Bonzi said it himself "I'm getting old". Joking or not, he probably knows down the line in a few years or so he won't be able to play as many minutes.
Bonzi could even be dealt by then.
Who knows.
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Bonzi said it himself "I'm getting old". Joking or not, he probably knows down the line in a few years or so he won't be able to play as many minutes.
Bonzi could even be dealt by then.
Who knows.
You worry about a couple of years down the road when it's closer to a couple of years down the road. NOTHING is certain in the NBA. Kevin has had one real year of experience. ONE. Yes, he shows potential but IF you let Bonzi get away and Kevin chokes, then what? That's just as real a concern as what might happen a couple of years down the road.
Flexibility is over-rated. Remember, we traded Chris Webber for Kenny Thomas, Brian Skinner and Corliss Williamson so we'd have "flexibility."
Don't mean to argue, but that's not exactly sound business strategy. While the here and now is important, you never want to take your eyes off the long term. If the Kings were in a position to challenge for the title right now, maybe a guy like Bonzi is the final piece and forget the cost. But they are a couple of years away and the last thing you want is to be tied down with contracts that sounded a lot better in the past.
Totally agree with the Webber comment but I think most of us felt that the deal was bad for flexibility at the time as well due to the players received and their contracts (though I would argue we got the slight edge in that deal).
You don't get rid of a good player NOW because he's going to start to decline in the future. THAT isn't sound business strategy if you're an NBA owner or GM. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
And BTW? There were a LOT of people around here who were convinced the Webber deal would, in fact, give flexibility. They were ecstatic about the trade. They've been pretty quiet lately. You think we got the slight edge on that deal? Think about this:
That deal doesn't go down but all the other deals afterwards do.
PG: Bibby
SG: Bonzi
SF: Artest
PF: Webber
C: Miller
That sure impresses me more than the SAR/KT combo at the 4 right now.
I don't want to argue either, though. It's too hot.
And BTW? There were a LOT of people around here who were convinced the Webber deal would, in fact, give flexibility. They were ecstatic about the trade. They've been pretty quiet lately. You think we got the slight edge on that deal? Think about this:
That deal doesn't go down but all the other deals afterwards do.
PG: Bibby
SG: Bonzi
SF: Artest
PF: Webber
C: Miller
That sure impresses me more than the SAR/KT combo at the 4 right now.
I don't want to argue either, though. It's too hot.
Vlade4GM
All-Star
bonzie's value is as high as it will ever be because of what he did in the playoffs, i really doubt by next year his value will be just as high and every team will be jumping at the opportunity to trade for a 31 year old bonzie making 7-8 million a year for the next 4 years. excuse me if i don't see that happening. sign and trade? sure. i'd rather risk kevin martin not being ready than risk regretting bonzi for the next 4 our of 5 years. that's just me though, i normally tend to lean towards younger players.
hammystyle
Starter
And BTW? There were a LOT of people around here who were convinced the Webber deal would, in fact, give flexibility. They were ecstatic about the trade. They've been pretty quiet lately. You think we got the slight edge on that deal? Think about this:
That deal doesn't go down but all the other deals afterwards do.
PG: Bibby
SG: Bonzi
SF: Artest
PF: Webber
C: Miller
I don't want to argue either, though. It's too hot.
I wasn't around when that trade went down, but thought it was a good move at the time and think so even more now. We actually do have flexibility thanks to Potatoe's and Corliss' expiring contracts, and Monia leaving for Russia. We're stuck with KT so far, but we'll see if that holds true through the summer.
The fact that Webber has stayed healthy, limped around, and put up some solid numbers really defies the odds. Sooner or later he is bound to get hurt and then he's just a 22 million dollar albatross.
BTW- If you average SAR/KT's #'s (They averaged the same minutes last year), then factor them to the number of minutes Webber was playing, they are very close. And they're a LOT better defensively.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I get the feeling here that there are a lot of 18 yr olds looking at Bonzi and going "man, he's going to be 30! That's like almost dead!"
Here's just a partial list of those walking dead men -- the 30+ yr old guards:
Allen Iverson (31)
Ray Allen (31)
Mike James (31)
Steve Nash (32)
Chauncey Billups (30)
Sam Cassel (36)
Cutino Mobley (31)
Raja Bell (30)
Andre Miller (30)
Bonzi Wells (30)
Jason Kidd (33)
Derek Fisher (32)
Jerry Stackhouse (32)
Brevin Knight (31)
Earl Boynkins (30)
Jason Williams (31)
Jalen Rose (33)
Rafer Alston (30)
And yet somehow, someway, even though clearly they need to be dragged off to the rendering plant and shot, they lead their teams in scoring, win MVPs, win NBA titles, and just generally refuse to kindly step out of the way to make room for kids just learning the game.
Here's just a partial list of those walking dead men -- the 30+ yr old guards:
Allen Iverson (31)
Ray Allen (31)
Mike James (31)
Steve Nash (32)
Chauncey Billups (30)
Sam Cassel (36)
Cutino Mobley (31)
Raja Bell (30)
Andre Miller (30)
Bonzi Wells (30)
Jason Kidd (33)
Derek Fisher (32)
Jerry Stackhouse (32)
Brevin Knight (31)
Earl Boynkins (30)
Jason Williams (31)
Jalen Rose (33)
Rafer Alston (30)
And yet somehow, someway, even though clearly they need to be dragged off to the rendering plant and shot, they lead their teams in scoring, win MVPs, win NBA titles, and just generally refuse to kindly step out of the way to make room for kids just learning the game.
You are right that most of those guys are still fairly productive, but how many of them would you want to be paying 7 or 8 million dollars in 4-5 years? As a backup? When you have 2-3 young shooting guards that will also be coming up on contract extensions?
I still think signing Bonzi has a lot of merit but think caution has its place in these kinds of decisions. You look at a team like San Antonio for how to utilize these veteran guys. They are signed to shorter term deals for less money because while they have their place you don't want to overpay for them.
I don't get why people get all weird when talking about 29-30 year old players... they still have a handful of good years left.
San Antonio has had that luxury to sign older players to shorter deals for several years because of the quality of their team and the chance to win a championship. Same thing with the Heat the last one or two.
San Antonio has had that luxury to sign older players to shorter deals for several years because of the quality of their team and the chance to win a championship. Same thing with the Heat the last one or two.
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SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
28-32 is prime in the NBA if you are uninjured.
