BEE: Kings Call For Back Up (Mike Wilks)

Unfortunately, this all gets back to one point I think everyone has made at least 5 times now: Because of their contracts, Mike Bibby, KT, SAR, Miller and Artest are untradeable.

All Petrie can do is make minor adjustments, and wait for his 5 bloated contracts to expire. Teams are very, very happy that the Kings have 5 players who will do nothing to help the team, and will cost the Kings a LOT of money and make them increasingly inflexible.

If Petrie could trade away any or all of the Bloated Five, he would. But with the contracts these 5 players have, they are untradeable.

This makes the other 29 teams very happy. It is extremely rare that an NBA team would have close to $200 million (over the life of the contracts, that is) on five players who are this unproductive.

How much do the Kings owe Mike Bibby? Isn't it close to $60 million over the next 3 years? Sure, I can envision the Jazz taking a flyer on that... NOT.

In a way, I'm happy for Price. Now he can get away from Sac and watch the next 3 or so agonizing years from a distance.

Are the Kings lottery bound next year? Well, if someone really wants Miller, KT and SAR, maybe not. I just don't see a huge market for these players.

Unfortunately, we already know what the Kings rotation will be next year, with about an 80% degree of confidence. Things could change, but monkeys might fly, too.
 
Arena Skeptic said:
Because of their contracts, Mike Bibby, KT, SAR, Miller and Artest are untradeable.

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It is extremely rare that an NBA team would have close to $200 million (over the life of the contracts, that is) on five players who are this unproductive.

How much do the Kings owe Mike Bibby? Isn't it close to $60 million over the next 3 years?
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Problem is, your numbers aren't even close. Bibby is owed $28M total over two years. Miller is owed $34M and change over three years. Artest? $16.25M over two, but he's liable to opt out after one. Thomas is owed $23.75M over three years. And Shareef is owed $18.6M over three.

Total? Just under $121M. So, actually, not even close to $200M.

To put that in context, that's the same amount of money owed by the Knicks to five players in Quentin Richardson, Jamal Crawford, Jerome James, Jared Jeffries, and Malik Rose. (And this is before looking at the Marbury/Randolph/Curry contracts and not considering the now-departed Francis contract.)

I'll leave it to you to decide which group of five is more overpaid.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
Problem is, your numbers aren't even close. Bibby is owed $28M total over two years. Miller is owed $34M and change over three years. Artest? $16.25M over two, but he's liable to opt out after one. Thomas is owed $23.75M over three years. And Shareef is owed $18.6M over three.

Total? Just under $121M. So, actually, not even close to $200M.

To put that in context, that's the same amount of money owed by the Knicks to five players in Quentin Richardson, Jamal Crawford, Jerome James, Jared Jeffries, and Malik Rose. (And this is before looking at the Marbury/Randolph/Curry contracts and not considering the now-departed Francis contract.)

I'll leave it to you to decide which group of five is more overpaid.
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Honestly, it doesn't even come close to changing my point at all. Teams are still overjoyed that the Kings (and probably the Knicks, too) have an albatross around their necks. Other teams won't help. They won't take SAR out of pity. They are pleased as punch the Kings have SAR. And Bibby, Miller, Artest and KT.
 
I think it's too easy to say "Bibby, Artest, Miller, SAR and KT are untradeable" Each of these guys have had greater seasons and could really contribute in the right situation. Also each of these guys comes with different baggage. What frustrates me is that noe of them have been traded or in the absence of a trade that the small capspace is wasted on a 2.5 year Mikkie Moor Contract, much like last years over payment on Salmons. Remember Salmons? I find it hysterical that last years big aquisation has been so unimpressive not only does he rarely turn up in discussions about future line ups he NEVER turns up in discussions of trades.

Enter MM the newst irrelevancy. Why bring in an old journeyman big when we have 2 or 3 young guys that need time and 3 vet contracts we would like to shed? (which means playing the guys) The only thing that could make any sense of this is the very real possiblity that one or more of the old vets WILL be out the door hopefully before camp. I have given Petrie some slack for a few years now but my patience is almost out. I have allready written this season off and thankfully the Kings have decleared it a rebuilding season as well, but by trade deadline this team needs to look like a team with a CLEAR timeline. As it is it looks as if the fans are expected to wait untill at least 09-01 for the cap space needed to bring in a top FA. If we can net 2 top 5 draft picks in the meantime I say "Bully" for us, but picking up stray contracts and NOT developing the young prospects we do have is not encouraging.
 
Arena Skeptic said:
Unfortunately, this all gets back to one point I think everyone has made at least 5 times now: Because of their contracts, Mike Bibby, KT, SAR, Miller and Artest are untradeable.

All Petrie can do is make minor adjustments, and wait for his 5 bloated contracts to expire. Teams are very, very happy that the Kings have 5 players who will do nothing to help the team, and will cost the Kings a LOT of money and make them increasingly inflexible.

If Petrie could trade away any or all of the Bloated Five, he would. But with the contracts these 5 players have, they are untradeable.

This makes the other 29 teams very happy. It is extremely rare that an NBA team would have close to $200 million (over the life of the contracts, that is) on five players who are this unproductive.

How much do the Kings owe Mike Bibby? Isn't it close to $60 million over the next 3 years? Sure, I can envision the Jazz taking a flyer on that... NOT.

In a way, I'm happy for Price. Now he can get away from Sac and watch the next 3 or so agonizing years from a distance.

Are the Kings lottery bound next year? Well, if someone really wants Miller, KT and SAR, maybe not. I just don't see a huge market for these players.

Unfortunately, we already know what the Kings rotation will be next year, with about an 80% degree of confidence. Things could change, but monkeys might fly, too.
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I think its important to get you facts straight before you post. Your not even close. As far as Bibby and Artest not being tradeable,your wrong. The Kings suspossedly have had offers on both, but turned them down for reasons not known to us. One such offer apparently fell apart near the draft that would have moved Bibby to Cleveland. A third team that was involved was the Spurs, and they apparently backed out at the last moment.

As far as Wilkes is concerned. I do find Petri's words interesting. He's a person that chooses his words carefully. If, and its a big if, the Kings have a deal in the works that moves Bibby, and their not getting a pt back in the deal, then it makes sense to show intrest in someone like Wilkes. I don't think we want to start the season with a rookie pt.
 
Arena Skeptic said:
Because of their contracts, Mike Bibby, KT, SAR, Miller and Artest are untradeable.

All Petrie can do is make minor adjustments, and wait for his 5 bloated contracts to expire.
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Nope. Miller and KT are untradable by themselves, at least for any contracts we'd ever want. The others are tradeable, e.g., see today's story about how Petrie could have traded Bibby to Miami, but didn't want to take (the ender) Jason Williams in return. Why? I have no idea, maybe he didn't get along well with JWill or something, I personally would be quite content to take JWill and the correct change in return for Bibby. And there have been other, realistic offers.

Whether or not Petrie will ever pull the trigger on one of them remains to be seen, but that's a subject best left to those who claim a gift of prophecy.
 
fnordius said:
Nope. Miller and KT are untradable by themselves, at least for any contracts we'd ever want. ...
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I would even argue that Miller could be traded to a team running a Prinction style offense that needed a passing big man, there are NOT that many out there. We might have to take some knocks on the trade but peopel forget that even last year (arguably one of Millers least productive as a King) Brad averaged 9 pts, 6 rbs and 3 assits a game, had several double doubles and I belive one triple double. Put him back in the right system and I'd sya you could expect him to put up MUCH better numbers again.
 
HndsmCelt said:
I would even argue that Miller could be traded to a team running a Prinction style offense that needed a passing big man, there are NOT that many out there. We might have to take some knocks on the trade but peopel forget that even last year (arguably one of Millers least productive as a King) Brad averaged 9 pts, 6 rbs and 3 assits a game, had several double doubles and I belive one triple double. Put him back in the right system and I'd sya you could expect him to put up MUCH better numbers again.
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Not with that paycheck, which is really sorta the point. Lots of teams would like to have a player with Miller's skills, but not with that contract.

The speculation (I was going to use the word "fact", but "speculation" is more accurate) that Petrie was about to get X for Bibby, or Y for Miller, but didn't, is really the key here.

Bibby would be a pretty nice fit on the Lakers as a player, but not with that salary. So I stand by my statement that we're already about 80% sure we know what the players and rotation will look like already... And I think it's okay for me to say I'm not thrilled. The potential is right there for under 30 wins.

$121 million for those 5 players is one heck of a lot of money. Glad I'm not writing THOSE checks...

Wilks for Price just doesn't change a thing.
 
Nothing on any signing. Something on the logic, though, maybe.
http://www.sactownroyalty.com/story/2007/7/24/101223/958

As it appears Mike Wilks is the likely choice to back up Mike Bibby, it was time for some research. Sadly, there's no blog titled 'I Heart Mike Wilks.' Terrible news, I know.

But as Wilks spent the 2006-07 season with Seattle, I knew we could find someone with great insight on the player: Sonics.com writer Kevin Pelton.

Pelton penned a great feature on Wilks back in April, one which I encourage you to read in its entirety. Yesterday, we looked singularly at offensive statistics, which tell us Wilks is a bit better (and older) than Ronnie Price. But this story delves into things you can't yet quantify, but things which are important just the same.

"It's invaluable," [ex-coach Bob] Hill says. "He's great in the locker room. He leads a lot of the team prayers before we take the court and gives perfect prayers. He articulates and his message is good. His locker is organized clean and straight. He's on time. He presents himself in a professional way, wears suits all the time on the road.

"I don't know what else to say to you. He's great in every way, shape and form. He's got a great attitude. He's a pro. He understands his role. He's also very good with his teammates. He's a great teammate. He reaches out to them and counsels them and consoles them - everything. He's really special."
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Compare this with last year's backup point guard, Jason Hart... a guy who while the franchise was struggling to keep its head above water tried to force a trade by setting the coach against the management. Based on Pelton's reportage, I don't see that happening with Mr. Wilks.

Pelton added some more notes on Wilks in an email.

So all of a sudden Wilks was the team's starting point guard the last four or five games and he was brilliant. Controlled games, made shots. Clearly there is talent there.

Wilks has worked at his game, I mean worked at it. [...] He's not going to make mistakes on the floor, he's going to get into his man on defense (possibly even applying full-court pressure) and he's generally better in smaller doses.

I can't see a team regretting signing Mike Wilks. The Kings seem like a good fit in that, if he did beat out Shakur/Jeter, he wouldn't necessarily be counted on but also could find minutes if he played well. Wilks has earned the right to be in that position at this point.
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When Reggie Theus talks about changing the culture of the Kings, we know it's all just words, we'll believe it when we see it. Geoff Petrie's moves so far (if he does sign Wilks, as expected) would bear that out -- Mikki Moore and Mike Wilks aren't going to dazzle you on the court, but they'll work their asses off and provide leadership backstage. That's good for the rebuilding effort, whether those players see the eventual benefit or not.

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