Are the Kings entering a rebuild phase?

[Capt. Factorial]

I am sure this place collectively would have drafted better than this front office. We might have skipped Hali, but we sure would not have picked Ben/Nick/Davion/Bagely.

Actually, I bet the collective here would have taken Hali. There was maybe a bit less talk of him prior to the draft, but that's because he was widely expected to go well before our pick.

I'm not really sure we would have dodged Ben, to be honest, not without hindsight. Overall sentiment feels like it was with Vonleh or Elfrid Payton in the Stauskas draft, so no real benefit there, either. We for sure wouldn't have taken Davion, but it probably would have been either Bouknight or Moody - there were definitely small voices for Sengun and Jalen Johnson but I don't think they would have won out. For sure KF.com would have taken Luka over Bagley, though.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Actually, I bet the collective here would have taken Hali. There was maybe a bit less talk of him prior to the draft, but that's because he was widely expected to go well before our pick.

I'm not really sure we would have dodged Ben, to be honest, not without hindsight. Overall sentiment feels like it was with Vonleh or Elfrid Payton in the Stauskas draft, so no real benefit there, either. We for sure wouldn't have taken Davion, but it probably would have been either Bouknight or Moody - there were definitely small voices for Sengun and Jalen Johnson but I don't think they would have won out. For sure KF.com would have taken Luka over Bagley, though.

Yeah it's easy to do these with hindsight and ignore that in some cases the best players available were a massive reach. Sengun wasn't even picked in the lottery for crissakes (16th overall). There were a lot of big busts between Davion and Sengun!

I didn't have Ben as the guy I wanted. Nor did I have TRob. Both fell to us, obviously for good reason. Petrie certainly acknowledged he got caught up in the moment with TRob thinking "can't believe the luck!".

Luka was the board favorite. He was reddit's favorite. I am sure he was twitter's favorite. He was also projected by a lot of national guys to be the most LOLKANGZ pick ever. Which he sort of is, but only by virtue of us not picking him. It really is unbelievable not to just take the guy fans are begging for because if you get it wrong at least you can blame it on fan service. Blazers got away with the Oden pick for that very reason.

I am more concerned with how we have mismanaged assets consistently over time. We never sell high, we somehow hesitated just enough on Boogie to cost us an added first. We blew it with Davion who is at least an NBA player unlike many of the people picked between him and Sengun. We traded Casspi for Hickson and tied a pick that took almost the full decade to convey, which lead to more swap blunders. We got saved with Fox, but we mismanaged his career to where he went public with a demand to one team and one team only (apparently we may have had a deal on the table to ship him elsewhere and instead of taking it, we went and pulse checked him after he rebuffed our extension offers for over a year???)

I can only only only hope that Perry is as good as he was the day he traded the 10th pick for 15 and 20 and that he had nothing to do with the actual selections and talent evaluation at all three of those spots.

 

[coolhandluke]

My only hope is that the NBA will somehow “reward us” with a high draft pick since we’re tanking the “right way” by not being intentionally bad. If the Mavs can somehow end up with the first pick last year, you never know.

All we had to do is to trade Sabonis to the Lakers for Gabe Vincent and a second round pick. It's really simple.

 

[coolhandluke]

All top-10 picks in the Sacramento era vs. top-5 players available at that pick by career WS:

1989 #1 = Pervis Ellison (Vlade, Clifford Robinson, Shawn Kemp, Glen Rice, Tim Hardaway)
2018 #2 = Marvin Bagley (SGA, Luka, Brunson, Trae, Mikal Bridges)
1991 #3 = Traded away
2009 #4 = Tyreke Evans (Curry, DeRozan, Jrue, Taj Gibson, Jeff Teague)
2022 #4 = Keegan Murray (Jalen Williams, Jalen Duren, Walker Kessler, Christian Braun, Keegan)
2010 #5 = DeMarcus Cousins (Paul George, Gordon Hayward, Hassan Whiteside!!, Greg Monroe, Cousins)
2012 #5 = Thomas Robinson (Lillard, Drummond, Draymond, Harrison Barnes, Khris Middleton)
2017 #5 = De'Aaron Fox (Jarrett Allen, Bam Adebayo, Donovan Mitchell, Derrick White, John Collins)
1985 #6 = Joe Kleine (Karl Malone, Terry Porter, Detlef Schrempf, A.C. Green, Chris Mullin)
1987 #6 = Kenny Smith (Reggie Miller, Horace Grant, Kevin Johnson, Mark Jackson, Derrick McKey)
2015 #6 = Willie Cauley-Stein (Devin Booker, Myles Turner, Montrezl Harrell, Kevon Looney, Larry Nance)
1990 #7 = Lionel Simmons (Elden Campbell, Toni Kukoc, Antonio Davis, Tyrone Hill, Cedric Ceballos)
1992 #7 = Walt Williams (P.J. Brown, Robert Horry, Clarence Weatherspoon, Latrell Sprewell, Doug Christie)
1993 #7 = Bobby Hurley (Sam Cassell Nick Van Exel, Allan Houston, Bryon Russell, Vin Baker)
1998 #7 = Jason Williams (Dirk, Paul Pierce, Rashard Lewis, Cuttino Mobley, Al Harrington)
2011 #7 = Traded away
2013 #7 = Ben McLemore (Giannis, Gobert, Steven Adams, Mason Plumlee, C.J. McCollum)
1994 #8 = Brian Grant (Eddie Jones, Brian Grant, Jalen Rose, Wesley Person, Aaron McKie)
2014 #8 = Nik Stauskas (Jokic, Clint Capela, Dwight Powell, Kyle Anderson Zach LaVine)
2016 #8 = Traded away
2021 #9 = Davion Mitchell (Sengun, Trey Murphy, Herb Jones, Aaron Wiggins, Ayo Dosunmu)
2007 #10 = Spencer Hawes (Marc Gasol, Thaddeus Young, Jared Dudley, Carl Landry, Arron Afflalo)
2017 #10 = Traded away

As a guy whose mantra is "you can't hit every time", man...that is grim.

Wow. That level of sustained incompetence is astonishing.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

That used to rate in our biggest blunders but now that Karl Malone is known to be a horrible person I guess we retroactively dodged that stain.

but Cousins is a decent ok guy

 

[sactowndog]

Actually, I bet the collective here would have taken Hali. There was maybe a bit less talk of him prior to the draft, but that's because he was widely expected to go well before our pick.

I'm not really sure we would have dodged Ben, to be honest, not without hindsight. Overall sentiment feels like it was with Vonleh or Elfrid Payton in the Stauskas draft, so no real benefit there, either. We for sure wouldn't have taken Davion, but it probably would have been either Bouknight or Moody - there were definitely small voices for Sengun and Jalen Johnson but I don't think they would have won out. For sure KF.com would have taken Luka over Bagley, though.

Might be fun before every draft have and save a poll on whom you would have drafted after the draft happens.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

but Cousins is a decent ok guy

Did DeMarcus impregnate a 12 year old?

 

[NewArena]

I could cry watching this. Never thought my favorite player (Fox) would essentially quit on us and now it appears others are doing the same. Just sucks smh

 

[NewArena]

Ok, there's no way this team stands pat, right?

There are two projected strong drafts coming up and we are clearly terrible, so a rebuild seems like a no brainier. I'd rather watch a youth movement in the pursuit of a high lotto pick as opposed to bunch of vets goofing around and getting blown out. It would be intriguing to see how Clifford and Keegan develop without having to defer.

But if Vivek decides to Vivek and mortgages the future for AD and/or Ja that would make dipping out of Kings fandom very easy.

I just have no clue which way we're going to go.

Matt George shared earlier today on ESPN 1320 that Vivek is taking a very hands off approach and isn't always fully aware of what Scott Perry has planned right now. Matt said he understands why fans would obviously be skeptical of this but that's what he has been told from those close to the situation.

 

[NewArena]

but Cousins is a decent ok guy

If you google Malone and his history, yea - Cousins is actually a saint in comparison lol just grumpy

 

[Insomniacal Fan]

All top-10 picks in the Sacramento era vs. top-5 players available at that pick by career WS:

1989 #1 = Pervis Ellison (Vlade, Clifford Robinson, Shawn Kemp, Glen Rice, Tim Hardaway)
2018 #2 = Marvin Bagley (SGA, Luka, Brunson, Trae, Mikal Bridges)
1991 #3 = Traded away
2009 #4 = Tyreke Evans (Curry, DeRozan, Jrue, Taj Gibson, Jeff Teague)
2022 #4 = Keegan Murray (Jalen Williams, Jalen Duren, Walker Kessler, Christian Braun, Keegan)
2010 #5 = DeMarcus Cousins (Paul George, Gordon Hayward, Hassan Whiteside!!, Greg Monroe, Cousins)
2012 #5 = Thomas Robinson (Lillard, Drummond, Draymond, Harrison Barnes, Khris Middleton)
2017 #5 = De'Aaron Fox (Jarrett Allen, Bam Adebayo, Donovan Mitchell, Derrick White, John Collins)
1985 #6 = Joe Kleine (Karl Malone, Terry Porter, Detlef Schrempf, A.C. Green, Chris Mullin)
1987 #6 = Kenny Smith (Reggie Miller, Horace Grant, Kevin Johnson, Mark Jackson, Derrick McKey)
2015 #6 = Willie Cauley-Stein (Devin Booker, Myles Turner, Montrezl Harrell, Kevon Looney, Larry Nance)
1990 #7 = Lionel Simmons (Elden Campbell, Toni Kukoc, Antonio Davis, Tyrone Hill, Cedric Ceballos)
1992 #7 = Walt Williams (P.J. Brown, Robert Horry, Clarence Weatherspoon, Latrell Sprewell, Doug Christie)
1993 #7 = Bobby Hurley (Sam Cassell Nick Van Exel, Allan Houston, Bryon Russell, Vin Baker)
1998 #7 = Jason Williams (Dirk, Paul Pierce, Rashard Lewis, Cuttino Mobley, Al Harrington)
2011 #7 = Traded away
2013 #7 = Ben McLemore (Giannis, Gobert, Steven Adams, Mason Plumlee, C.J. McCollum)
1994 #8 = Brian Grant (Eddie Jones, Brian Grant, Jalen Rose, Wesley Person, Aaron McKie)
2014 #8 = Nik Stauskas (Jokic, Clint Capela, Dwight Powell, Kyle Anderson Zach LaVine)
2016 #8 = Traded away
2021 #9 = Davion Mitchell (Sengun, Trey Murphy, Herb Jones, Aaron Wiggins, Ayo Dosunmu)
2007 #10 = Spencer Hawes (Marc Gasol, Thaddeus Young, Jared Dudley, Carl Landry, Arron Afflalo)
2017 #10 = Traded away

As a guy whose mantra is "you can't hit every time", man...that is grim.

This post inspired me to do some analysis on our draft history. How bad is it?

The number that sticks out to me, is that over that period, We've had a league leading 22 draft picks in the 6-15 range, more than any other team

If we're a growing team, a mid level pick can be a valuable asset! But the Kings have mostly been stagnant and mediocre over the past 40 years. In almost all drafts, it doesn't really much matter if we get the 5th best player, vs the 20th best player. Most drafts are 1 deep. An exceptional draft is 3 deep; but no draft so far has been 5 deep with superstars.


(Choosing an arbitrary threshold of 45 career vorp to define a "great player." ) On average, there's one "great player" per draft year; and they show up in in 1 of the top 5 draft spots 60% of the time. And they get picked up in spots 6-15 about 35% of the time. Using the geometric distribution, we'd expect it'd take about 28 picks in the 6-15 range to get a great player, vs 8 picks in the 1-5 range

With that in mind, I don't think we've been particularly unlucky over the past few years; (not particularly skillful either) I think fundamentally the team has had the wrong strategy to try and stockpile mid-level picks. Here's a chart comparing us to other teams over that span

The next question I was interested in; do we miss more superstars than the average team when drafting?
Looking at all the great players drafted over that span of time, I compared "great players" to teams that missed drafting them.

|     |   # of missed great players |
|:----|----------------------------:|
| NOP |                           1 |
| POR |                           3 |
| SAS |                           3 |
| NYK |                           4 |
| MIA |                           4 |
| LAL |                           4 |
| IND |                           4 |
| ORL |                           5 |
| HOU |                           5 |
| DET |                           6 |
| OKC |                           7 |
| BOS |                           7 |
| BRK |                           8 |
| ATL |                           8 |
| DEN |                           9 |
| GSW |                          10 |
| DAL |                          10 |
| CHO |                          11 |
| MIL |                          11 |
| PHO |                          12 |
| WAS |                          12 |
| PHI |                          12 |
| UTA |                          12 |
| TOR |                          13 |
| MIN |                          13 |
| CHI |                          13 |
| MEM |                          14 |
| SAC |                          14 |
| LAC |                          15 |
| CLE |                          17 |

We're in the lower tier, but not exceptionally bad.

Tm
year
Player
adjusted_vorp
Pick
actual_player
actual_pick
UTA
1985
Karl Malone
99.0
13
Joe Kleine
6
IND
1987
Reggie Miller
66.1
11
Kenny Smith
6
PHO
1996
Steve Nash
48.2
15
Peja Stojaković
14
MIL
1998
Dirk Nowitzki
84.8
9
Jason Williams
7
BOS
1998
Paul Pierce
65.5
10
Jason Williams
7
SAS
1999
Manu Ginobili
47.6
57
Ryan Robertson
45
GSW
2009
Stephen Curry
75.3
7
Tyreke Evans
4
IND
2011
Kawhi Leonard
53.7
15
Bismack Biyombo
7
CHI
2011
Jimmy Butler
51.3
30
Bismack Biyombo
7
POR
2012
Damian Lillard
62.8
6
Thomas Robinson
5
MIL
2013
Giannis Antetokounmpo
73.3
15
Ben McLemore
7
DEN
2014
Nikola Jokić
102.8
41
Nik Stauskas
8
ATL
2018
Luka Dončić

73.3
3
Marvin Bagley III
2
CHO
2018
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
57.5
11
Marvin Bagley III
2

I don't feel too bad about missing on Karl, for reasons mentioned earlier. Nor do I mind the misses in the golden age of ~2000.

Most of the damage was done during the Maloof fire sale. It's ok, they can't hurt us any more

 

[ESP47]

This post inspired me to do some analysis on our draft history. How bad is it?

The number that sticks out to me, is that over that period, We've had a league leading 22 draft picks in the 6-15 range, more than any other team
View attachment 14487
If we're a growing team, a mid level pick can be a valuable asset! But the Kings have mostly been stagnant and mediocre over the past 40 years. In almost all drafts, it doesn't really much matter if we get the 5th best player, vs the 20th best player. The best drafts are 1 deep. An exceptional draft is 3 deep; but no draft so far has been 5 deep with superstars.

View attachment 14488
(Choosing an arbitrary threshold of 45 career vorp to define a "great player." ) On average, there's one "great player" per draft year; and they show up in in 1 of the top 5 draft spots 60% of the time. And they get picked up in spots 6-15 about 35% of the time. Using the geometric distribution, we'd expect it'd take about 28 picks in the 6-15 range to get a great player, vs 8 picks in the 1-5 range
View attachment 14489
With that in mind, I don't think we've been particularly unlucky over the past few years; (not particularly skillful either) I think fundamentally the team has had the wrong strategy to try and stockpile mid-level picks. Here's a chart comparing us to other teams over that span
View attachment 14490
The next question I was interested in; do we miss more superstars than the average team when drafting?
Looking at all the great players drafted over that span of time, I compared "great players" to teams that missed drafting them.

|     |   # of missed great players |
|:----|----------------------------:|
| NOP |                           1 |
| POR |                           3 |
| SAS |                           3 |
| NYK |                           4 |
| MIA |                           4 |
| LAL |                           4 |
| IND |                           4 |
| ORL |                           5 |
| HOU |                           5 |
| DET |                           6 |
| OKC |                           7 |
| BOS |                           7 |
| BRK |                           8 |
| ATL |                           8 |
| DEN |                           9 |
| GSW |                          10 |
| DAL |                          10 |
| CHO |                          11 |
| MIL |                          11 |
| PHO |                          12 |
| WAS |                          12 |
| PHI |                          12 |
| UTA |                          12 |
| TOR |                          13 |
| MIN |                          13 |
| CHI |                          13 |
| MEM |                          14 |
| SAC |                          14 |
| LAC |                          15 |
| CLE |                          17 |

View attachment 14491

We're in the lower tier, but not exceptionally bad.

| Tm   |   year | Player                  |   adjusted_vorp | variable   |   value | actual_player     |   actual_pick |
|:-----|-------:|:------------------------|----------------:|:-----------|--------:|:------------------|--------------:|
| UTA  |   1985 | Karl Malone             |         99      | Pk         |      13 | Joe Kleine        |             6 |
| IND  |   1987 | Reggie Miller           |         66.1    | Pk         |      11 | Kenny Smith       |             6 |
| PHO  |   1996 | Steve Nash              |         48.2    | Pk         |      15 | Peja Stojaković                   |            14 |
| MIL  |   1998 | Dirk Nowitzki           |         84.8    | Pk         |       9 | Jason Williams    |             7 |
| BOS  |   1998 | Paul Pierce             |         65.5    | Pk         |      10 | Jason Williams    |             7 |
| SAS  |   1999 | Manu Ginóbili          |         47.6    | Pk         |      57 | Ryan Robertson    |            45 |
| GSW  |   2009 | Stephen Curry           |         75.3    | Pk         |       7 | Tyreke Evans      |             4 |
| IND  |   2011 | Kawhi Leonard           |         53.7857 | Pk         |      15 | Bismack Biyombo   |             7 |
| CHI  |   2011 | Jimmy Butler            |         51.3    | Pk         |      30 | Bismack Biyombo   |             7 |
| POR  |   2012 | Damian Lillard          |         62.8846 | Pk         |       6 | Thomas Robinson   |             5 |
| MIL  |   2013 | Giannis Antetokounmpo   |         73.3846 | Pk         |      15 | Ben McLemore      |             7 |
| DEN  |   2014 | Nikola Jokić                         |        102.818  | Pk         |      41 | Nik Stauskas      |             8 |
| ATL  |   2018 | Luka Dončić                         |         73.3125 | Pk         |       3 | Marvin Bagley III |             2 |
| CHO  |   2018 | Shai Gilgeous-Alexander |         57.5625 | Pk         |      11 | Marvin Bagley III |             2 |

I don't feel too bad about missing on Karl, for reasons mentioned earlier. Nor do I mind the misses in the golden age of ~2000.

Most of the damage was done during the Maloof fire sale. It's ok, they can't hurt us any more

This is what I've been harping about. Vivek incessantly has a need to "make a run at it" every year. Instead of just being bad and stacking top 5 picks, they're consistently mediocre and stacking mid to late lottery picks.

We all know the Kings are notoriously bad at drafting but picking top 5 half the time will eventually cause them to run into a hall of famer now and then.

Question is whether they're going to use this year to get the best odds of picking top 5 or if they're going to fall into the same trap they always fall into that has kept them in record breaking mediocrity for the majority of the last two decades.

 

[forza kings]

They need a rebuild of ownership first.

 

[Tetsujin]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1989322392443773216

 

[Spike]

This post inspired me to do some analysis on our draft history. How bad is it?

The number that sticks out to me, is that over that period, We've had a league leading 22 draft picks in the 6-15 range, more than any other team
View attachment 14487
If we're a growing team, a mid level pick can be a valuable asset! But the Kings have mostly been stagnant and mediocre over the past 40 years. In almost all drafts, it doesn't really much matter if we get the 5th best player, vs the 20th best player. Most drafts are 1 deep. An exceptional draft is 3 deep; but no draft so far has been 5 deep with superstars.

View attachment 14488
(Choosing an arbitrary threshold of 45 career vorp to define a "great player." ) On average, there's one "great player" per draft year; and they show up in in 1 of the top 5 draft spots 60% of the time. And they get picked up in spots 6-15 about 35% of the time. Using the geometric distribution, we'd expect it'd take about 28 picks in the 6-15 range to get a great player, vs 8 picks in the 1-5 range
View attachment 14489
With that in mind, I don't think we've been particularly unlucky over the past few years; (not particularly skillful either) I think fundamentally the team has had the wrong strategy to try and stockpile mid-level picks. Here's a chart comparing us to other teams over that span
View attachment 14490
The next question I was interested in; do we miss more superstars than the average team when drafting?
Looking at all the great players drafted over that span of time, I compared "great players" to teams that missed drafting them.

|     |   # of missed great players |
|:----|----------------------------:|
| NOP |                           1 |
| POR |                           3 |
| SAS |                           3 |
| NYK |                           4 |
| MIA |                           4 |
| LAL |                           4 |
| IND |                           4 |
| ORL |                           5 |
| HOU |                           5 |
| DET |                           6 |
| OKC |                           7 |
| BOS |                           7 |
| BRK |                           8 |
| ATL |                           8 |
| DEN |                           9 |
| GSW |                          10 |
| DAL |                          10 |
| CHO |                          11 |
| MIL |                          11 |
| PHO |                          12 |
| WAS |                          12 |
| PHI |                          12 |
| UTA |                          12 |
| TOR |                          13 |
| MIN |                          13 |
| CHI |                          13 |
| MEM |                          14 |
| SAC |                          14 |
| LAC |                          15 |
| CLE |                          17 |

View attachment 14491

We're in the lower tier, but not exceptionally bad.

| Tm   |   year | Player                  |   adjusted_vorp | variable   |   value | actual_player     |   actual_pick |
|:-----|-------:|:------------------------|----------------:|:-----------|--------:|:------------------|--------------:|
| UTA  |   1985 | Karl Malone             |         99      | Pk         |      13 | Joe Kleine        |             6 |
| IND  |   1987 | Reggie Miller           |         66.1    | Pk         |      11 | Kenny Smith       |             6 |
| PHO  |   1996 | Steve Nash              |         48.2    | Pk         |      15 | Peja Stojaković                   |            14 |
| MIL  |   1998 | Dirk Nowitzki           |         84.8    | Pk         |       9 | Jason Williams    |             7 |
| BOS  |   1998 | Paul Pierce             |         65.5    | Pk         |      10 | Jason Williams    |             7 |
| SAS  |   1999 | Manu Ginóbili          |         47.6    | Pk         |      57 | Ryan Robertson    |            45 |
| GSW  |   2009 | Stephen Curry           |         75.3    | Pk         |       7 | Tyreke Evans      |             4 |
| IND  |   2011 | Kawhi Leonard           |         53.7857 | Pk         |      15 | Bismack Biyombo   |             7 |
| CHI  |   2011 | Jimmy Butler            |         51.3    | Pk         |      30 | Bismack Biyombo   |             7 |
| POR  |   2012 | Damian Lillard          |         62.8846 | Pk         |       6 | Thomas Robinson   |             5 |
| MIL  |   2013 | Giannis Antetokounmpo   |         73.3846 | Pk         |      15 | Ben McLemore      |             7 |
| DEN  |   2014 | Nikola Jokić                         |        102.818  | Pk         |      41 | Nik Stauskas      |             8 |
| ATL  |   2018 | Luka Dončić                         |         73.3125 | Pk         |       3 | Marvin Bagley III |             2 |
| CHO  |   2018 | Shai Gilgeous-Alexander |         57.5625 | Pk         |      11 | Marvin Bagley III |             2 |

I don't feel too bad about missing on Karl, for reasons mentioned earlier. Nor do I mind the misses in the golden age of ~2000.

Most of the damage was done during the Maloof fire sale. It's ok, they can't hurt us any more

 

[Insomniacal Fan]

Hey, I added a bunch of pictures

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

This is what I've been harping about. Vivek incessantly has a need to "make a run at it" every year. Instead of just being bad and stacking top 5 picks, they're consistently mediocre and stacking mid to late lottery picks.

We all know the Kings are notoriously bad at drafting but picking top 5 half the time will eventually cause them to run into a hall of famer now and then.

Question is whether they're going to use this year to get the best odds of picking top 5 or if they're going to fall into the same trap they always fall into that has kept them in record breaking mediocrity for the majority of the last two decades.

They will likely keep the pedal down and spark some 2nd half of the season run that ends up costing them. Get to within a couple games of the 10th spot and desperately push for it

 

[TheMobb]

They will likely keep the pedal down and spark some 2nd half of the season run that ends up costing them. Get to within a couple games of the 10th spot and desperately push for it

But costing them what though? There’s not a lot of downside with the NBA flattening the lottery odds as it was designed to make teams push instead of purposely losing games for a better pick.

 

[fansinceday1]

All top-10 picks in the Sacramento era vs. top-5 players available at that pick by career WS:

1989 #1 = Pervis Ellison (Vlade, Clifford Robinson, Shawn Kemp, Glen Rice, Tim Hardaway)
2018 #2 = Marvin Bagley (SGA, Luka, Brunson, Trae, Mikal Bridges)
1991 #3 = Traded away
2009 #4 = Tyreke Evans (Curry, DeRozan, Jrue, Taj Gibson, Jeff Teague)
2022 #4 = Keegan Murray (Jalen Williams, Jalen Duren, Walker Kessler, Christian Braun, Keegan)
2010 #5 = DeMarcus Cousins (Paul George, Gordon Hayward, Hassan Whiteside!!, Greg Monroe, Cousins)
2012 #5 = Thomas Robinson (Lillard, Drummond, Draymond, Harrison Barnes, Khris Middleton)
2017 #5 = De'Aaron Fox (Jarrett Allen, Bam Adebayo, Donovan Mitchell, Derrick White, John Collins)
1985 #6 = Joe Kleine (Karl Malone, Terry Porter, Detlef Schrempf, A.C. Green, Chris Mullin)
1987 #6 = Kenny Smith (Reggie Miller, Horace Grant, Kevin Johnson, Mark Jackson, Derrick McKey)
2015 #6 = Willie Cauley-Stein (Devin Booker, Myles Turner, Montrezl Harrell, Kevon Looney, Larry Nance)
1990 #7 = Lionel Simmons (Elden Campbell, Toni Kukoc, Antonio Davis, Tyrone Hill, Cedric Ceballos)
1992 #7 = Walt Williams (P.J. Brown, Robert Horry, Clarence Weatherspoon, Latrell Sprewell, Doug Christie)
1993 #7 = Bobby Hurley (Sam Cassell Nick Van Exel, Allan Houston, Bryon Russell, Vin Baker)
1998 #7 = Jason Williams (Dirk, Paul Pierce, Rashard Lewis, Cuttino Mobley, Al Harrington)
2011 #7 = Traded away
2013 #7 = Ben McLemore (Giannis, Gobert, Steven Adams, Mason Plumlee, C.J. McCollum)
1994 #8 = Brian Grant (Eddie Jones, Brian Grant, Jalen Rose, Wesley Person, Aaron McKie)
2014 #8 = Nik Stauskas (Jokic, Clint Capela, Dwight Powell, Kyle Anderson Zach LaVine)
2016 #8 = Traded away
2021 #9 = Davion Mitchell (Sengun, Trey Murphy, Herb Jones, Aaron Wiggins, Ayo Dosunmu)
2007 #10 = Spencer Hawes (Marc Gasol, Thaddeus Young, Jared Dudley, Carl Landry, Arron Afflalo)
2017 #10 = Traded away

As a guy whose mantra is "you can't hit every time", man...that is grim.

Wow, that is brutal. Yeah, I made the right decision not being a fan anymore. I have a feeling there are a lot of people out there who are close to putting this team out to Pasture. Vivek trading valuable draft picks for ja or Anthony Davis would do it.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

But costing them what though? There’s not a lot of downside with the NBA flattening the lottery odds as it was designed to make teams push instead of purposely losing games for a better pick.

at the continued cost of not fully developing their younger players. Go into next season still not fully knowing what they have

 

[TheMobb]

at the continued cost of not fully developing their younger players. Go into next season still not fully knowing what they have

Thanks for clarifying. I’m hoping we see at least 1 trade that clears the logjam.

 

[fansinceday1]

at the continued cost of not fully developing their younger players. Go into next season still not fully knowing what they have

Seems to me the kings aren’t good at any aspect of building a team. Trading , drafting, or developing those drafted players. Man, what a bleak thought. There needs to be something, anything, for the fans to hold on to.

 

[QWERTYLICIOUS]

2009 #4 = Tyreke Evans (Curry, DeRozan, Jrue, Taj Gibson, Jeff Teague)

As one who was very high on Ricky Rubio in 2009, and absolutely wanted us to draft him over Tyreke, I have to wonder how different (if any different at all) things would've been had we drafted Rubio instead. Not going to come out and say that we would have had any significant degree of success, because nothing tells me that we would, but I would've been intrigued at how the team would've looked moving forward if we had drafted Rubio instead of Tyreke.

Also not knocking Tyreke at all either. Dude had one of the most memorable rookie campaigns in Sacramento, if not the most memorable one, in history, and he was most certainly fun to watch.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Seems to me the kings aren’t good at any aspect of building a team. Trading , drafting, or developing those drafted players. Man, what a bleak thought. There needs to be something, anything, for the fans to hold on to.

Yeah, it all starts at the top. The guy has continued to have no clue about how to build a team.

With a good owner committed toward building success with no attempted short cuts, things would be very different

 

[Insomniacal Fan]

As one who was very high on Ricky Rubio in 2009, and absolutely wanted us to draft him over Tyreke, I have to wonder how different (if any different at all) things would've been had we drafted Rubio instead. Not going to come out and say that we would have had any significant degree of success, because nothing tells me that we would, but I would've been intrigued at how the team would've looked moving forward if we had drafted Rubio instead of Tyreke.

Also not knocking Tyreke at all either. Dude had one of the most memorable rookie campaigns in Sacramento, if not the most memorable one, in history, and he was most certainly fun to watch.

I wonder if Rubio could have been a little bit better than he turned out. I certainly expected him to be based on his olympic play.

I also think it would have been cool if we drafted Steph Curry.

 

[BuddyBuckets]

Sabonis really feels like the one to deal with first. The longer this drags, the more his value decreases IMO. He will eventually ask out, maybe even demand where to. So what are logical landing spots, center needy teams?

Celtics - Not much to offer, but Simons big expiring + Hauser + Picks?
Hornets? - Are they ready to take a leap?
Suns? - Are they ready for another big contract? They have Green they could use for matching. No picks though.
Blazers - My favorite landing spot. Waiving Ayton hurt the expiring matching salary. Do we take on Grant if it comes with Scoot + picks?
Grizzlies - They may blow up themselves, but if they don't Aldama/KCP gets there for salary + they have extra picks.
GS - Kuminga/Buddy/Moody - are we past the Kuminga phase? We really should be trying to get Dyabante or Boozer next to Keegan.

Lots of maybes here. No clear answer. Hopefully Amick is right and teams are calling.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Sabonis really feels like the one to deal with first. The longer this drags, the more his value decreases IMO. He will eventually ask out, maybe even demand where to. So what are logical landing spots, center needy teams?

Celtics - Not much to offer, but Simons big expiring + Hauser + Picks?
Hornets? - Are they ready to take a leap?
Suns? - Are they ready for another big contract? They have Green they could use for matching. No picks though.
Blazers - My favorite landing spot. Waiving Ayton hurt the expiring matching salary. Do we take on Grant if it comes with Scoot + picks?
Grizzlies - They may blow up themselves, but if they don't Aldama/KCP gets there for salary + they have extra picks.
GS - Kuminga/Buddy/Moody - are we past the Kuminga phase? We really should be trying to get Dyabante or Boozer next to Keegan.

Lots of maybes here. No clear answer. Hopefully Amick is right and teams are calling.

I'd bet that Golden State asks for Keon in that Sabonis trade scenario

 

[pdxKingsFan]

If he demands a destination it will be GSW or LAL.

Blazers I'd be fine with. There's wine country up here too they could expand to. Grant with 3 firsts would be a fair trade. Forget Scoot.

 

[fansinceday1]

I'd bet that Golden State asks for Keon in that Sabonis trade scenario

Your probably gonna lose Keon anyway, why not package him with Domas?

 

[Joshyjosh31]

Your probably gonna lose Keon anyway, why not package him with Domas?

No

If he demands a destination it will be GSW or LAL.

Blazers I'd be fine with. There's wine country up here too they could expand to. Grant with 3 firsts would be a fair trade. Forget Scoot.

Lakers have nothing to trade he would for sure be okay with Portland with the connections and they could be a playoff team

GSW has to give up ‘28 and ‘30 unprotected no questions about and and nothing to debate I don’t care how much the idiot FO likes Kuminga those two picks have to be unprotected