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In discussion or on offense, Martin gets lots of attention
By Sam Amick - Bee Staff Writer
Last Updated 12:10 am PDT Tuesday, March 13, 2007


CLEVELAND-There are numbers to be crunched and a case to be made, but the measure of Kevin Martin's season is much more simple than that.

The cool kids talk to him now. And about him.

Like Seattle's Ray Allen, who has tried and failed three times this season to slow Martin and gone from friendly to not-so-amused in the process.

Or Shaquille O'Neal, who approached the Kings' third-year shooting guard a while back. The "Big Aristotle" shared his philosophy on Martin's game, giving rave reviews and leaving Martin's head spinning with delight.

There was renowned defender Bruce Bowen of San Antonio, who dropped a compliment Sunday before Martindropped 26 points in a loss to the Spurs. And most recently, even one of the most respected teachers was preaching his praises when asked if Martin was deserving of the league's Most Improved Player award.

"If I was Kevin Martin, I'd probably be disappointed if I was just Most Improved Player," Denver coach George Karl said. "How about, He's just a damn good basketball player? He's moved into a level of All-Star talent and skills. He's above and better than the award for Most Improved Player, in my opinion.

"He's real. He's a problem."

For everyone but the Kings.

Tonight's challenge is the hometown Cleveland squad, with Martin playing less than a three-hour drive from where he grew up in Zanesville, Ohio. He is, for once, a step ahead of local legend LeBron James, whose Player of the Week honor announced Monday is his first of the season and comes one week after Martin earned the honor for the first time in the West.

Across the NBA nation, the honor only spurred an already-heated discussion over the Most Improved award and who is worthy.

Yet Martin was already in the debate before the latest development, when he proved over an extended period of time that he could, in fact, carry a heavier load. In early January, Kings coach Eric Musselman wondered aloud if Martin's efficiency would dip if he became an even bigger part of the offense.

It's no longer a mystery. In the 22 games in which Martin has taken at least 15 shots, he has averaged 27.2 points. He's converting 52.6 percent of his shots in those games, above his season-long mark of 49.3.

Yet while Martin doesn't have the all-around game of fellow Most Improved candidates Andre Iguodala of Philadelphia or Deron Williams of Utah, his scoring and efficiency are unequaled. He remains the league's only player to average 20 or more points on less than 14 shots (13.8), and the increase in his points-per-game difference from one year to the next (10.6) leads the league and is trailed by Memphis' Hakim Warrick (8.4).

He has also maintained a penchant for drawing fouls that started in July Summer League play, when Martin's shot wasn't falling but he was routinely finding his way to the free-throw line. He leads the team in free-throw attempts (434) and is in the top 20 in the league. On Feb. 25, the knack reached a historic level when his 18 made free throws at Indiana eclipsed the Sacramento-era record of Chris Webber and Travis Mays (17).

"I'm kind of (ticked) he gets as many calls as he gets," Karl said with a smile. "I wish (Allen Iverson) or (Carmelo Anthony) would get the calls he gets."

Martin's motion has made him among the league's few who draw comparisons to future Hall of Famer Reggie Miller when it comes to style, and he has long studied film of players such as Detroit's Richard Hamilton or Miami's Dwyane Wade to hone the tactic. He didn't use it much on Sunday against the Nuggets, when his jump shots weren't falling and he was a non-factor. Yet he used it plenty against the Spurs on Thursday, fighting through Bowen's pesky grasp to score 26 points on 10-of-20 shooting.

"I told (Bowen) ... 'I learn something every time I go against you,' " Martin said. "It seems like I always have a bad first half against him, and then the second half I get moving. I stayed with it."

Karl, who has an energetic one on his roster in Iverson, said it's the non-stop motion that makes Martin such a tough cover.

"I think right now, he probably moves off the ball as well as anybody in the NBA," Karl said. "I think he runs and cuts and reads screens, back cuts and back doors probably as well as anybody. He has a versatile game and an efficient game."

About the writer: The Bee's Sam Amick can be reached at samick@sacbee.com.
 
It's no longer a mystery. In the 22 games in which Martin has taken at least 15 shots, he has averaged 27.2 points. He's converting 52.6 percent of his shots in those games, above his season-long mark of 49.3.

Hrm. That's an IMPRESSIVE stat.
 
Nice article. Kevin has earned his respect as a very good player. I, like so many others, see a great future for the kid from Zanesville.

He's one of the truly bright spots in an otherwise frustrating season. Also, he seems to have his head on straight as a rising star in the NBA.
 
Nice to see the league finally waking up and noticing things that we knew all along.

Also I'm a little surprised that what Bowen told Kevin maybe wasn't "I'm going to break your bleeping legs today, just you watch". Oh well, maybe he's nicer than I thought.

Then again... naaaah. Likely he said exactly that and meant it as a compliment.

Anyway, go Kevin!
 
Hrm. That's an IMPRESSIVE stat.

(Just as one of the neighborhood stats guys).

Er...I wonder. That's the sort of stat that requires some construction and might very well be kind of self-fulfilling. i.e. If Kevin Martin gets a good matchup without much help defense, Kevin shoots more + scores more. I suspect that holds true for almost EVERY major scorer that picks and chooses when to take a large number of shots. The "hot game" syndrome. To whit:

For instance:

Ron Artest in games of 15+ shots:
24.1pts 46.5% shooting (24 games) (season 44.6% 18.7pts)
Diff: +5.4pts +1.9%

Mike Bibby in games 15+ shots:
21.7pts 42.8% shooting (31 games) (season 40.1% 17.3pts)
Diff: +4.4pts +2.7%

Kevin in 15+ shots:
27.2pts 52.6% shooting (22 games) (season 49.3% 21.4pts)
Diff: +5.8pts +3.3%


Not to say the numbers themselves aren't big, but citing that trend as evidence of whatever is either puposefully disingenuous by Sam -- and here I will note that he has increasingly interpreted his job as the season has wore along as rah rah guy -- or the result of some level of ignorance of how those stats normally work. Its similar to the stats for bench guys saying that in games they have played at least "x # of minutes" they excel. Well of course, they only GET the big minutes when they are going well. Similar for # of shots. You are going well, have an edge on the defense, you shoot more, get fed more, score more.
 
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Er...I wonder. That's the sort of stat that requires some construction and might very well be kind of self-fulfilling. i.e. If Kevin Martin gets a good matchup without much help defense, Kevin shoots more + scores more. I suspect that holds true for almost EVERY major scorer that picks and chooses when to take a large number of shots. The "hot game" syndrome.

I thought that was part of the point about Kevin. That he will absolutely put the skid marks on his guy when he's hot and will not overly force matters when he's not but will somehow try to work around it.

Whether that's good or not if (when) he rises to a true superstar level is debatable, but I kind of like it better than box score junkies like Kobe or Gil who will work to put up their 30 shots a game come hell or high water and if they only hit 5 of them... tough cookies for the team.

Just the impression I'm getting, y'know. Not very professional at all.
 
I thought that was part of the point about Kevin. That he will absolutely put the skid marks on his guy when he's hot and will not overly force matters when he's not but will somehow try to work around it.

Whether that's good or not if (when) he rises to a true superstar level is debatable, but I kind of like it better than box score junkies like Kobe or Gil who will work to put up their 30 shots a game come hell or high water and if they only hit 5 of them... tough cookies for the team.

Just the impression I'm getting, y'know. Not very professional at all.

A correct impression -- Kevin's shot selection is normally very good. But that wasn't really the implication of the article. The implication was that Kevin's shooting and pts (duh) necessarily go up when he shoots a lot and that that you could extend that. But as I pointed out, that kind of stat is true of basically EVERYBODY when you are taking only their high end games. But its a question of sustainability that those stats don't answer -- the question isn't whether you can score a lot and shoot well when you feel you have the good matchup, but rather whether you can do it EVERY night regardless of the defense or matchup. That's what a Kobe faces -- if he's feeling good, bad, guarded tough, doubled, whatever, he's putting up 15+ shots. He's not choosing his spots. Knowing that Kevin, or Ron, or Mike, or whoever shoots and scores well when he's feeling it is kind of self evident.
 
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"I'm kind of (ticked) he gets as many calls as he gets," Karl said with a smile. "I wish (Allen Iverson) or (Carmelo Anthony) would get the calls he gets."

Do you find something wrong with this statement?
 
Do you find something wrong with this statement?

Fairly predictable I think. Kevin goes to the line a lot, and so do we, and Kevin has unfortunately (in my view) been supplementing that with flops upon occasion (which I've concluded is Muss's grand contribution to the game of basketball -- flop to win!). So that sort of political complaining is very predictable amongst a certain segment of coaches. Call it Phil Jackson syndrome. Karl is certainly one of those guys, so its hardly a surprise. Of course given that he has the #2 and #7 FT shooters (in attempts/gm) in the league on his team, and Kevin is merely #17, you can figure about how much standing he has to complain.
 
The main emphasis of the article is that Kevin's shooting efficiency and ability to draw fouls is something special and that he maintains it when he gets more involved.

Amick only mentions in passing that his FG% goes up 3% when he shoots more. That's disingenuous? :confused:
 
(Just as one of the neighborhood stats guys).

Er...I wonder. That's the sort of stat that requires some construction and might very well be kind of self-fulfilling. i.e. If Kevin Martin gets a good matchup without much help defense, Kevin shoots more + scores more. I suspect that holds true for almost EVERY major scorer that picks and chooses when to take a large number of shots. The "hot game" syndrome. To whit:

For instance:

Ron Artest in games of 15+ shots:
24.1pts 46.5% shooting (24 games) (season 44.6% 18.7pts)
Diff: +5.4pts +1.9%

Mike Bibby in games 15+ shots:
21.7pts 42.8% shooting (31 games) (season 40.1% 17.3pts)
Diff: +4.4pts +2.7%

Kevin in 15+ shots:
27.2pts 52.6% shooting (22 games) (season 49.3% 21.4pts)
Diff: +5.8pts +3.3%


Not to say the numbers themselves aren't big, but citing that trend as evidence of whatever is either puposefully disingenuous by Sam -- and here I will note that he has increasingly interpreted his job as the season has wore along as rah rah guy -- or the result of some level of ignorance of how those stats normally work. Its similar to the stats for bench guys saying that in games they have played at least "x # of minutes" they excel. Well of course, they only GET the big minutes when they are going well. Similar for # of shots. You are going well, have an edge on the defense, you shoot more, get fed more, score more.

Of course there are exceptions to the rule, like Kobe. I think McGrady took 28 shots yesterday and had a very poor average. Still, there's probably something to be said for what you say.
 
while the percent differential might show an increase among all of the 3 leading scorers on our team, fg percentage isnt a linear function. that is, shooting 50 percent on the year is exceptional, shooting over 50 as a volume shooter is even better. while the hot games hold true, brick, i also see that none of the other scorers reach martins fg percentage, hot game or not.

also, are fg attempts counted as missed when a foul is called? i dont think it is, but when made on continuation, its lsited as attempted and made. couple this with martins ft attempts, you see that he gets at least a couple "free" shots at the hoop, make or miss. even though this is subtle, its a little way that he gets a few more points, and knocks his fg% up a bit
 
Nice article, KMart is sure turning into quite the player and it has sure been a pleasure to watch on an otherwise dissapointing season. No Karl you cannot have KMart. Now that would really be a very scary Denver team:

Iverson
KMart
Melo
Nene
Camby
WOW!!!!! :p
 
Yeah but with AI and Melo playing ballhog and jacking up ill-advised jumpers, they'd probably still lose.
 
Yup, it would would be interesting to know the Kings record in those games.

With him taking 15+ shots, we're 13-14. With him taking less, we're 15-19. So no real clear trend there, but if you look at the pattern over the course of the season there seems to be one. Through November and into December, it didn't seem to matter if he took a lot of shots, in fact it may have hurt somewhat. During the last month and a half or so, winning has seemed to depend far more on his shooting a lot.

So he may not have helped the team very effectively by shooting a lot when he first began as starting SG, but he sure seems to be now. In the last 15 games where he took 15+ shots, we're 10 and 5. In the last 15 where he didn't, we're 4 and 11.
 
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