boozer/ charles barkley type player and if your looking for rubio to come and be the savior thats not happening any time soon..hes only coming out in 2010
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I really like Griffin but I don't think for a second he's 6'10 even in shoes.. I believe he's a good 6'8 w/o shoes, and 6'9 in shoes though. Not that it matters because he's got the most upside in the draft and talent.
 
bebina said:
He is not 6'8 or 6'8 he is 6'10 and he is not some shurb he is actually a very talented player with a power game people compare his game to a carlos boozer/ charles barkley type player and if your looking for rubio to come and be the savior thats not happening any time soon..hes only coming out in 2010
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I think it is pretty premature for people to compare his game to barkley or boozer. Barkley had wayyy more perimeter and outside skill than griffin has (obviously i realize griffin is at a very early point in his development). I dont think we can say griffin will have the power game that barkley had, when weve only seen blake overpowering a bunch of 20 yr old college kids. lets wait till hes at the next level before we start giving him the hall of famer comparisons.

With all that said I think griffin has what it takes to be a very good player imo.
 
Measurements with out shoes taken from the pre-draft measurements list, along with their standing reach. In some cases the standing reach measurement is not available, because it was before they started taking it.

Paul Milsap: 6'6.25", SR- 8'9.50"
Richard Hendrix: 6'6.75", SR- 9'0"
Sheldon Williams: 6'7.50", SR- 8.8"
Michael Beasley: 6'7", SR- 8'11"
Kevin Love: 6'7.75", SR- 8'10"
Jeff Green: 6'7.75", SR- 8'7"
Kurt Thomas: 6'7.75", No standing reach.
David Lee: 6'7.75", SR- 8'10.50"
Carlos Boozer: 6'7.75", SR- 9'0.50"
Udonis Haslem: 6'7.75", SR- 8'11"
Elton Brand: 6'8.25", SR- 9'2"
David West: 6'8.25", SR- 9'0.50"
Al Jefferson: 6'8.50", SR- 9'2"
Adonal Foyle: 6'8.50", No standing reach.
Amare Stoudemire: 6'8.50", SR- 9'0.50"
Al Holford: 6'8.75", SR- 8'11"
Emeka Okafor: 6'8.75", SR- 9'2.50"
Theo Ratliff: 6'8.75", No standing reach.
Shawn Kemp: 6'8.75", No standing reach.
Nick Collison: 6'8.75", SR- 9'0"
Chris Webber: 6'9", No standing reach.
Dwight Howard: 6'9", SR- 9'3.50"
Charlie Villanueva: 6'9", SR- 9'1"
Nene Hilario: 6'9.25", SR- 9'1"
Rasheed Wallace: 6'9.75", No standing reach.
La Marcus Aldridge: 6'10", SR- 9'2"
Chris Bosh: 6'10.25", SR- 9'1"
Spencer Hawes: 6'10.50", SR- 9'2"
Joakim Noah: 6'10.50", SR- 8'10.50"
Greg Oden: 6'11", SR- 9'4"
Tyson Chandler: 6'11.50", SR- 9'2"
Tim Duncan: 6'11.25", No standing reach.
Vlade Divic: 7'1", No standing reach.
Dikembe Mutombo: 7'1.25", No standing reach.

Now I didn't get everyone in this, but I think I included enough names that people recognize to make my point. Which is by the way, that there really aren't that many giant PF's out there anymore. Toward the end I included some centers just for the fun of it. People are worried about Griffin being only 6'9 or 6'8 inches, and therefore being too small to be sucessful in the league. Well judging by this list, if he's in the 6'8 to 6'8.50" range, he's right up there with the rest of the giants.

If you look at the list closely, you'll notice that the most sucessful rebounders are the one's with the tallest standing reach. Al Jefferson is only 6'8.50" tall, but has a 9'2" standing reach. How many people were surprised to find out that Stoudemire is only 6'8.50" tall. Theo Ratliff played center at 6'8.75", and was one of the leagues top shot blockers at one time. My point is, that if you can play, you can play. And no one can predict for sure how any player will turn out. Will anyone be stunned, that if at the pre-draft camp Thabeet measures out at 7'1.50" instead of 7'3", and will it matter? No, it won't! Because he's still a skilled shotblocker, even if he's an inch and a half shorter.

I could do this same equation for the shooting guards. Lets just say that if Harden is a legit 6'5", he's as tall as some of the NBA players that are playing SF. John Salmons is a little over 6'5". The great Bonzi was 6'5". Jim Jackson was a little over 6'5". Don't get caught up totaly in this height thing. Its not a bad thing to have it, but its not the be all, end all. Beno is one of the taller Pt guards in the NBA without shoes. So far, it hasn't made much of a difference. Chris Paul is under 6'. Not a fair comparison, I know. But why is that? Because one of them is very talented, and height has nothing to do with it.
 
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