(Bee) Putting faith in Petrie: Q & A with Gavin Maloof

[fnordius]

I think it's also debatable what one should be looking for in terms of value. Would you, for example, trade SAR and Artest for Theo Ratliff (whose contract ends in a year, and is a bit cheaper) and swap our #10-11 draft pick for a #4? That is a trade which would have hurt our game this year pretty badly, but would have been a step towards ending contract hell, and would have significantly helped us in the lottery at the same time.

Getting a great deal for your team doesn't necessarily mean getting equal or better players. In some circumstances, it might mean getting Potapenko.

 

[tyrant]

i believe that if this team doesnt wana remain small market they're gonna have to compete. not even junior high students deserve to watch such crap as we all saw this season. why keep getting younger???? we're already young enough!! martin, price, garcia, williams. these are 4 promising/VERY young players that can be great role players or stars in this league. we need a good draft selection and a trade that'll either send thomas, rahim, miller,or artest away

 

[Vlade4GM]

I think it's also debatable what one should be looking for in terms of value. Would you, for example, trade SAR and Artest for Theo Ratliff (whose contract ends in a year, and is a bit cheaper) and swap our #10-11 draft pick for a #4? That is a trade which would have hurt our game this year pretty badly, but would have been a step towards ending contract hell, and would have significantly helped us in the lottery at the same time.

Getting a great deal for your team doesn't necessarily mean getting equal or better players. In some circumstances, it might mean getting Potapenko.

I doubt many here would be upset about that.

 

[ParniValjak]

I'm not assuming deals are being passed by, I'm complaining they didn't make any deals happen. I highly doubt that if they shopped Artest and Bibby there would be nothing but crap offers. I'm just being reasonable, I'm not expecting anything too high or too low. The important aspect is getting younger and better capspace. Bibby came off of a career year and Artest had just rejuvinated a team to the playoffs, can you imagine their stock being higher? It's not doing something for the sake of doing something. It's doing something in order to start over and make this process as quick and painless as possible. Bibby and Artest aren't going to do anything for our future unless they're traded for valuable rebuilding pieces.

I agree RE Bibby but Artest was a completely different situation. Bibby should have been traded after last season as he was coming off a career year and his value would have been at its peak.

Artest getting us to the play offs doesn't erase all those other things that were happening before he left Indiana. He was playing some very good baketball before requesting a trade from the Pacers. The time to shop Artest was the trade dealine THIS year. Last year you wouldn't have gotten anywhere near what you would have received for him at the trade deadline. Or just before it.

Now we have 2 players that are "damaged goods" for a number of reasons. Bibby is coming off a very crappy season and his contract is huge. Artest is coming off a great season but his off-field issues continue to be rearing their ugly head again.

I am all for shopping them all off and getting the rebuilding phase off the ground. However, I am not for getting rid off them for the sake of it. If we are getting a bad contracts and scrubs in return, I am not interested. If we are getting young players, expiring contracts and draft picks then lets get it done.

 

[Kingzrool]

My point is you ALWAYS assume that deals are being passed by and keep belaboring the point. I am merely playing devil's advocate to your constant harping.

We have no idea what has been offered. While I, like you, want to see movement and quickly, I choose to give them (Kings front office) the benefit of the doubt. I just look at how the Webber trade ended up and see the same thing happening if we followed your headlong rush to "do anything, as long as something is being done"-type attitude.

I am with Warhawk.

GP may not be God, but he is unquestionably a capable GM and arguably one of the better. It is comforting to know that he is looking over all offers. It is not necessarily a matter of looking to trade for over-value, but waiting for someone that is willing to trade for full value and that works for Kings.

There are always considerations that we are not aware of that GP is very intimate with, bet on it.

 

[Vlade4GM]

I am with Warhawk.

GP may not be God, but he is unquestionably a capable GM and arguably one of the better. It is comforting to know that he is looking over all offers. It is not necessarily a matter of looking to trade for over-value, but waiting for someone that is willing to trade for full value and that works for Kings.

There are always considerations that we are not aware of that GP is very intimate with, bet on it.

and that will obviously happen now since their trade values are so much better than they were last year

 

[Warhawk]

and that will obviously happen now since their trade values are so much better than they were last year

Hindsight is 20-20. Easy to say now, but we had really made a push to the PO last year and given the Spurs a good series. Artest was a beast and Bonzi was thrashing the Spurs.

By the time Bonzi screwed himself over, we were screwed too because he took so long and others were off the market. You can argue that we should have gone after others instead, but this team was clicking pretty well at the end of the year and made a good run to get in the PO. Bringing Bonzi back made a lot of sense.

 

[Bricklayer]

Sorry, but no.

Doing nothing this summer was just stupid. I said it at the end of the summer, I say it now without having to worry in the least about hindsight. It was stupid. The only excuse Geoff can have for being stupid, other than apparently not seeing things as clearly as I, a lowly fan, did, is that he was hindered by outside forces -- namely the Maloofs (my general scenario beign that he heard them blathering about champioships and just let them hang themselves by way of a lesson). Otherwise...just dumb. Once you lose Bonzi, actually, even if you kept Bonzi, there was absolutley no way you could come out of that summer with no further movement. It was dumb. And the proof is in the pudding. The only question is at who's feet does the dumbness fall?

 

[Vlade4GM]

Hindsight is 20-20. Easy to say now, but we had really made a push to the PO last year and given the Spurs a good series. Artest was a beast and Bonzi was thrashing the Spurs.

By the time Bonzi screwed himself over, we were screwed too because he took so long and others were off the market. You can argue that we should have gone after others instead, but this team was clicking pretty well at the end of the year and made a good run to get in the PO. Bringing Bonzi back made a lot of sense.

omg, it was a meaningless flare up. This team was never going anywhere in the playoffs period.

No, it's not hindsight. Bibby just had the best year of his career and it's always a good time to trade Artest because you never know when he's going to blow up and kill his trade value (which he did by the way). We had to rebuild, we've known this for over two years. Anything else is just fool's gold.

 

[Kingster]

Hindsight is 20-20. Easy to say now, but we had really made a push to the PO last year and given the Spurs a good series. Artest was a beast and Bonzi was thrashing the Spurs.

By the time Bonzi screwed himself over, we were screwed too because he took so long and others were off the market. You can argue that we should have gone after others instead, but this team was clicking pretty well at the end of the year and made a good run to get in the PO. Bringing Bonzi back made a lot of sense.

Look, even if Bonzi signed with the Kings, SO WHAT? So maybe we make the 8th seed again. So what? If your goal is to simply "make the playoffs" you could probably trade Martin right now and get a solid veteran at the 4. Then you could plug Garcia at the 2, make a couple of other tweaker trades, get a decent FA, and voila - you're in the playoffs at the 8th seed. WOOPDEEE! Personally, I'm interested in building a team that has a chance at a championship down the line. The above team never would. It would be just stuck in the middle. I guess the fans that just loved that 8th spot would be like the proverbial pigs in slop - for several years. Others, however, have a considerably higher goal than that.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

God, I cant wait for about another month or so to pass, the anticipation of the lottery/draft/FA signing period is killing me.