Best Artest to West Trade Scenarios

[venom_7]

feel free to merge all the other ones into this thread or vis-versa


I think this season started with trade mayhem, started by Boston. Since then, there have been little tiny moves here and there, but nothing beach splashing until the Lakers mortgaged their future for Pau Gasol. This trade wasn't bad for the Lakers because their future wasn't any good anyway.

Because of this, Pheonix semi-panicked and sent Marion away for Shaq. Dallas, worried that they were falling behind, tried to sell their soul for Jason Kidd, a deal which I still think will happen.

So the objective remains to ship out Ron and to who. The who part doesn't really matter because the Kings won't be realistically fighting for anything in the next few years anyway.

The teams that have yet to make crazy stupid trades to keep up are Denver, Houston, and Portland (already sliding out of the race.)

Denver seems to be the team most interested in Ron, giving us the shaft with the Kleiza/Najera trade, or keeping it even with a Nene swap.

Houston doesn't need Ron unless Adelman wants to play small ball, and they would be better off making a play for Jermaine O'Neal.

Portland is the other viable option for an Artest trade, because they have plenty of young pieces and the management has shown that they are willing to give up draft picks.

Houston could do a Mike James/Kirk Snyder/pick swap for Artest

where as Portland could do Raef LaFrentz/1 or 2 first rounders for Ron Artest and Kenny Thomas.

just some thoughts.

also, who in the hell decided to pay Raef LaFrentz 12 million dollars?
it comes off the books at the end of next season.

 

[Dime Dropper]

Portland are probably the last team in league that would trade for Artest. They are doing what we should have started doing - rebuilding. Good as they are, they are not winning anything right now. They have an excellent young team and an abundance of talent. They will be contending in a few years for a very long time. Artest makes absolutely zero sense. They are not going to give up any young talent or picks for an unstable ball hog who won't even be there next year.

I think Denver and GS are the most likely trade partners, more-so Denver. I think we will get either Kleiza or a pick from them, preferrably a pick as this is a deep draft and although Kleiza is a good young player, we are fairly stacked at his position.

 

[fnordius]

Denver seems to be the team most interested in Ron, giving us the shaft with the Kleiza/Najera trade, or keeping it even with a Nene swap.

Denver's offer is supposedly Najera + pick, while our demand is supposedly Nene + Kleiza, with Kleiza being the sticking point. This is understandable from Denver's perspective, since Kleiza is a promising kid, and Denver doesn't have the cash to re-sign Ron for anything over MLE this summer anyway. It makes no sense for them to give up a good youngster for a 3-month rental.

And, as little as I like Najera, I don't think that Denver's offer is remotely "the shaft," it is an ender and a draft pick for a few months of a guy who cannot change how this season goes for us. If Ron leads us to a 45-win season, or spends the rest of the year riding the pine, nothing changes for the Kings. His value to us is zero, so the only way we can get shafted is to accept a liability in return for him. And the Najera+pick offer is the only one we've heard about which included no liabilities. I'd take it in a heartbeat. Nothing else I've heard about interests me in the least.

 

[Gary]

Wonder if last nights showing of Williams was to maybe say "if you take Artest you get this rebounding machine".

 

[fnordius]

Wonder if last nights showing of Williams was to maybe say "if you take Artest you get this rebounding machine".

I wouldn't rule it out, but I sure hope not. Williams for Kleiza is so exactly the opposite of the direction this roster needs to go... if I heard that we were trying to do that, I'd say that Geoff should get some kind of help, right away. If Britney Spears can turn her life around, anybody can.

 

[NewArena]

Wonder if last nights showing of Williams was to maybe say "if you take Artest you get this rebounding machine".

That is a Possibility, but a VERY slight one. I think Justins' playing time had more to do with Houston grabbing every rebound in sight to begin the game. And everyone here knows how Coach Reggie is, if you play sucky he takes you out and if you play hard and well, then he will keep you in.

Anyway as far as trading ron goes, i have no idea. I have a feeling that were talking about artest sooo much lately that it will end up in someone else being traded from the team....like bibby for example.

 

[ovrush]

I wouldnt entirely rule out San Antonio either. They're starting to look a bit old and have some young guys overseas and picks they could use. Artest and Bowen locking up the perimeter with Duncan behind htem is an interesting thought, especially with other Western teams making big moves.

 

[Gary]

I really do think that JW might be part of a trade. The three times JW got more than 10 minutes he has averaged 16 minutes per game 6ppg 10rpg 0.7bpg 1.7spg.. Not bad stats for about 15 minutes per game.

I can see a trade that includes JW to Denver w/ Artest for a 1st round pick, and either Kleiza, or Nene (rather have Nene).

OR Maybe sending Artest to Seattle for Wilcox. This would let the Sonics concentrate on developing Collison.

I really can't think of any other trade.

 

[Dime Dropper]

I really do think that JW might be part of a trade. The three times JW got more than 10 minutes he has averaged 16 minutes per game 6ppg 10rpg 0.7bpg 1.7spg.. Not bad stats for about 15 minutes per game.

I can see a trade that includes JW to Denver w/ Artest for a 1st round pick, and either Kleiza, or Nene (rather have Nene).

OR Maybe sending Artest to Seattle for Wilcox. This would let the Sonics concentrate on developing Collison.

I really can't think of any other trade.

That's very unlikely. They're rebuilding and that would just take mins away from Green and even Durant.

 

[Gary]

That's very unlikely. They're rebuilding and that would just take mins away from Green and even Durant.

I am not sold on Green, but the whole point of this trade was for Seattle to let Artest go at the end of the year, and cancel out Wilcox's contract. That would leave Seattle at about 45mil next season and they would be able to sign a decent FA to go with Green, and Durant. If not then they would have to hold onto Wilcox for another year.

But yah, I agree it's VERY unlikely unless they were looking to dump about 7mil next year.

 

[whozit]

I really do think that JW might be part of a trade. The three times JW got more than 10 minutes he has averaged 16 minutes per game 6ppg 10rpg 0.7bpg 1.7spg.. Not bad stats for about 15 minutes per game.

I can see a trade that includes JW to Denver w/ Artest for a 1st round pick, and either Kleiza, or Nene (rather have Nene).

OR Maybe sending Artest to Seattle for Wilcox. This would let the Sonics concentrate on developing Collison.

I really can't think of any other trade.

Justin's contract is the same type as the Dallas player who blocked the Dallas/New Jersey trade. His is a one year contract giving limited bird rights. Any trade involving him would have to have his approval. Not saying whether he would agree to any or not, but it makes things a little more tricky.

 

[KingsCitizen]

I think East teams are much better partners for an Artest/Bibby trade. It's still a very close race for number 6-8 spots with at least still 6 teams capable of securing that position after adding a good caliber player like Artest/Bibby. Miami is already way out of contention. So the Shawn Marion trade didn't really tilt the East ranks for this season.

How about a trade for Artest to Atlanta for Childress and Shelden Williams. Williams (6'9" Bulky PF) is a cheaper version(3 Mil. then max 5 Mil. by 2011) of Nene. Plus this kid is 5th overall pick of 2006. Childress is also a good rotation wing player.

If the Hawks will pull the trigger on this. Their sure for a playoff berth this season. And maybe Artest may just not opt out with playing alongside Josh Smith, Joe Johnson, and Al Horford. Since Atlanta may just have enough space next season to resign Artest.

 

[Smills91]

Artest/Thomas for Nene/Najera/Denver pick

Get er done!

 

[VF21]

Wonder if last nights showing of Williams was to maybe say "if you take Artest you get this rebounding machine".

I seriously doubt if Petrie packages Williams to get rid of Artest. He's liked Justin for a long time; if he didn't, he wouldn't have picked him back up after his stint in the D-league.

Justin Williams is, I believe, a part of the future plans of the Kings. Probably not as a starter for a variety of reasons including his lack of basketball IQ, but he could easily become a integral part of a solid bench.

Petrie isn't going to do anything drastic to get a team to take Artest. If we don't get a decent offer, I suspect he'll wait and see if Artest actually opts out or not and THEN work on moving him.

As the West continues to shift and position for the playoffs, I truly think we'll get better offers. The Artest we saw last night could make a significant difference in the playoffs..and sooner or later one of the West GMs is going to put in the ear plugs and make the call.

 

[venom_7]

Portland are probably the last team in league that would trade for Artest. They are doing what we should have started doing - rebuilding. Good as they are, they are not winning anything right now. They have an excellent young team and an abundance of talent. They will be contending in a few years for a very long time. Artest makes absolutely zero sense. They are not going to give up any young talent or picks for an unstable ball hog who won't even be there next year.

That is all very true and I also took into consideration that Portland swapped out all their various attitude pieces and they wouldn't want Ron anyway. My suggestion was in hopes that there management was stupid. They have to realize that even trying to get to the playoffs this year could hurt them in the long run. While teams like New Orleans, Portland, Seattle, and Minnesota are all gonna be good in about 4 or 5 years, San Antonio, Pheonix, Dallas, and even Houston are all going to be very old then and not competing anymore unless they clean house. The Lakers, Kings, Warriors, and Jazz are all at the point where they could go either way with a few (good or bad) moves.

 

[Packt]

Artest for Darius Miles and Portland's 1st.

Pros and cons for both sides, but one has a shorter contract, potentially expiring. The other would be more adept at being a role player, if he ever plays again.

 

[Gary]

Artest for Darius Miles and Portland's 1st.

Pros and cons for both sides, but one has a shorter contract, potentially expiring. The other would be more adept at being a role player, if he ever plays again.

No to Miles.. He has 2.5 years left on contract, and I am unsure whether or not he will be back to his normal self. And even if he is, his normal self isn't very good.

"Miles underwent microfracture surgery -- the most serious of knee procedures -- on his right knee in November 2006, 11 months after he had arthroscopic surgery on his left knee. Recovery from microfracture surgeries typically takes from six to 12 months, but Miles was considered to have had a more serious microfracture surgery than those performed on Blazers rookie Greg Oden and former Blazers forward Zach Randolph. His Fantasy appeal remains minimal for now."

 

[fnordius]

Artest for Darius Miles and Portland's 1st.

For Portland's first from 2007, sure! But Portland's first for 2008 isn't going to be so hot, I think I'll pass.

 

[Heuge]

For Portland's first from 2007, sure! But Portland's first for 2008 isn't going to be so hot, I think I'll pass.

It will be a lottery.

 

[GregR31]

For Portland's first from 2007, sure! But Portland's first for 2008 isn't going to be so hot, I think I'll pass.

Yes, Portlands 2007 will most likely be a lottery. In 2008 they will probably be a playoff team since they will most likely just keep getting better and with the addition of Greg Oden.

 

[VF21]

Yes, Portlands 2007 will most likely be a lottery. In 2008 they will probably be a playoff team since they will most likely just keep getting better and with the addition of Greg Oden.

Portland's 2007 was Greg Oden. I suspect you meant their 2008, right?

 

[GregR31]

Portland's 2007 was Greg Oden. I suspect you meant their 2008, right?

Yeah, Lol. I'm still not used to the new year yet.

 

[Kingster]

Amick reported a possible Artest for Aaron Brooks (Houston), and the Rockets would have to throw in somebody to make it work $-wise.

I'd do that deal in a heartbeat. Yeah, you have a lot point guards, but Bibby is going to be gone one of these days....Brooks can shoot the lights out and is athletic. Makes sense from Houston's viewpoint because Adelman (thinks he) can handle Artest. Also, they are on the cusp of getting into the playoffs and Adelman has seen first hand the adrenaline that Artest can provide to a team.

 

[VF21]

If the Rockets are interested, the Warriors should be worried, along with at least a couple of other WC teams. Putting T-Mac, Artest and Yao Ming on the court at the same time could shift the scales a little more towards the Rockets - or at least get them further in the playoffs.

The next week is gonna be interesting, to say the least. I'm predicting AT LEAST five hot rumors about Artest before the trade deadline.

 

[fnordius]

I read where Amick suggested that we trade Artest for Scola, Brooks and Francis, but said that he knew of no talks between the teams. I think that Houston's management would be insane to throw away their future like that, but if some other deal with Brooks is in the offing, I might be fine with that. Or one with Scola, for that matter. Whatever we can fast-talk Houston into.

My only reservation regarding a trade like that would be that we're short on roster space, and the least useful of our players have too much money left on their contracts to be the most likely waiver targets. We would probably end up keeping vets who can't play over younger players who can. So if we take more players back than we trade out, we could end up shooting ourselves in the foot to some extent.

Can we buy KT out now, pretty please?

 

[Vlade4GM]

I read where Amick suggested that we trade Artest for Scola, Brooks and Francis, but said that he knew of no talks between the teams. I think that Houston's management would be insane to throw away their future like that, but if some other deal with Brooks is in the offing, I might be fine with that. Or one with Scola, for that matter. Whatever we can fast-talk Houston into.

My only reservation regarding a trade like that would be that we're short on roster space, and the least useful of our players have too much money left on their contracts to be the most likely waiver targets. We would probably end up keeping vets who can't play over younger players who can. So if we take more players back than we trade out, we could end up shooting ourselves in the foot to some extent.

Can we buy KT out now, pretty please?

It would be nice to get KT off the roster, but I don't know if I'm ready to accept that we're stuck with KT's contract for the duration. I'm holding out hope that somehow we can pawn him off to some stupid team COUGHknicksCOUGH.

 

[venom_7]

Amick reported a possible Artest for Aaron Brooks (Houston), and the Rockets would have to throw in somebody to make it work $-wise.

I'd do that deal in a heartbeat. Yeah, you have a lot point guards, but Bibby is going to be gone one of these days....Brooks can shoot the lights out and is athletic. Makes sense from Houston's viewpoint because Adelman (thinks he) can handle Artest. Also, they are on the cusp of getting into the playoffs and Adelman has seen first hand the adrenaline that Artest can provide to a team.

Dang, Ron and Bonzi again. Spurs better look out if this happens again, except this time Rick has Tracy MacGrady and Yao Ming to help out a little bit. Jeez.

 

[LA King Fan II]

If Kobe takes 6 weeks off for his finger, maybe Ron-Ron could keep the Laker ship afloat with Pau. IMO are one of the few teams that might put up with him.

 

[ParniValjak]

OK so how is this for a deal?! Too good for the Kings?!

Los Angeles Lakers

Incoming Players

Kenny Thomas
Salary: $7,875,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 1.4 REB: 2.7 AST: 0.6 PER: 2.64

Ron Artest
Salary: $7,400,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 19.0 REB: 5.7 AST: 3.9 PER: 17.64

Outgoing Players: Lamar Odom

Orlando Magic

Incoming Players

Brad Miller
Salary: $10,500,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 14.4 REB: 9.7 AST: 3.6 PER: 17.58

Outgoing Players: Pat Garrity, Adonal Foyle, Carlos Arroyo, 2008 first round draft pick

Sacramento Kings

Incoming Players

Pat Garrity
Salary: $3,818,750 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 1.7 REB: 1.5 AST: 0.5 PER: -0.08

Jason Williams
Salary: $8,937,500 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 8.7 REB: 2.0 AST: 4.8 PER: 12.08

Ricky Davis
Salary: $6,819,000 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 13.1 REB: 4.1 AST: 2.9 PER: 11.10

2008 first round draft pick (from Miami)

Outgoing Players: Brad Miller, Kenny Thomas, Ron Artest

Miami Heat

Incoming Players

Adonal Foyle
Salary: $1,219,590 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 1.9 REB: 2.7 AST: 0.2 PER: 11.26

Lamar Odom
Salary: $13,248,596 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 13.2 REB: 9.9 AST: 3.4 PER: 14.80

Carlos Arroyo
Salary: $4,000,000 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 7.0 REB: 1.9 AST: 3.5 PER: 13.03

2008 First Round Draft pick (from Orlando)

Outgoing Players: Jason Williams, Ricky Davis, 2008 First Round Draft pick

Why we do it?! Obvious reasons! Clear contracts of Artest, Kenny and Miller off the books for expiring deals and a lottery draft pick that could end up being a top 3 pick. This would allow us to have 2 lottery picks in this year's draft.

Why Orlando does it?! They just about get a perfect big to complement Dwight for a bunch of scrubs with expiring contracts and their 1st round pick which would be a late pick anyway.

Why Lakers do it?! They get toughness at SF that would complement Kobe, Gasol and Bynum perfectly. With Artest their window of opportunity is just prolonged and Phil is one coach that can control Ron.

Why Miami does it?! Reilly gets back a player that he always liked in Odom. He also gets a PG in Arroyo and still get a pick in the first round for their pick and some expiring contract that are unlikely to be back next year anyway!

Thoughts?!