Barry's BACK!
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zip95843
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I'd like to give my opinion on this.
I'm relatively new to the country. And always considered baseball as "funny" sport, more like outdoor activity. But thanks to the Barry Bonds, I started to watch it. It was when Giants got to WC.
I will give him benefit of the doubts, for that. I like watching him play. I haven't seen him when he was younger, but saying he got bigger is laughable, since I can always look to the mirror and my photos 10 years ago.
To me, the whole story looks like the witch hunt. I admit, his connection to BALCO are suspicious, but it doesn't proof anything, only raises some questions.
Also, I'm very confused about the needs to have steroids in such static game. I mean, they are standing almost all the time, and the only position that may require some help from drugs are pitchers. Those players that were using steroids are pretty much wasted very quickly. I didn't see Barry Bonds wasted, and if he was using steroids all this time - he should be wasted at this age.
And what confuses me more is that there is a sport in USA, where ALL the players are chemically induced people - it's what you call football here. The way those players build - no way on Earth you can do that by mere training. They look exactly like those weight lifting "athletes" in Olympic games - almost all of them were stripped of medals and many were banned from sport.
I'm relatively new to the country. And always considered baseball as "funny" sport, more like outdoor activity. But thanks to the Barry Bonds, I started to watch it. It was when Giants got to WC.
I will give him benefit of the doubts, for that. I like watching him play. I haven't seen him when he was younger, but saying he got bigger is laughable, since I can always look to the mirror and my photos 10 years ago.
To me, the whole story looks like the witch hunt. I admit, his connection to BALCO are suspicious, but it doesn't proof anything, only raises some questions.Also, I'm very confused about the needs to have steroids in such static game. I mean, they are standing almost all the time, and the only position that may require some help from drugs are pitchers. Those players that were using steroids are pretty much wasted very quickly. I didn't see Barry Bonds wasted, and if he was using steroids all this time - he should be wasted at this age.
And what confuses me more is that there is a sport in USA, where ALL the players are chemically induced people - it's what you call football here. The way those players build - no way on Earth you can do that by mere training. They look exactly like those weight lifting "athletes" in Olympic games - almost all of them were stripped of medals and many were banned from sport.
Sorry, zip, but you're operating under a whole lot of misconceptions. I'm not going to argue it but I strongly suggest you do some reading. Look into what Rafael Palmiero has said; almost all of his allegations have turned out to be true.
The use of performance-enhancing steroids by a small number of "heavy hitters" in baseball isn't a myth and it isn't a witch hunt. It is, sadly and regrettably, true. The use of the steroids allegedly gave them more upper body strength which enabled them to hit the ball longer - resulting in more home runs, etc.
Football (the NFL) has a very strong anti-drug program, much stronger in fact than anything baseball has begun to approach. To say "ALL the players are chemically induced people" simply shows that you do not actually understand the situation at all.
If you're talking about the linemen, etc. you only need to look back to their early days, even junior high school, to see that some of these guys have been huge their entire lives. It's not steroids; it's putting on weight to add bulk because bulk as a lineman can be good.
Instead of condemning all US sports, I really think you need to do some more research. The problem isn't anywhere near as cut and dried as some would like you to believe.
The use of performance-enhancing steroids by a small number of "heavy hitters" in baseball isn't a myth and it isn't a witch hunt. It is, sadly and regrettably, true. The use of the steroids allegedly gave them more upper body strength which enabled them to hit the ball longer - resulting in more home runs, etc.
Football (the NFL) has a very strong anti-drug program, much stronger in fact than anything baseball has begun to approach. To say "ALL the players are chemically induced people" simply shows that you do not actually understand the situation at all.
If you're talking about the linemen, etc. you only need to look back to their early days, even junior high school, to see that some of these guys have been huge their entire lives. It's not steroids; it's putting on weight to add bulk because bulk as a lineman can be good.
Instead of condemning all US sports, I really think you need to do some more research. The problem isn't anywhere near as cut and dried as some would like you to believe.
Bricklayer
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zip95843 said:I'd like to give my opinion on this.
I'm relatively new to the country. And always considered baseball as "funny" sport, more like outdoor activity. But thanks to the Barry Bonds, I started to watch it. It was when Giants got to WC.
I will give him benefit of the doubts, for that. I like watching him play. I haven't seen him when he was younger, but saying he got bigger is laughable, since I can always look to the mirror and my photos 10 years ago.
Also, I'm very confused about the needs to have steroids in such static game. I mean, they are standing almost all the time, and the only position that may require some help from drugs are pitchers. Those players that were using steroids are pretty much wasted very quickly. I didn't see Barry Bonds wasted, and if he was using steroids all this time - he should be wasted at this age.
And what confuses me more is that there is a sport in USA, where ALL the players are chemically induced people - it's what you call football here. The way those players build - no way on Earth you can do that by mere training. They look exactly like those weight lifting "athletes" in Olympic games - almost all of them were stripped of medals and many were banned from sport.
Bonds steroid use dates back to about '99 -- not his whole career. The jump in physique and production was rather dramatic, and jsut at the age when any non-roided human being starts going in the opposite direction. Like many of the other roid losers, you don't just slog twice your muscle mass in one offseason at age 35. That's not even sneaky.
And steroids main use is to increase bulk and strength -- which is exactly what you need as a power hitter.
As for football, the NFL has tested for steroids for many a year. Occasionally one pops up (Todd Marinovich comes to mind), but most are clean. Those are naturally VERY big boys that have been working out since they were 15 -- any weightlifter will tell you it is much easier to put on muscle bulk if you are naturally bulky and carrying extra weight. Relatively few professional wrestlingesque "bod beautifuls" in football. The most massive guys normally look like massive guys should -- huge muscles, and quite a bit of lard too. Its kind of like a woman with a large chest -- very rarely occurs naturally in a skinny waif. Ditto for massive strength. Very rarely going to occur naturally with 2% body fat.
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I will give you my email address and you can tell him to send me a letter explaining how he can justify that the use of tobacco and coffee by Babe Ruth enhanced his game. I can't wait to hear this. And no BIC, AP history, which I took in highschool, is not even close to the difficulty of college history, not even in the same realm. You'll find out soon.Bibby_Is_Clutch said:
Dude, tell me you aren't in AP English.Bibby_Is_Clutch said:
Bibby_Is_Clutch
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thesanityannex said:
I guess you would know best, having been through all of high school and college now but the reason I said that is because my school tells us that. 2 years and Ill find out for sure.
Im not in AP English, but should I be next year? From the way you said it Im assuming the class wasnt challenging...
I think the Giants are done. We needed to sweep your Padres and we are getting rocked by LA as I type. If we end up not making the playoffs then good luck to your Padres. Even though you are our rivals, I just cant stand LA.
Evenstar
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WOO HOO!!! that first AB was ELECTRIC!!!!!!!!
i'm glad to see the big boy back, but he's definetly gotten a little porky. he should be in better shape next year once he gets a chance to work out. it does take a while, i've had the same surgery he had ( a scope, but he had 3) and it took me a while to get back to my previous level.
as for the steroids, well i just don't want to get into that. i enjoy watching bonds play. i know he's always been a good player, just look at his early years. he grew up in the same area i did. the local park has a major league sized baseball field that he used to play on when he was in little league. he used to hit balls over the fence and across the street on the fly and break windows ( over the fence, 6 lanes of city street) as an 11 year old.
he was going to be a hall of famer before he broke the home run record.
GO GIANTS!
i'm glad to see the big boy back, but he's definetly gotten a little porky. he should be in better shape next year once he gets a chance to work out. it does take a while, i've had the same surgery he had ( a scope, but he had 3) and it took me a while to get back to my previous level.
as for the steroids, well i just don't want to get into that. i enjoy watching bonds play. i know he's always been a good player, just look at his early years. he grew up in the same area i did. the local park has a major league sized baseball field that he used to play on when he was in little league. he used to hit balls over the fence and across the street on the fly and break windows ( over the fence, 6 lanes of city street) as an 11 year old.
he was going to be a hall of famer before he broke the home run record.
GO GIANTS!
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thesanityannex
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Dude, tell me your not in AP English.Bibby_Is_Clutch said:
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thesanityannex
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I never really considered the Giants a rival, just an N.L. team to beat. But we agree on hating L.A. I'm with you on that. The Giants are more of a threat than L.A., so I'm kind of glad they won tonight.Bibby_Is_Clutch said:
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thesanityannex
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I was using "your" to show he possesed an AP English class.......uh....yeah. I'm sticking to my story.VF21 said:Dude, tell me you didn't use "your" for "you're" while trying to point out the errors in B_I_C's post...
Anyways, in the first reply I said..................."Dude, tell me you aren't in AP English".............Properly said, second one was a typo.
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ONEZERO
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i cant believe that steroid freak of a baseball player actually hit a home run today.
slugking50
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ONEZERO said:
It's called talent.
zip95843
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VF221 and brick, you didn't convince me. I never in my life saw a person who gain all these muscles by training and not drugs. Never.
Also, here is the link http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2020408 that I read a while ago that kinda proved what I saw with my own eyes.
Also, here is the link http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2020408 that I read a while ago that kinda proved what I saw with my own eyes.
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ONEZERO
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Isn't that what VF and brick said? That they've never seen players gain that kind of muscle with training and not drugs?
Bricklayer
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zip95843 said:
Perhaps you missed this part:
"The NFL banned their use and began testing for steroids in 1987, but players weren't suspended for using them until 1989. The league started using random, year-round drug testing in 1990."
Not a perfect shield -- nothing ever is, and there are few sports where the strength gained by steroid use is as directly as applicable as it is in football. But largely stamped out even as football has found bigger and bigger men to play the sport.
zip95843
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Bricklayer said:
I didn't miss that. But looking to Olympic games and how tough their system is, we still hear now and then about athletes doing steroids - many US sprinters were banned from sport because of that recently, didn't you agree? But comparing to Olympics, football and other major sports policies are laughable.
As I said, judgng only by the look, looking to baseball players and football players - no competition who takes what.
And yet, VF21, for example wholeheartly praises football and dismisses baseball. That's what I don't understand...
zip95843 said:I didn't miss that. But looking to Olympic games and how tough their system is, we still hear now and then about athletes doing steroids - many US sprinters were banned from sport because of that recently, didn't you agree? But comparing to Olympics, football and other major sports policies are laughable.
As I said, judgng only by the look, looking to baseball players and football players - no competition who takes what.
The steroid use isn't the main reason I quit watching baseball. I was a fan of the Giants because of my dad. I went to games in the 60s. I wouldn't change that experience for the world.
Baseball isn't the same any more. It's so much about the money and the personal glory that it's just not enjoyable any longer. The player's strike made it apparent to me where most of their interest was...
Players like Willie Mays, Orlando Cepeda, Willie McCovey, the Alou brothers, and many more from back then played because they LOVED the game. Now it's so often about everything but the game...
And whether or not you're convinced, football isn't about rampant steroid use. It's futile to argue with you, because - no offense meant and I hope you understand - you really don't know what you're talking about.
Peace.
Bibby_Is_Clutch
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zip95843 said:
Incredible... All the time off and 3 knee surgerys and a weaker lower half of his body and hes doing this... geeze! Hopefully he can carry us into the post-season.
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NOPEBibby_Is_Clutch said:
Bibby_Is_Clutch
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Its a longshot but the Pads have to (will) choke.
I cant wait till next season to how the Giants play with Bonds for a whole season.
I cant wait till next season to how the Giants play with Bonds for a whole season.
allrightythen
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Its hard not to believe the steroids deal with Bonds, but even with that kind of looming in your mind, the guy is just incredible. I'm not a huge baseball fan but I'm enough of a fan to realize that he is just head and shoulders above the competition. I don't think the Giants will make the playoffs, but they will sellout every last home game this season and maybe some road games too simply because Bonds is back and people want to see the freak.
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