Bee: Kings make offer to Wells...

Its starting to make more and more sense why they were going away from that direction looking at that list. That list gets rediculous towards the end. :rolleyes:

thats what i was kinda eluding to. peja we traded for artest (good gamble), wallace we lost to expansion (not so good), keon ...drugs, bobby we traded for wells (good), Doug was probably the only weak one there , especially because of our defensive woes, but other than that (well theres webber too) overall solid moves.
 
Sign him, keep him! There is no way we will be -championship- contenders without him.
I think this hits the nail on the head...'Championship' contenders keep major cogs in place and continue to grow. I guess we'll find out in a couple of weeks what the ole' Bonzinator wants to do.
 
It would make no sense to make your BEST offer first. GP made a nice respectfull opening offer Bonzi knows he is wanted and will start for an exciting contender in Sac... Now non contenders or teams that can't promis him a start will have to work to get his attention. I am happy.

And good old HC hits the nail on the head. Your initial offer in this situation, where the player wants to return and the team wants him, should be high enough to let him know you're serious (above the MLE) and puts lots of the competition out of the running (above the MLE), but low enough that you have a little "wiggle room" to move up if other, similar offers come in. Also not too low to insult him (and somewhere in the vicinity of his previous contract amount, given the injury and his PO performance, should be an OK start) lets him know you really do want him back.

Not knowing specifics, but knowing Bonzi, his agent, and GP are old pro's at this, I think it's a good start.

But if someone wants to come in and pull a NO-Peja move, you let him go and wish him well.
 
weve made so many moves every season since like 03...its ridiculous
they think that in one year everything will be fine when in reality like circa1985 said we gotta keep our pieces together for an extended period of time so they can mesh.
We basically had the Artest lineup for about 20-30 games and look where that brought us!
 
It is simply the money. No more, no less. Vlade Divac was the poster boy of chasing the dollar. Sacramento either makes the best offer, or they do not. I bet they don't make the best offer.

It is difficult to sort the "money trades" from regular old player trades which may involve injuries, attitudes, and player skills. I think the Jon Barry, Jimmy Jackson, Chris Webber, and Brian Skinner trades were trades done solely to lower the team-salary.

I think the Jason Williams, Bobby Jackson, and Peja Stojakovic trades were done solely to improve the line-up.

Doug Christie, Vlade Divac, and others were discarded because of age and injuries.

Tell me again why they paid so much for Brad Miller. And the beat goes on.....
 
I have no problem with above the mid-level, but if it's anything higher than 7-8 million, I don't like the deal that much. Number of years is also an important one.
 
Personally I think the Kings will do what's best for the Kings. We have lots of talented young versatile players. It took Bonzi a few years to develop as will it Martin and Garcia. So if Bonzi wants to leave so be it.
 
Bee: Bonzi shops the market

The bidding has started at more than $5 million, and Detroit and Denver reportedly are interested.

by Sam Amick


The bidding for Bonzi Wells has begun.
Now the wait begins to see if it becomes a bidding war.

Kings president of basketball operations Geoff Petrie said he made an offer to Wells, the shooting guard who earned $8 million last season.

The offer -- which came on the first day in which free-agency negotiation could begin -- is believed to be for more than the midlevel exception of approximately $5 million, though the length of the offer is not known.

Wells' agent, William Phillips, did not return numerous calls for comment. Free agents cannot be signed until July 12.
"I'm not going to get in the specifics of any particular offer at this point, but we did make him a proposal," Petrie said. "I talked to William again today, briefly. It's an ongoing negotiation. That's about where it is."

The Kings went to great lengths to get their payroll under the luxury tax, finally getting there in February when they traded center Brian Skinner to Portland in the deal that brought center Vitaly Potapenko and swingman Sergei Monia to Sacramento. Should the Kings re-sign Wells, they again would be over the tax.

While Detroit and Denver reportedly hope to get Wells for the midlevel exception, there are five teams with salary cap room that could offer more. Chief among them is Charlotte, followed by Atlanta, Chicago, New Orleans and Toronto.

Petrie said Wells has unquestionable value, but it's just a question of how much value.

"We'll both keep working at it until something gets resolved," Petrie said. "And there's only three things that can happen here. He will sign with us. He will sign with something else. And there's the outside chance down the road that it gets into a sign-and-trade thing, which isn't even in the mix at the moment."

Of the less mysterious nature Saturday was the official exercise of third-year swingman Kevin Martin's team option for the 2007-08 season, in which he'll make $1.8 million. While it was believed to be official Friday, Martin had not signed the paperwork.

With roster pieces coming and potentially going, and the team focusing on Wells, Petrie said he would like to add another post player but has not yet determined how to achieve that.

"I think we want to get a clearer direction on Bonzi's situation in some ways," Petrie said. "We're certainly looking at those possibilities or options that may be out there."

He looked at those options during Wednesday's draft, exploring trades that could have landed the team a second-round player who fit a need.

"There's some guys that we liked in that second round," he said. "You're always looking at getting another opportunity or that kind of thing for a player that you like.

"We had a number of players up there that we would have had an interest in."

The free-agent market, though, lacks quality big men beyond Detroit center Ben Wallace. And especially if the Kings re-sign Wells, they may be hesitant to spend their midlevel exception as well as a separate exception worth $1.7 million.

"(Whether or not the Kings use the midlevel) is going to be a function of how things develop," Petrie said. "It's the same situation we've been in. We'd prefer to not be a tax-paying team. But for the right situation, we would be. It's just a function of how the whole thing plays out."

http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/story/14274219p-15084095c.html
 
With roster pieces coming and potentially going, and the team focusing on Wells, Petrie said he would like to add another post player but has not yet determined how to achieve that.

Now, whatever that means, it doesn't mean strictly an offensive post-up guy. It means someone who plays in the post, so I think that's a telling sign about getting more interior defense.

"(Whether or not the Kings use the midlevel) is going to be a function of how things develop," Petrie said. "It's the same situation we've been in. We'd prefer to not be a tax-paying team. But for the right situation, we would be. It's just a function of how the whole thing plays out."

Liking that attitude.
 
Eek.. 5mil/yr?

I would take Bonzi at that, but isn't that kind of a slap in the face to offer that?

Think of a car dealership. Your friend bought a car there (exact same one you are buying). He didn't put any cash down and got it for 300/month. You tell the dealer this, and advise him you have great credit as well. He comes back to you with an offer of 400/month. That's how Bonzi feels :p
 
is believed to be for more than the midlevel exception of approximately $5 million, though the length of the offer is not known.

The MLE is at 5 million a year... we offered ABOVE that. We can because we have his bird rights. If we could only offer the MLE, things would be different.
 
It is simply the money. No more, no less. Vlade Divac was the poster boy of chasing the dollar. Sacramento either makes the best offer, or they do not. I bet they don't make the best offer.

It is difficult to sort the "money trades" from regular old player trades which may involve injuries, attitudes, and player skills. I think the Jon Barry, Jimmy Jackson, Chris Webber, and Brian Skinner trades were trades done solely to lower the team-salary.

I think the Jason Williams, Bobby Jackson, and Peja Stojakovic trades were done solely to improve the line-up.

Doug Christie, Vlade Divac, and others were discarded because of age and injuries.

Tell me again why they paid so much for Brad Miller. And the beat goes on.....
I'd say Jon Barry was traded to clear room at the 2/3 spots where we had a ton of talent. Otherwise I think you have it pretty much right. We paid for Brad Miller when it made sense to pay him, he fell off rather fast unfortunately. Much like Webber's injury, although Webber has rebounded better than Miller.

As for the players it isn't always entirely about money, there are plenty who have given discounts to teams where they liked the city or team. You just hear a lot more about people like Johnny Damon. And keep in mind that we can pretty much force a sign and trade with Bonzi if we are going to be outbid by just offering him the same deal with an extra year - something only we can do.
 
Eek.. 5mil/yr?

I would take Bonzi at that, but isn't that kind of a slap in the face to offer that?

Think of a car dealership. Your friend bought a car there (exact same one you are buying). He didn't put any cash down and got it for 300/month. You tell the dealer this, and advise him you have great credit as well. He comes back to you with an offer of 400/month. That's how Bonzi feels :p
Sure it is. I don't think he would want to linger after this.
 
It's MORE than 5 mil/year... For some reason I keep on seeing "Only 5 mil/year?" It's more than 5 mil/year they just don't know how much more.
 
Exactly. The article says other teams using their MLE would only be able to offer about $5/mil a year.
 
The bidding has started at more than $5 million, and Detroit and Denver reportedly are interested.

While Detroit and Denver reportedly hope to get Wells for the midlevel exception, there are five teams with salary cap room that could offer more. Chief among them is Charlotte, followed by Atlanta, Chicago, New Orleans and Toronto.

Recent developments with other teams in the last 24 hours make me believe the Kings are in a very good position to 1) keep Bonzi or 2) sign and trade Bonzi so we get someone valuable in return.

DETROIT: can only offer MLE, and Bonzi comes off the bench behind Rip and Tayshaun
DENVER: just signed Nene to 6 years 60 million...only way they get Bonzi is to do a sign and trade with Kings
CHARLOTTE: no word MJ is interested in Bonzi
CHICAGO: interested in many FAs but haven't heard Bonzi's name
NEW ORLEANS: will give a boat load of money to Peja and Bobby...knocks them out of the Bonzi sweepstake
ATLANTA: no need to comment here. Who would go from 17,317 frenzy to an empty Philips Arena? Maybe except Joe Johnson.

The fact that Denver signed Nene puts the Kings in better position to keep or exchange Bonzi. Secondly, the Nene signing also means the end of Kenyon Martin. While everyone in the forum would like to see Bonzi for Nene (in a S&T scenario), what if we can move Bonzi and Kenny Thomas for Kenyon Martin (so money can match)? The talent is definitely there...but the attitude and hefty contract are issues with KMart.
 
Kenyon Martin? Pass.

Bonzi for Kenyon Martin, even if it means getting rid of Kenny Thomas? Pass again.
 
what if we can move Bonzi and Kenny Thomas for Kenyon Martin (so money can match)? The talent is definitely there...but the attitude and hefty contract are issues with KMart.


I hope that was a joke. Kenyon is damn near untradeable at this point, wasn't that good to start with, is small, has an attitude problem, and now has a bum knee and one of the worst contracts in the league.

05-06 -- 56gms 27.6min 12.9pts 6.3rebs 1.4ast 0.8stl 0.9blk $11.8million

Heck, I might rather have Bonzi as my PF.
 
No. It's not just about the contract. Kenyon Martin is not someone I'd like to see in a Kings uniform. Besides, we already have a K-Mart...

:D
 
No. It's not just about the contract. Kenyon Martin is not someone I'd like to see in a Kings uniform. Besides, we already have a K-Mart...

:D
lol Maan if we did have both K-Marts the back of the jersey's would look kike this..

Kev. Martin
Ken. Martin

:p
 
I don't like Kenyon as a player much. He seems to have that "Lebron" aura around him. He dunks the ball and he acts like he's the first ever to do it---too arrogant for me.
 
I really never understood the fascination with Nene. He isn't that good, he has shown some very slight flashes of being good. But he has been nothing more than a solid player with a ton of injury problems. He missed all last season with a knee injury (red flag) and a ton of games before that. Besides, the Nuggets just gave him 6 years 60 million dollars (yikes)
 
I don't want Kenyon on this team - unproven health and contract. I'd assume Petrie doesn't want any part of those things either.
 
No. It's not just about the contract. Kenyon Martin is not someone I'd like to see in a Kings uniform. Besides, we already have a K-Mart...

:D

Me neither. Kenyon isn't my type of player either. And our KMart is much better. :)
 
KMart would have to pass a physical for that to work. If his knee checked out okay would you guys do it or do you just not like him because of his contract/nasty dunks/swagger?
 
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