Assist to turnover ratio of point guards in draft

[Sac4cwebb]

Assist to turnover ratio: Peterson .57 Acuff 3.04 Wagler 2.4 .Fleming 2.8 /. Avoid Peterson- pick Acuff or Fleming.

 

[SacTownKid]

Eh, assist to turnover ratio. The Kings need a STAR. NOT JUST A PG. I think this year has proven all that needs to be known about that considering the pile of PG's they've run through, lol. If a PG happens to be the star then dandy. So far, not really seeing it although there are some good players there.

 

[TheBigO]

Peterson isn't a PG. He's a scoring guard who has some playmaking ability. I definitely expected to see more of that side of his game than he's shown so far this season, but he's a #1 scoring option just like Dybantsa and should be viewed in that light.

 

[Sluggah]

I don’t know if numbers alone are enough to sway me one way or the other. Is there more context you can provide?

Does this mean Peterson can’t pass or handle the ball? Or is he constantly being double teamed or attempting JWill style flair?

 

[SacTownKid]

I don’t know if numbers alone are enough to sway me one way or the other. Is there more context you can provide?

Does this mean Peterson can’t pass or handle the ball? Or is he constantly being double teamed or attempting JWill style flair?

Part of it is he plays at Kansas. They have always looked at players that fit his mold. Someone like Ochai Agbaji. Prototypical SG's is their thing. Can he be more? I guess we'll find out eventually. Bottom line he can navigate pick and roll. Whether a player does that as a scorer or passer doesn't matter if they're elite at it and he appears to be. It's the ceiling that counts, if he can learn to pass out of it then those Kobe comps start becoming reality. If not, he's still a 20+ scorer that defenses won't be able to stop during certain stretches and that can play within the context of a spread offense and movement system.

 

[midtowner]

Peteron was mostly on ball before he got to Kansas. They moved him off-ball and hid efficiency numbers are excellent. He’s a legit combo guard in the NBA.

“Pure” point guards look great in college and regular season NBA games. The guards winning championships are usually bigger bodied and can D up (Curry is just different).

 

[hrdboild]

Peteron was mostly on ball before he got to Kansas. They moved him off-ball and hid efficiency numbers are excellent. He’s a legit combo guard in the NBA.

“Pure” point guards look great in college and regular season NBA games. The guards winning championships are usually bigger bodied and can D up (Curry is just different).

This is quite a statement to make without any evidence. Just looking at the last 10 years...

2016: Cleveland Cavaliers, Kyrie Irving
2017: Golden State Warriors, Steph Curry
2018: Golden State Warriors, Steph Curry
2019: Toronto Raptors, Kyle Lowry and Fred VanVleet
2020: Los Angeles Lakers, Rajon Rondo and Alex Caruso
2021: Milwaukee Bucks, Jrue Holiday and Donte DiVincenzo
2022: Golden State Warriors, Steph Curry
2023: Denver Nuggets, Jamal Murray
2024: Boston Celtics, Jrue Holiday and Derrick White and Peyton Prichard
2025: Oklahoma City Thunder, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and Alex Caruso

Jrue Holiday and Alex Caruso fit the bill. Both have multiple championships to their name and with multiple franchises no less. Jrue was drafted 17th overall and Alex went undrafted. That is a player type that is usually available later in the draft. I'm not going to count Jamal Murray. He's 6'4 but not a plus defender. Shai is pretty much a one of one.

I don't know what constitutes a "pure" PG in this case. Wagler, Acuff, and Philon are all shooting 40% or better on threes this season. All of them are leading their teams in scoring. Acuff is the only one shorter than 6'4" (and not by much). The only concern I have with Flemings is that he's not taking a lot of three-point jumpers (just 3 attempts per game) so there is some question of whether he can maintain his 39% average with higher volume.

My favorite of the guards in this draft is Labaron Philon (left out by the OP for some reason) who is shooting .509/.402/.787 and averaging 25.8 points per 36 minutes compared to Darryn Peterson who is shooting .442/.384/.825 and averaging 25.1 points per 36 minutes. It's not that low assist totals are necessarily disqualifying of taking someone in the top 5. But all else being equal, I'd certainly prefer a player averaging 2 assists per turnover to a player averaging 1 assist per turnover.

And having a negative assist to turnover ratio definitely is a red flag for me for any player who wants to lay claim to the role of "lead guard". I don't much like it for a go-to scorer at any position because those turnovers are all wasted possessions but it's especially egregious if your primary ballhandler can't take care of the ball. Peterson has pulled himself out of the negative-ratio hole of late (37 assists vs. 34 TO as of today), but he's still on thin ice going into the NCAA tournament games.

 

[Kingster]

Assist to turnover ratio: Peterson .57 Acuff 3.04 Wagler 2.4 .Fleming 2.8 /. Avoid Peterson- pick Acuff or Fleming.

At least from the media types I've heard they don't even regard Peterson as a pg. He doesn't play it in college so probably shouldn't think of him like that in the NBA