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[Rumor] Amick: Scott Perry is “Thinking big”
- Thread starter Tetsujin
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It’s all the citrus in his diet
Yeah, it's definitely going to be an interesting summer. THIS is the true fork in the road off-season, depending on what Vivek will allow or not. The Kings could truly be set up for massive success in a few years if they chose to tear this thing down and ship out Domas/Monk/DDR/LaVine for spare parts this off-season and just accept being bad for a few years. Wait out the end of Bron/Steph/AD/Kyrie/Harden/Kawhi's career and have a team ready to pounce when a lot of the current elite players get aged out. We have all our picks back and the few we got from the Fox deal. And judging by what we're seeing and hearing about this off-season, I think a lot of teams are incredibly antsy to push their chips in now.
Again, fans would have an absolute blast watching Carter/Keon/Keegan all get 35+ minutes a game next season. Because at least we'd have a future to look forward to and a reasonable path to being a great team down the line. We missed our window with this core after beam team 1. That was supposed to be our ascension to the top of the West and we've fallen for 2 years straight.
Joshyjosh31
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Exactly fans won’t revolt watching us win something like 30 games when we’re watching and developing our young guys. Then you have that these next two drafts are strong if you land in the top four next draft it's franchise changing.
Beats chasing the 8th seed with no real end goal but just to make the playoffs that year
Padrino
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While I've been a huge fan of Domas' since his arrival, and one of the few who will not leave his corner if he stays, my preferred route to franchise stability and sustainable winning is for the GM and coach to be allied in their aims, and for them to reshape this roster by rebuilding properly and patiently through the draft.
Now, I don't think Scott Perry is going to get the green light for a proper rebuild, but if he does, I hope he understands that you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. I hope he knows what he's got in Keegan, Keon, and Carter. If Perry and Christie want to commit to a defensive identity, those three are the place to begin. Everybody else can be traded for whatever picks and spare parts they can get back.
Keegan/Keon/Carter shouldn't be the "young guys" on this team... because none of them are particularly young by NBA standards. Keon is 25. Keegan is 24. And Carter is 23. Those three should be the veterans that anchor a proper rebuild. None is terribly likely to transform into a superstar, but they're high character individuals who bust their asses and can help set the tone for a new era of Kings basketball while Perry and his front office go deep on draft preparation for the next few years. That's what I would prefer, but we'll see what kind of leash Vivek gives Perry. If they want to rebuild, the time is now, not two years from now when all of their assets have depreciated.
I can't shake the feeling one of those guys gets traded in what feels like a throw-in.
I mean, if it's for a "reset", I understand it. Essentially Perry trading in the upside currently on the team for upside he can draft himself later down the line. But parting with one of those guys for someone like RJ Barrett or Trae Young would be oof to the max.
Padrino
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Yeah, there's a certain ominousness to this off-season, and a few bright red flashing warning lights around what talent to keep and what to jettison. Much can be done to improve the team no matter the direction Perry chooses to take, but that's because the Kings actually do have some quality pieces that are worth a damn. Everything's just ill-fitting and unbalanced, and I'm unsure what Perry's going to ultimately value most as he puts his stamp on the team.
Joshyjosh31
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Wiggins gives us defense and athleticism problems gets Keegan off the number one scorer every game too. Miami saves I believe 5 million per year doing this trade
Either trade is really solid if it's Wiggins/20 or JJJ/Robinson/20. Wiggins deal helps us be more competitive now, obviously while the other is a better rebuild.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Much
And Wiggins is probably declining that option so he's also an ender. I can't see the Heat giving that up though. I would think they'd add DeRozan to Wiggins. That's just a very lateral move for them.
And Wiggins is probably declining that option so he's also an ender. I can't see the Heat giving that up though. I would think they'd add DeRozan to Wiggins. That's just a very lateral move for them.
Especially if they want to get off Robinson’s contract still and JJJ has fallen out of coach’s favor.
Joshyjosh31
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JJJ, Robinson, and 20 is a very good deal so wouldn’t complain gives us a good bench with Ellis and Jonas
twslam07
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Wiggins & #20 would be a heck of a haul for just DeRozan.
Having said that, I’m not so sure Wiggins would opt out of his last year. He’ll be 31 at that time and no longer be perceived as having upside. Not to mention the hesitation from teams to hand out bloated deals in the current CBA. $30 mil/year might be considerably more than what his next contract would be and since he’s been relatively healthy, he might be more willing to opt-in and explore a new deal the following year.
The justification on Miami’s side is getting some with DeRozan’s contract flexibility. If they waive him the following offseason (and Anderson), they’re right in the mix to add a max contract player next to Herro and Adebayo. If they strike out that offseason, they can guarantee DeRozan’s contract and kick over that cap space to the following offseason.
And what is more interesting about DeRozan’s contract is that it says his final year (2026-27 season) is fully guaranteed on 1/10/2027 which means that MIA would have the full 2026 off-season to try and make a move for a star player without the concern of his contract being fully guaranteed in early July or something.
Also, the way it is written, it makes me think they could technically waive DeRozan after the season started and only be on the hook for $10 mil. @Capt. Factorial is that right? And if a team trades for DeRozan before 1/10/2027 can they immediately waive him and only be on the hook for $10 mil?
It’s almost like he could be used as a way to execute a salary dump trade mid-season which could actually be pretty useful (if what I’m talking about is technically legal). Could definitely be misinterpreting his contract details though so I need @Capt. Factorial to keep me honest here.
Going to need IQ and 4+ FRP to even think about it, including 9.
Without looking at salaries, would they add a Poetl to help with salary balance? They have so many wings that if a deal happened, would like to add wings to the roster. It would be our best chance to add wings by trading Domas
IQ and Domas are relatively close on money, about 10 mil off. So you'd just need to add a Agbaji and the money works.
They'd trade RJ, but they actually want to trade RJ because he doesn't impact winning. IQ does and has in his career and if healthy is very much a breakout candidate as a lead guard. On both ends.
If trading Domas, he's the exact sort of guy you want back in a deal, along with a pile of FRP's. But you certainly do not trade a top 15 guy for peanuts. You make sure you get a damn good rebuild package in return.
iowamcnabb
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They have held internal discussions? Is that just poor phrasing or does he mean the Raptors have considered pursuing Sabonis and the Kings have considered moving him?
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Yeah, really haha. Maybe internal in the sense it's not leaked, yet that counts as one? lol. There's definitely smoke somewhere here. First the Kings were interested in Barrett. Then the Raptors were interested in Domas. Then not. Now today Monk. Safe to say some convos are going on.
Quickley is...just not that special. Not a great defender, doesn't have special size, pretty good shooter but that's about it. I have trouble seeing him as ever being a top-15 PG and he's on the books for $32.5M for four more years. I'm not sure that's a great piece for a tanking team. Barrett stinks, but at least his contract is a bit smaller and two years shorter. Barrett I can at least see getting sloughed off at the deadline this year or next for not-completely-nothing.
Agbaji shot well this year and is a good defender, so I'd look for him as well. Toronto actually has all of their FRPs available, so yeah, #9, three more unprotected, and some swaps...
But realistically, man I hope we don't hit the tank button.
Imo we overhink it a lot.
The pacers are a variant of the beam team, but with a good defense. They have no absolute superstar, but a great PG and a Defensive anchor + defensive wings that can shoot the three.
They are able to hide Halis defensive weakness like that, as we could hide LaVines.
Combine that with good coaching and you get to the finals.
If we would be able to trade for a good PG who can lead a creative offense (doesnt need to be a star), and a defensive anchor (doesnt even need to stretch the floor, turners shooting is bad since the conference finals), i really believe that it would be possible to go further than the first round.
If we get that many picks for Domas we can turn them into players that fit the team directly. We would have ca 5 1st rounder that we could trade without touching our own ones.
I'm pretty into IQ, I think he's shown significant upside as a creator and shooter. There's real "ty Maxey" type upside and pretty much his entire career shows teams be better offensively when he's on the floor. Advanced stats love him offensively and think he's a passable defender.
I'm certainly not "trade domas at all costs" but IF he is traded, a player like IQ and a bunch of picks coming back is what we want. Give me the potential breakout from very good player to star and upside with a pile of picks.
Tetsujin
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And on the Maxey note, with the Sixers apparently intent on picking VJ Edgecombe with the 3rd pick and the Bobby Jackson connection, I wonder if there’s not a potential way to loop them in there if not for Maxey then for Sacramento’s own Jared McCain.
Padrino
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I'm in agreement here. If you're trading Sabonis, you've got to target a handful of first rounders and young players that are on the cusp of breaking out, similar to what the Pacers did when they swapped Sabonis for Tyrese Haliburton in the first place, but with a haul of picks to account for Sabonis' evolution into an All-NBA-level impact player. Nobody's likely to part with their young, established, cost-controlled All-Star level talent in a trade for Domas, but they may part with a guy like Quickley who has yet to ascend but may do so in the right environment. Is Sacramento that environment? Who the hell knows, at this point? But if the Kings were going to rebuild, I'd want them to prioritize high-value first rounders and at least one of these kinds of guys that are poised to break out. If Perry were able to proceed with a rebuild, you start with Keegan Murray, Devin Carter, Keon Ellis, Young Player On the Rise, and future first rounders. Such a team is in the lottery out West without question, but they're also fun and interesting and primed to climb the standings with the right draft day acumen a few years running.
twslam07
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Oh I like IQ a lot. He honestly hasn’t even been on my radar since I couldn’t really think of a valid reason for TOR to give him up.
The funny thing is that his advanced impact stats are around the same (if not better) than Fox’s…
Quickley vs. Fox
EPM: +2.1 vs. +1.1
VPM: +1.3 vs. +0.7
DPM: +0.6 vs. +0.6
LEBRON: +0.9 vs. +1.0
2Y RAPM: +0.9 vs. +0.2
eRAPTOR: +0.8 vs. +0.6
MAMBA: +0.8 vs. +1.6
And Quickley is very much an underrated defender. For starters, he is the same height as Fox, but his wingspan (6’8.25”) is 1.75” longer than Fox’s wingspan.
He always has seemed to take pride in his defense as well. So far as to develop a relationship with Jrue Holiday to pick his brain on how to play & improve his defense. And if you were to look at those advanced impact stats I listed above but filter to the defensive side of the ball, he’s better than Fox in most of those (or at least the ones I like the best).
Quickley is also locked up on a reasonable deal for a guy who just turned 26 the other day. He’s under contract for the next 4 years and makes $32.5 mil each year, and it’s a flat $32.5 mil each year. It doesn’t increase. That means he’s making 21% of the cap this season, but by the end of his contract, his contract will only account for just under 16% of the cap. For an impactful, 2-way, lengthy PG that is just entering their prime (and that could still reach another level), that is a pretty good bargain.
Again, I have a hard time seeing TOR give him up, but he could be an excellent buy low candidate who still has the ability to reach another level. He addresses the PG spot with his ballhandling & playmaking skill, he spaces the floor for Sabonis, and he is a good defender with length (helping protect Sabonis).
If we did a DeRozan+ for Quickely trade and a Monk for PJ Washington trade, a Quickley, Ellis, Murray, Washington, & Sabonis lineup suddenly has a lot of length, defense, and shooting at each position around Sabonis while still having solid playmaking and some scoring. I think next season LaVine would be starting over Ellis, but we could use LaVine’s expiring salary the following year (+ assets) to see if we can trade for a better star to go along with that core.
Again, I don’t see the justification on TOR’s side but maybe I’m missing something.
I dont agree to blindly trust advanced stats, even more so with defensive advanced stats, but IQ is not a bad defender.
Not a guy you would call a true two way player, but as long as he is not a cone on defense, thats enough.
I dont think we are getting him in a derozan deal though.
Not a guy you would call a true two way player, but as long as he is not a cone on defense, thats enough.
I dont think we are getting him in a derozan deal though.
No you are not, we are only getting him in a Domas deal, along with other assets.
QWERTYLICIOUS
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Something tells me that Scott is gonna come out and shock us all with an acquisition none of us saw coming.
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