Arco game report: Player of the Month is still out of action

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Arco game report: Player of the Month is still out of action



By Joe Davidson -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 2:15 am PST Wednesday, February 2, 2005

Chris Webber vowed to produce months like this, to lead the Kings in every imaginable way. The power forward was true to his word, if honors speak for anything.



Tuesday, Webber was named the Western Conference Player of the Month after leading the Kings to a 12-4 record in January. He averaged 22.5 points, 10.3 rebounds and 4.8 assists. The award signified that Webber's return from major knee surgery has been a success, considering that the same sort of microfracture surgery he endured still hinders Allan Houston of the New York Knicks and Eduardo Najera of the Golden State Warriors, among others.



But Tuesday was a mixed day for Webber. He started his February on the bench in street clothes for the second straight game to rest that left knee.

"It feels pretty good," Webber said of the honor and the knee in general. "Hopefully, I can get back on track soon. It's been a tough stretch (sitting out)."

Winning one for the coach

In beating the Kings 106-101, the Seattle SuperSonics played their second straight game without coach Nate McMillan. His mother, Jeanette Tyson, died Sunday at age 62. Her funeral is Friday.



Associate head coach Dwane Casey coached the team Monday, a lethargic loss to the Spurs, and he was at the helm Tuesday.

"This game tonight was for Nate and his family," Casey said.

Bradley time

Michael Bradley, the forgotten piece of the Doug Christie-Cuttino Mobley trade, had his best outing for the Kings with six points and four rebounds.



"I stay ready," the forward said. "This is my fourth year (in the NBA), and things haven't always gone my way. I've had to fight for every opportunity that I've had."

Serbian brothers in arms

Vladimir Radmanovic grew up idolizing Vlade Divac.



Then he became fast friends with Peja Stojakovic. Now a key member of the Sonics, Radmanovic said he feels for his ailing fellow Serbian colleagues. Divac is the former Kings captain now hampered with a bad back and stuck mostly in the Lakers' training room for treatment. Stojakovic is the Kings' No. 2 scorer who has missed the last four games with back spasms.

"I saw Vlade when we played in Los Angeles (last week) and he's hoping to get back out there on the floor soon," Radmanovic said. "I know he's frustrated. Vlade's like a god back home. Everyone loves him. Now I hear about Peja, and I worry about him. I know he's frustrated. What's up with the water in Sacramento?"

Kings for the day

DARIUS SONGAILA In another start in place of Chris Webber, Songaila contributed a career-high 19 points to go with seven rebounds. He has become increasingly reliable with the 15-foot jumper and is never short on grit and hustle.



Question posed

HOW LONG CAN THE KINGS GO WITHOUT WEBBER AND STOJAKOVIC? The Kings nearly upended another playoff-type opponent despite not having their two leading scorers in All-Star forwards Chris Webber and Peja Stojakovic. The longer they sit, the more of a concern their absence becomes. In the meantime, the Kings will depend on Darius Songaila and Matt Barnes to provide big minutes. Sure, the Kings can ride the adrenaline, hustle and enthusiasm of the bench players for a while, but in this league, the talent drain will begin to take its toll.






- Joe Davidson

Big number

5 - Technical fouls during the third quarter, when things became chippy.



Sound bite

"I don't have a shock collar to keep him from doing that."


-- Kings coach Rick Adelman
on Brad Miller's penchant for picking up technical fouls
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shock collar might not be a bad idea for Brad. Or just some big guy over on the bench to slap him silly every time he does it.


Am a little concerned with Webb's knee. First 4 games he took off this year all seemed to be logical misses timed against weak opponents at home -- just sort of a precautionary rest thing. But you know that these last two games he would have wanted to be out there, so it must have really been hurting.
 
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Yeah missing 2 in row is also troublesome, but hopefull it's still a precautionary thing. Maybe Tag can be the one who is assinged to dope slap Brad... not sure any other King really is up to the task.
 
Reports out of Sacramento indicate that Webber may be listed as day-to-day for the remainder of the season because of his knee problems. We'll let that sink in for a second. Ready? Ok, that means that he could miss any game from now on to rest the knee and stick fantasy owners with a big ol' zero. If you can trade Webber it would be wise to get rid of him while he still is worth something.

Its chronic pain i got the same thing if i go play basketball tonight i could play good but i am gunna be hurting tomorow, and usually for me the pain goes away and i am ready to go out and play the next day.
 
"I don't have a shock collar to keep him from doing that."


thats so frickin hilarious...thats so going in my signature....some don't find RA to be a funny man...but i always enjoy his one-liners
 
godsthename said:
If you can trade Webber it would be wise to get rid of him while he still is worth something.
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And we've kept this little secret from all the other teams?

I think the Kings will be fine resting Webber's knee so that he is ready to play in the playoffs. He's has more value to the team than any fantasy trade. The problem right now is that the injuries are all hitting at the same time when the schedule is heavy. Get Peja and Evans back along with soe rest for Mobley and his groin strain, and they can withstand Webber missing games here and there.
 
JB_kings said:
And we've kept this little secret from all the other teams?

I think the Kings will be fine resting Webber's knee so that he is ready to play in the playoffs. He's has more value to the team than any fantasy trade. The problem right now is that the injuries are all hitting at the same time when the schedule is heavy. Get Peja and Evans back along with soe rest for Mobley and his groin strain, and they can withstand Webber missing games here and there.
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I'm not sure, but I think he was referring to fantasy owners trading him? Kinda random.
 
Bricklayer said:
shock collar might not be a bad idea for Brad. Or just some big guy over on the bench to slap him silly every time he does it.


Am a little concerned with Webb's knee. First 4 games he took off this year all seemed to be logical misses timed against weak opponents at home -- just sort of a precautionary rest thing. But you know that these last two games he would have wanted to be out there, so it must have really been hurting.
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This is the most concerned I've been about Webb's knee all season. I got a little nervous when he sat out Minnesota, just because he doesn't typically sit out for good teams. Then when he missed a second game, despite having a couple days rest in between, I got even more nervous. I don't know much about knee injuries, but I had been hoping that as the season went on it would get stronger. lol... I guess pounding around on it for an hour at a time isn't helping, huh? We will have to wait & see on this one, but I agree, at this point it's obviously not just being prudent about letting Webb rest when we don't need him as much.
 
Webber has been very active and playing well lately, however, his body is beginning to break down and we may need to think about making some moves before he loses value. After getting player of the month honors and having his highest stock value in a while, it's not unrealistic to get something good out of a multi-team trade.
 
moppeh said:
Webber has been very active and playing well lately, however, his body is beginning to break down and we may need to think about making some moves before he loses value. After getting player of the month honors and having his highest stock value in a while, it's not unrealistic to get something good out of a multi-team trade.
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Same problems as always:
1. What team wants Webber, his iffy status, and his contract?
2. Who could we get for him that would be as valuable to us?

Unless you're going to suggest answers to those, why continue to pummel the deceased equine about a trade?
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Then I guess it's a good thing I've already explored this.

Sacramento trades: PF Chris Webber (21.4 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 5.0 apg in 35.6 minutes)
PG Bobby Jackson (11.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 2.3 apg in 21.7 minutes)

Sacramento receives: PF Elton Brand (19.6 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 2.9 apg in 37.8 minutes)
SG Kerry Kittles (6.3 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 1.8 apg in 22.1 minutes)

Change in team outlook: -7.4 ppg, -0.3 rpg, and -2.6 apg.



New York trades: SG Anfernee Hardaway (5.8 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 1.9 apg in 22.0 minutes)
C Kurt Thomas (12.0 ppg, 9.7 rpg, 2.0 apg in 36.7 minutes)

New York receives: PF Chris Webber (21.4 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 5.0 apg in 35.6 minutes)
PG Bobby Jackson (11.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 2.3 apg in 21.7 minutes)

Change in team outlook: +15.5 ppg, +0.6 rpg, and +3.4 apg.



L.A. Clippers trades: PF Elton Brand (19.6 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 2.9 apg in 37.8 minutes)
SG Kerry Kittles (6.3 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 1.8 apg in 22.1 minutes)

L.A. Clippers receives: SG Anfernee Hardaway (5.8 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 1.9 apg in 22.0 minutes)
C Kurt Thomas (12.0 ppg, 9.7 rpg, 2.0 apg in 36.7 minutes)

Change in team outlook: -8.1 ppg, -0.3 rpg, and -0.8 apg.



TRADE ACCEPTED
 
moppeh said:
Then I guess it's a good thing I've already explored this.

Sacramento trades: PF Chris Webber (21.4 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 5.0 apg in 35.6 minutes)
PG Bobby Jackson (11.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 2.3 apg in 21.7 minutes)

Sacramento receives: PF Elton Brand (19.6 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 2.9 apg in 37.8 minutes)
SG Kerry Kittles (6.3 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 1.8 apg in 22.1 minutes)

TRADE ACCEPTED
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Ha! I like the way you think. And Chris winds up in NY. Seriously, Brand is one of the very few players I'd both like to have and think we could eventually get.

Welcome to the board, BTW.
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Kingsgurl said:
Explain to me WHY the Clippers would want to trade Brand and Kittles for Hardaway and Thomas?????
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They're the Clippers. 'Nuff said.

But honestly I just don't like the idea of trading away our leader in the middle of a season of championship contention. Any struggles we're having are mainly due to injuries. Healthy, we're neck and neck with the Spurs as the top team.

But when/if Petrie sees fit for Webb to move on, Brand is a guy I'd like to see (other than the obvious Duncan/Garnett/J. O'Neal/Stoudamire).
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You trade Webber right now and your rip the heart right out of this team. No way we can even begin to recover in time to be more than a footnote in the playoffs.

If we fall short, and well short, in the playoffs again will be the time when those sorts of options will be open. Actually not that particular option. But if we flamed out in the first round just about anybody could be on the block.

P.S. Elton is about as good as he's going to get right now -- not really much better than he was when he first arrived in the league. Which means he's a great player. But also means he really doesn't seem to have it in him to be a difference maker. Not sure if that's what we'll be looking for. If championship is the goal, means we would have to find a true superstar leader type player from other quarters.
 
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I don't even understand why we're talking about trading Webber in a thread that's title mentions that he's player of the month! Webber is the heart of this team right now. On the court and as a leader/motivator of this team he is where he needs to be. If he can stay basically healthy by missing a game or two now or then it's a small price to pay to have such a great player. Worrying about his trade value somewhere down the line is only practicle if you're willing to write off this year, which I'm sure not!
 
Nobody trades the leader/best player off of a champiosnhip contender mid-season LTK, especially not Petrie. Wouldn't worry about it. One of those "on paper" types of things that ignores the human situation on the ground.
 
Kingsgurl said:
Explain to me WHY the Clippers would want to trade Brand and Kittles for Hardaway and Thomas?????
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They wouldn't. It's just another "Real GM make the numbers work so we can get rid of Chris, whether or not the trade makes any sense for ALL teams " post.

I think that dead horse has been beaten so much, it can now be directly packaged as puppy chow.
 
Here's why they would make the trade:

1) Thomas is a cheaper version of Brand.

2) Hardaway's contract comes off the books after next season which would free up a ton of cap space for el cheapo Donald Sterling.

Thereby saving Mr. Sterling some money down the road. :)
 
moppeh said:
Here's why they would make the trade:

1) Thomas is a cheaper version of Brand.

2) Hardaway's contract comes off the books after next season which would free up a ton of cap space for el cheapo Donald Sterling.

Thereby saving Mr. Sterling some money down the road. :)
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oh please. Are you in NY? Because you sound like some of the mroe delusioanl columnists around here constantly dreaming up reasons why every player and/or coach wants to play in NY, and how every GM is just going to give the Knicks their stars in return for utter garbage.
 
If you understand Donald Sterling, then you know winning is the last thing on his mind. The guy is all about the pocket book. Anyway, let's just move on...

Congrats on getting player of the month Chris. :D
 
Give The Man The Respect He Deservesm, **** The Title If You Wanna **** The Heart And Sole Of The Team Over.
 
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