Bee: Residents closely split over arena

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http://www.sacbee.com/content/news/story/14278701p-15087523c.html

Residents closely split over arena
Most say Arco Arena needs to be replaced, but support is divided between downtown and Natomas sites.
By Ryan Lillis -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 12:01 am PDT Sunday, July 16, 2006


It was more a neighborhood conversation than a scientific survey, and many folks who shared their thoughts around town Saturday voiced support for a new arena for the Kings. It was the matter of where to build the thing and whether to tax people to pay for it that stirred disagreement.

Some say tear down Arco Arena and build a new home for the Kings in the same North Natomas location. Others consider a downtown arena to be a great step toward turning the neighborhood into a destination.

Of course, some city denizens don't much care either way, but they're about as easy to find as a downtown street without heat waves rising from it.

"We're the capital city, and everything needs to be new," said Thomas Morris, rather enthusiastically as he took a break from working in the kitchen at Fanny Ann's in Old Sacramento. "We have, like, 150 new restaurants but the same old Arco Arena. This is where it has to be; it would change this place."

Morris is a fan and said he's willing to go beyond a quarter-cent sales tax increase that could go before voters in November to help pay for the new arena.

"I'll go to 50 cents, a dollar," he said, loud enough to scare a few nearby tourists.

It's an issue with growing significance not just because it involves possible downtown development, but because it could help determine the Kings' future in Sacramento.

"They can't go," said Benji Garnett, walking in Old Sacramento with his family. The Sacramento native said he understands a downtown arena's appeal, especially "if you're into business and all that stuff."

It's assumed that businesses -- especially those within walking distance of the Union Pacific railyard, the most talked-about site for a new arena -- stand to benefit from the influx of people -- and their money -- a new arena would attract.

But some local entrepreneurs aren't so sure.

"If you think they have a big mess now, wait until all that traffic arrives," said Marilyn Ritchey, who has been driving one of the horse-drawn carriages in Old Sacramento for longer than she cares to remember.

"It isn't going to help us here. I find people who come to sporting events, they come by, walk through and walk out. They're not here for the history or to shop. They're just curious."

Besides, Ritchey said, more people mean more cars. And that means more things for her horse, Ben, to dodge.

Those same concerns -- minus the horse -- echoed inside a mini-mart on the corner of L and Eighth streets, where Pete Moore offered this bit of wisdom:

"The traffic would be so bad that no one would come down here. You already have too many people here. It's already overpopulated."

As for concerns that the Kings might head out of town if a new home isn't built?

"Let them go; I'll call their bluff," Moore said, ignoring the fact that the Kings' owners, the Maloof family, have a few things going on in Las Vegas.

Two friends sitting across from each other at a table inside Westfield Downtown Plaza illustrated the division among Sacramentans about the arena business.

Jim Martin, who moved here from Los Angeles last fall, saw how the Staples Center helped pump life into downtown Los Angeles when it opened in 1999 and is on board for the same in Sacramento.

But his friend, Glen Arruda, said any tax increase would "make it hard on people who are already having a hard time now," and he said he would rather see the money spent on affordable housing downtown.

"As far as I'm concerned," Martin countered, "it would bring a lot of money into the city."

Tyrone Somerville hears these conversations all day.

A self-described "street guy" who has spent most of the past three years living in and walking throughout downtown, Somerville might have a well-informed perspective on the issue.

"I hear them talking all day, and the folks seem to want a new arena," he said. "They want it so we have a city spirit."

About the writer: The Bee's Ryan Lillis can be reached at (916) 321-1085 or rlillis@sacbee.com.
 
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A downtown arena would work, despite traffic concerns.

Charge $25+ for parking in the vicinity of downtown, a high price should discourage people from parking close. They can have satellite parking all around the town (Cal Expo, Florin, Natomas, Sac State) and offer a shuttle by means of trains. In fact, they can have a train station underneath the concourse like the setup for TD Banknorth Garden and Madison Square Garden.

Madison Square Garden is in the middle of Manhattan, but they manage to move around (Penn Station).
 

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With light rail right near the facility parking shouldn't be as big a problem as with other locations. I know I would take rail there to avoid parking fees (probably cheaper, too) and the logistical headaches sure to follow getting in and out of there.
 
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With light rail right near the facility parking shouldn't be as big a problem as with other locations. I know I would take rail there to avoid parking fees (probably cheaper, too) and the logistical headaches sure to follow getting in and out of there.
I'd take light rail for sure. That would be a great way to get in and out and cheaper in many ways. Besides, the way to liven up any downtown is to get people out of their cars and make an area pleasant to walk around in. I took the El and walked a couple of blocks to the United Center. Nothing special about the sutrrounding area there, but it sure was a great way to get to the arena. In and out, no problem and there was a full house that night, about 21,000, I think.
 
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It's amazing what a different tone this article has. Most other articles would have you believe that very few Sacramento residents want a new arena. This one makes it sound like a much more popular idea.
 
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All for saving parking fees, but the parking area is really not far from the arena area on the proposed site map, just in case you miss the bus (always my fear)
 
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Basically, I think the railyard site will just liven up the area between downtown and Richards Blvd. Seeing as they finally connected the two with another street other than CA-160...
 
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I think that if they want to sell the idea of an arena they need to do alot more positive articles, instead of the ones with all the negitives. i REALLLLLLLLY hope that this thing gets on the ballot, the city really needs to get this done!!
 
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With light rail right near the facility parking shouldn't be as big a problem as with other locations. I know I would take rail there to avoid parking fees (probably cheaper, too) and the logistical headaches sure to follow getting in and out of there.

You can not pay me enough to use light rail.
 

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Basically, I think the railyard site will just liven up the area between downtown and Richards Blvd. Seeing as they finally connected the two with another street other than CA-160...
It could also do wonders for Old Sacramento and the riverfront.

kingsfans52miller - The problem is that the Sacramento Bee is the only large daily in the area and they, for whatever reason, have not given this topic much positive press. It's almost as though they were controlled by R.E. Graswich, who hates and detests the "billionaire Maloofs" and all they stand for...

Even though they're a little late to the party, it appears the Bee may have come to its senses and realized that without the Kings they'll have a lot less to report on... And that means fewer people buying their paper and fewer reporters needed to cover events.
 

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You can not pay me enough to use light rail.
I've never used light rail in Sacramento (but have in other cities). I'm assuming (maybe falsely) that the experience is similar.

My problem is, light rail in Sac doesn't go anywhere it needs to.

International airport? Nope.
ARCO Arena? Nope.
Raley Field? Nope.
Sac State? Nope.
Elk Grove - one of the fastest growing cities in the state and the major artery-clogger for 99 and I-5? Nope.

I mean, what's the point? They've doomed ridership #s before it was ever built by not taking it anywhere....
 
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Light rail does go to Folsom now ha ha. Ya they should expand light rail to all those places mentioned above. I had to ride it last week because my car was in the shop and it was horrible. =( I think if we get this arena downtown do like they used to have when the Padres played at Jack Murphy they had trains sorta like light rail that dropped u off right in the parking lot of the stadium and it ran an hour after the games were over it was great.
 
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If anyone has been to Salt Lake City or any other major metropolis that has a downtown arena, they will tell you that parking is no big deal!

EXAMPLE: I go to school in Idaho, and every time the Kings play the Jazz, I make the 3-hour trek down to SLC to see the game. Once I'm off the freeway, I'm able to pull my car as close as 1 block away from the arena and park for less than ARCO in a business parking lot. Then getting out of the arena, I get out to my car easily with little to no hassle, and pull out onto the sidestreets and am back on the freeway in less that 5 minutes from the time I get in my car. I have made the trek now 4 times, and I've had the same experience every time.

My point is that with teh downtown location of the arena, people have so many options of how to get in and out of the arena, that traffic won't be as bad as you might think. Plus, the rough image the Light Rail sometimes has will slowly be diminished as more and more people use it for public transportation to the game.

Any time a downtown arena or stadium is built, it immediately bolsters the image and quality of that part of town. Camden Yards is a perfect example. That part of Baltimore was one of the worst parts before the Orioles bought that whole city block and built the stadium there. Now it's one of the nicest parts of the city, and one of the more happening places of downtown...despite the fact that the Orioles aren't that good. A downtown arena here would do exactly the same.
 
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Every time I've been to Staples in LA, I've been surprised how well the surface street traffic moves to get people out of the arena lots...much quicker than Arco.
 
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You can not pay me enough to use light rail.
Had a bad experience? I used to commute by light rail and loved it. I can't tell you how much money it saved me. The only unpleasant time I had was coming back from Raley's field. Just had to walk too far, late at night and wait in a not so nice area. But everything was closed, too. If there was more nightlife, activity and people around, I don't think it would be so bad. Plus the arena would be a lot closer.