rhythmless
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He's an ironman. Up until last year, he only missed 6 games in 15 years.
He's an ironman. Up until last year, he only missed 6 games in 15 years.
Chubbs
Starter
I watched him a lot the year he led the league in assists (2001-2002) and I remember him dislocating his shoulder and coming back after 1 game. The official internet record says he missed one game that season with a bruised shoulder.
And it's not the only time he's played through a bad shoulder, as this article attests to. http://www.nba.com/nuggets/news/tough_miller_03_22_2012.html
He had a 22 assist 9 steal game that season and by my quick count 15 games with 15 plus assists.
IfAt1st
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Oh, you're right - there were definitely some KF's asking for them along with me.
I was generalizing, obviously.
(IOW, that wasn't my contention)
Not everyone was against vets - but a significant number of Kings fans, across the internet and other mediums (radio, etc) have been anti-vet, and pro-draft as the method to get better. (I could provide quotes and threads from KF as proof, if I desired)
(Generalizing!) The Kings fanbase was VERY influenced by the way the Thunder became a basketball power (such as they are) - by sucking a few years and drafting well. We've all heard the same cliche'd hopeful story/plan for YEARS.
FINALLY, the fanbase is coming to the hard-earned understanding that draft picks alone are not going to cut it.
I've finally been hearing the radio mouths start telling it like it is : that OKC got incredibly lucky and that's not a good plan to become competitive in this league. Stable, experienced veterans are needed along with draft talents (along with other things like a stable ownership group, a stable local economy/etc, a respected coach that will be there more than a year and knows what the hell he's doing)
A significant number of Kings fans on other mediums may or may not have been anti-vet. What I'm saying and you're glossing over is that it wasn't the prevailing opinion around here, which is what I generally assume people are talking about when they say Kings fans. As far as some of the idiots that call into the talk shows, there's a reason Grant yells at them in frustration. 
I'm simply contesting your initial assertion that it was you against the masses crying for a veteran presence. Around here that wasn't the case.
I'm simply contesting your initial assertion that it was you against the masses crying for a veteran presence. Around here that wasn't the case.
rhythmless
Starter
People throw out "we need a vet" too easily. Much like you can't just get any high draft pick and flip it into a star (Jimmer, Robinson, Mclemore, Stauskas) you can't assume a vet will do anything just because he's old. Old doesn't equal teacher. There are a lot of vets that aren't capable or interested in teaching a younger generation. You need a vet that WANTS to be there, otherwise they're just languishing on the bench and wishing they could go to a contender. I doubt Andre Miller would do much for us if we still had Corbin.
Miller will function like a player coach. Karl said that Miller will learn the play book faster than he will.
Against the Celtics, Miller looked pretty fresh and made some nice plays leading the team.
Against the Clippers, he looked like he had tired 38 year old legs and was very average. He will help the Kings, on the road, in the locker room, and with limited strategic minutes on the floor.
Against the Celtics, Miller looked pretty fresh and made some nice plays leading the team.
Against the Clippers, he looked like he had tired 38 year old legs and was very average. He will help the Kings, on the road, in the locker room, and with limited strategic minutes on the floor.
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KingMilz
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There will never be another Andre Miller in the NBA.
twslam07
All-Star
Didn't see this posted anywhere yet...
I would be more than happy to keep this guy around for another whole season to help mentor our young guys as well as give us productive spot minutes here and there. I wonder if he's willing to take the veteran minimum or if it will require more money to keep him here.
twslam07
All-Star
Not debating that at all. I'm just curious to see what he would want. If it comes down to the Kings signing a couple of players that absorb all of our cap room, is he willing to take the veteran minimum to stay with us (even if he has better offers on the table) or is his mindset more along the lines of "I'll go with the Kings if all I have are matching offers?"
You didn't read post #28, did you?
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KingMilz
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Dre's never been a ring chaser/super team groupie like a lot of these vets which disgust me like Ray Allen and company.
It's never bothered me when a guy is in the last couple years of his career. I hate the whole team up in our prime thing but for a guy that never got there, I get it.
In any case, that only applies to star players. No one ever cared who Joe Smith or Kurt Thomas was "teaming up" with. And even for star players like Nash I thought his going to LA wasn't unreasonable. The guys want to win and accomplish stuff, if they couldn't do it alone for the most part of their careers I see no issue in wanting to team up as their careers wind down.
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