Any 'Lost' Fans in the House? (Possible Spoilers!)

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

I finally Cracked, Decided to watch lost - season 1 to 4 and get into what ive herd so much about.

This show surpassed all expectations i had going in .. i was totally hooked, i started watching season 1 3 weeks ago and yesterday i finished the season 4 finale so thats basically all ive done with my freetime for the passed month and all i can say is wow. This show is incredible and I cant wait for season 5 to start up, Aside from The Office this is easily my favorite show on TV.

Any Thoughts on how season 5 will go? Im not sure i like how season 4 went away from the 'flashbacks' and started showing whats going to happen in the future instead of just letting things happen but im sure they'll make it work.

 

[bozzwell]

Unbelievable. I did exact same thing. I finally started watching it 3 weeks ago and just finished season 4 last night. I think it's all these desert island drafts going on that finally broke me. And since The Wire is over I have nothing other then sports to look forward to.

I love the premise of the show and the format (with flashbacks and flash-forwards) but there is too much filler and they're milking it with what will end up being over 100 episodes. I am also afraid that they will botch in the end with all the mysteries and either leave it too open (a la Sopranos) or make it too tidy (Deus Ex Machina style).

The acting (or lack thereof) also bothers me a lot. I just can't help but think that it would be greatest show on Earth - if it was made by HBO and in half as many episodes. In fact, if HBO didn't cancell John from Cincinnati I wouldn't even watch Lost this summer.

 

[tradepeja]

Been watching it since Day 1. Have recommended it to so many people, and while its a popular show, still not everyone I know that will love it has sat down and watched it. Anyone that has has become immediately hooked.

I'm with you though, its my favorite show along with The Office. Not sure if I can put one above the other though....they are just too different.

As far as season 5, I am waiting to be surprised in how they pull it off. A year passes off the island between the faux press conference and Locke's "funeral." So will Season 5 take place during this year or after it? How much time passes on the island after it teleported with Locke and all of them(or goes back in time, which is the more prevalent theory). Will there be more flash-forwards or will it go back to flashbacks? Who knows.

 

[Superman]

This is my favorite show on TV, hands down. I like Heroes and The Office a lot, but I'm not chomping at the bit for more of either of those shows. But I'm already having withdrawals from Lost, and it's only been a month!

I have a thousand questions about Season 5, but I can't really put most of them into words, so I'll have to leave that alone.

Interesting revelation I made a few days ago, watching an old Season 2 episode that cross-references with a Season 4 episode. The rest of this post has spoilers, so tread lightly if you're not all caught up.

In "What Kate Did", episode 2.09, Locke shows Eko and Michael the film about entering the numbers into the computer. Eko seems disturbed about something when Locke asks him what he thinks about the film, and Eko gets up and leaves without answering.

Later on, Eko comes back and asks Locke to sit down, because he wants to share something with him. So Eko starts telling Locke about King Josiah of Judah.

Here's the transcript:
EKO: At that time the temple where the people worshipped was in ruin. And so the people worshipped idols, false gods. And so the kingdom was in disarray. Josiah, since he was a good king, sent his secretary to the treasury and said: "We must rebuild the temple. Give all of the gold to the workers so that this will be done." But when the secretary returned, he had no gold. And when Josiah asked why this was the secretary replied, "We found a book." Do you know this story?
LOCKE: No, I'm afraid I don't.
EKO: What the secretary had found was an ancient book -- the Book of Law. You may know it as the Old Testament. And it was with that ancient book, not with the gold, that Josiah rebuilt the temple. On the other side of the island we found a place much like this, and in this place we found a book. [Eko unwraps the book and pushes it toward Locke] I believe what's inside there will be of great value to you.
[Locke opens the book. A square has been cut out, and inside is a piece of film.]

That caught my attention. Know why?

In episode 4.11, Cabin Fever, we see a flashback of John Locke as a young boy, when he's visited by Richard Alpert. Alpert tests young Locke, and leaves frustrated that he didn't "pass" the test at that time; he apparently wasn't ready to fulfill his destiny.

What was so interesting to me is that, as part of the test, Alpert takes some seemingly insignificant items out of his bag and sets them on the table in front of young Locke. One of those items was a big, heavy book. It was labeled "Book of Laws".

One thing I know from watching Lost is that there are no coincidences, especially when we're talking about things that were intentionally presented to us by the writers. Since there really wasn't to much of a point to Eko's story at the time that he told it, I have to believe that it has some significance to the test Alpert gave young Locke.

I think Locke's destiny is to rebuild the Island's hierarchy, get it's people all back on track and away from the pursuits that Ben had placed priority on (fertility, etc.), and restore the Island's proper balance. Much the same way King Josiah restored Judah and it's temple to true worship.

Any thoughts?

 

[Kingzrool]

Lost is awesome. Take my advice, the way you saw the first 4 seasons is the only way to watch lost. With all the commercial breaks, waiting from week to week and skipped weeks, it loses some of the effect. Wait until season 5 is out on DVD and watch it then, you will not be dissappointed.

In the meantime, check this link, it rocks.

http://www.timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.html

 

[Kingzrool]

This is my favorite show on TV, hands down. I like Heroes and The Office a lot, but I'm not chomping at the bit for more of either of those shows. But I'm already having withdrawals from Lost, and it's only been a month!

I have a thousand questions about Season 5, but I can't really put most of them into words, so I'll have to leave that alone.

Interesting revelation I made a few days ago, watching an old Season 2 episode that cross-references with a Season 4 episode. The rest of this post has spoilers, so tread lightly if you're not all caught up.

In "What Kate Did", episode 2.09, Locke shows Eko and Michael the film about entering the numbers into the computer. Eko seems disturbed about something when Locke asks him what he thinks about the film, and Eko gets up and leaves without answering.

Later on, Eko comes back and asks Locke to sit down, because he wants to share something with him. So Eko starts telling Locke about King Josiah of Judah.

Here's the transcript:
EKO: At that time the temple where the people worshipped was in ruin. And so the people worshipped idols, false gods. And so the kingdom was in disarray. Josiah, since he was a good king, sent his secretary to the treasury and said: "We must rebuild the temple. Give all of the gold to the workers so that this will be done." But when the secretary returned, he had no gold. And when Josiah asked why this was the secretary replied, "We found a book." Do you know this story?
LOCKE: No, I'm afraid I don't.
EKO: What the secretary had found was an ancient book -- the Book of Law. You may know it as the Old Testament. And it was with that ancient book, not with the gold, that Josiah rebuilt the temple. On the other side of the island we found a place much like this, and in this place we found a book. [Eko unwraps the book and pushes it toward Locke] I believe what's inside there will be of great value to you.
[Locke opens the book. A square has been cut out, and inside is a piece of film.]

That caught my attention. Know why?

In episode 4.11, Cabin Fever, we see a flashback of John Locke as a young boy, when he's visited by Richard Alpert. Alpert tests young Locke, and leaves frustrated that he didn't "pass" the test at that time; he apparently wasn't ready to fulfill his destiny.

What was so interesting to me is that, as part of the test, Alpert takes some seemingly insignificant items out of his bag and sets them on the table in front of young Locke. One of those items was a big, heavy book. It was labeled "Book of Laws".

One thing I know from watching Lost is that there are no coincidences, especially when we're talking about things that were intentionally presented to us by the writers. Since there really wasn't to much of a point to Eko's story at the time that he told it, I have to believe that it has some significance to the test Alpert gave young Locke.

I think Locke's destiny is to rebuild the Island's hierarchy, get it's people all back on track and away from the pursuits that Ben had placed priority on (fertility, etc.), and restore the Island's proper balance. Much the same way King Josiah restored Judah and it's temple to true worship.

Any thoughts?

You need to check out the above link.

 

[Kingzrool]

Unbelievable. I did exact same thing. I finally started watching it 3 weeks ago and just finished season 4 last night. I think it's all these desert island drafts going on that finally broke me. And since The Wire is over I have nothing other then sports to look forward to.

I love the premise of the show and the format (with flashbacks and flash-forwards) but there is too much filler and they're milking it with what will end up being over 100 episodes. I am also afraid that they will botch in the end with all the mysteries and either leave it too open (a la Sopranos) or make it too tidy (Deus Ex Machina style).

The acting (or lack thereof) also bothers me a lot. I just can't help but think that it would be greatest show on Earth - if it was made by HBO and in half as many episodes. In fact, if HBO didn't cancell John from Cincinnati I wouldn't even watch Lost this summer.

It is the dialogue that kills me. I actually stopped watching the first season because of it. But then I watched all the DVD's and got sucked back in. I tried to watch last season, but could not stay focused, I am waiting for the DVD to watch the season, it is sooooooo much better that way.

 

[tradepeja]

It is the dialogue that kills me. I actually stopped watching the first season because of it. But then I watched all the DVD's and got sucked back in. I tried to watch last season, but could not stay focused, I am waiting for the DVD to watch the season, it is sooooooo much better that way.

Meh, this is where opinions can differ. It kills me to have to TiVo an episode of Lost and watch it an hour later. Hell, back when I was really crazy in s2 and s3 I used to torrent them after they finished up in the East and watch them a little bit before they even came on here in CA. I just have to see them ASAP. I just retain the info and it doesn't seem to hurt the story for me. Except maybe during those couple month breaks they had in earlier seasons....grr


Oh and that time loop theory is awesome, I thought I 'd be the only fan crazy enough to read that on this board. Its deifnitely deep.

 

[bozzwell]

I like the idea of time loop theory, but I almost entirely disagree with the interpretation on the site from the link.

Here is why:

- Time travel is only one aspect of the story. Yes the story seems to be happening in a time-loop, and there is really no convincing/good conclusion to the story without some/many mysteries being explained away by time-travel and time-loop. However, not everything is/can be explained by time-travel and time-loop.
- It completely ignores alternate universe/mirror-matter/Alice-matter aspects and clues in the story. There is number of clues/mysteries pointing to that theory (Mirror matter theory on ABC's forums). Mirror matter is also called Alice matter after Alice and Through The Looking Glass (there is episode of same title and I believe Sawyer reads the story to Aaron, rabbits and hatches/holes in the ground etc.).
- Strong hints exist throughout series and in a lot of writing that Lost Island hosts some sort of manifestation of Unified Theory. Natural conlusion to me is that the script will unify theories through various manifestation of strong and weak forces/magnetic/nuclear forces/quantum theory etc.

So, I think, in no particular order, here are some of the resolutions:

- Island has mirror-matter properties that allow it to band time-space continuum and island/islanders can jump through time and space (time travel and teleportation.
- Island teleported, it was not destroyed.
- Black Rock arrived to the island during one of the teleportation jumps, that's why the ship is in the middle of the island and not on the shoreline.
- Hanso was on the ship. He somehow discovered Islands teleportation/time travel properties and started using them to his advantage. Kind of Higlander style, where he is able to "live forever" thanks to time/space jumps and amass huge knowledge/wealth/power in the meantime.
- From previous: Widmore could be the same person as Hanso. Somehow, he got booted of "his" island and lost his power and now is aging and living normally in present without ability to jump, so he wants to go back to the island. This would make Widmore the main bad guy.
- Somehow, somewhere along the line, Hanso/Widmore has screwed up the future to the point that the World is threated with extinction/destruction of Earth. People that are on/came to island discovered that, got him off the island (that jump would explain Atlantic episode of the island and how plain from Africa/Yemi's plain would arrive there) and hid the island from him. These are your hostiles/others and DHARMA would be one of Hanso/Widmore's efforts to harness Island's power.
- From previous - Richard does not age because he is from the future and keeps jumping back in our time and past in order to warn the islanders of the "big screw up" that threatens life/Earth.
- Something happened to destabilize Islands time/space jumps so they are out of control and Ben/Richard/Islanders cannot just jump back and kill Hanso/Widmore. They need help of Locke/815 passangers to fix it. This would make Ben and Richard the good guys. Ben letting people die, including his own daughter is explained because he knows that ultimate goal it to reset all the time travel, fix time/space/??? problems that are threatening the World and everything goes back to normal/everyone is alive:
1. Hanso never discovers the island
2. Time/space/??? anomaly never happens
3. Sequence of event goes back to normal.
4. With everything fixed, including whatever was wrong with flight 815 (accident or sabotage) the show ends with flight 815 arriving safely to LA, all the passangers are off the plane alive and well.
5. For the true Hollywood ending, this would also have to include some sort of massaging the history so that Kate doesn't end up in prisonm Jack doesn't end up being screw up etc.

 

[bozzwell]

It is the dialogue that kills me. I actually stopped watching the first season because of it. But then I watched all the DVD's and got sucked back in. I tried to watch last season, but could not stay focused, I am waiting for the DVD to watch the season, it is sooooooo much better that way.

I couldn't wait for DVD so I bought S4 off of iTunes. Yeah, DVR has spoiled me too, it's so cool to record shows and watch them "in bulk".