ALL-STAR FOX

Good for Fox.

With the voting system it doesn't really mean anything to me. I think the last ASG I watched Barkley hit a 3.
 
The fact that Siakam had to get in like this while averaging 25-8-6... thats insane..


I dont even care to debate on if its a good or bad voting system, I just genuinely wanna know with someone like Siakam almost getting snubbed, is the system working as it was intended to? doesn't seem like it.
 
cwebb2002 said:
You know their statement will be, "it's an exhibition game for fans, they need to have a say". If jordan were eligible he would be the top vote getter still.

I have less an issue with keeping the fan vote and more an issue of the media and coaches vote. The reality is that THEY should know better but are so hypocritical with the Kings. Every year his team doesnt win enough...so put SGA WHO doesnt win at all?
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The only way to reverse that curse is to win a Championship. Only way. The redemption arc is long, but it bends towards the Sacramento Kings being NBA Champions one day.
 
Being drafted by the Kings has long been a tough position for any prospect of note, so it's great that we've got another home-grown talent headed to the All-Star game! And it's especially great that it's happening during a season with legitimate playoff aspirations. It was unfortunate that things never worked out quite so well for DeMarcus Cousins, but I'm thrilled that De'Aaron is getting the nod while the Kings are ascendant, "injury replacement" designation be damned.
 
All that matters for future all star selection is Fox shows up to the game and makes an impression. Once you get the tag it doesn't get taken away. Then suddenly you compete for those spots in an ok year just because you're already in the club. It's stupid, but it is what it is. Maybe he can pull a Rock and win game MVP somehow. Wouldn't put it past him to show up half the field he didn't think belonged over him.
 
SLAB said:
Rightfully earned. Still don’t think there’s any shame in being behind SGA and Dame, but whatever “wrongs” there were are now righted.
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There's no "shame" in it. That's the wrong word to use. I mean, there would be no "shame" in SGA and Dame being behind Swipa either.

It's about what's fair and right. And by the most weighted criteria for this season ONLY, Fox should have been in over those guys. Period, end of story.
 
Tetsujin said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1624111725137231872
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Exhibit A why it was a great trade for both teams.

Both teams gave up a lot. Both got a lot in return.

In the KINGS case, they traded one all-star for another all-star that was a better fit next to their other all-star.

Had they been able to trade Swipa for Domas instead of Hali and actually decided to do that, the outcome might have been similar. We'll never know.

But from my POV, trading Hali over Fox ended up the right move because of Swipa's ability to create his own shot in crunch time. Hali is the better distributor, but not on the same level in terms of taking over a game offensively with speed and athleticism.

As we've seen countless times in playoff action over the years, you need a player or two than can take over at the end and get to whatever spots on the floor they need to and get whatever shots they want.

Ja does that for Memphis, Curry does that for GSW, Tatum does that for BOS, and Swipa can do it for the KINGS.

As great as Hali is, IDK that he'll ever be that type of player. Great open shooter and great facilitator. But not as good as Swipa in terms of scoring clutch points.

And because it can typically be difficult to get the ball to post players like Domas in the waning moments of a tight game, you need guards/wings that can do what De-Aaron can.
 
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Rain man said:
Great for Fox!!! Quick question, does this increase his contract in any way? I know there are super max provisions if you are named for certain awards, but not sure if this is one, or if they apply retroactive.

Same question for Domas. As an all star ( or If he is all NBA) does that change the extension?
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Not to mention that fan voting is greatly influenced by who they see on TV. Fox pretty much never being on national TV dooms him from the getgo.
 
QWERTYLICIOUS said:
Then we can always go back to the Vlade Divac-Luke Walton days if that is your wish...
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What?

Yeah the players had minimal impact and it was the coach and the front office who dropped down from the sky like Mary Poppins and fixed everything while simultaneously doing a song and dance. Thats how it happened for sure. Seems reasonable.
 
Ozymandias said:
What?

Yeah the players had minimal impact and it was the coach and the front office who dropped down from the sky like Mary Poppins and fixed everything while simultaneously doing a song and dance. Thats how it happened for sure. Seems reasonable.
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No one ever said that.

What I'm trying to say here is that I don't necessarily think that it was ONLY the drafting of Fox that was the turning point. I think it was the drafting of Fox, along with the hiring of Monte McNair and Mike Brown, that, collectively, was the turning point.
 
QWERTYLICIOUS said:
No one ever said that.
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The coaches and FO you say turned this team around and not De'Aaron.. How does that not imply impact?


The bottoming process of the Kings woes ran its course the day we landed De'Aaron... we didnt get worse and worse until the F/O and Mike Brown saved us, we were already on an upwards trajectory ever since Fox touched down.
 
QWERTYLICIOUS said:
To avoid having to repeat myself, please read my previous (and edited) post (right above yours).
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SO your argument is that a turning point is actually several turning points... Not the point in which we hit rock bottom, n never return.. Never heard someone refer to a turning point as some chain of events, I thought the whole idea is there's a single point, emphasis on the word POINT(singular) where the bottom is established, no???


Ya know how like with drug addicts, theres no helping them sometimes, they've gotta bottom out first.. The Kings bottomed out before De'Aaron got here, and since his arrival its been an upward trajectory... When we had 39 wins in 2017-2018 with 21 year old De'Aaron starting 81 games, that was a sign of things to come.

Guys like McNair and Mike Brown were added while things were already headed in the right direction that De'Aarons presence here provided, in many ways their riding his coattails, in his wake.... Those guys didnt have to destroy and rebuild everything from the previous rosters, they were gifted a fantastic franchise PG, one of the fastest players to ever dribble a ball on an NBA court.


N also I've called it the entire time. Go check the first post/ thread I started here, months before the draft, n see if i wasnt dead on about De'Aaron about how he'd change the course of this franchise n how he'll take us to the playoffs.

Vehemently disagree that McNair or Brown's impact is remotely on the level of De'Aarons here.. Thats preposterous..

The whole reason we can even afford to trade a young player as good as Tyrese Haliburton, is because you already have a PG as good as De'Aaron Fox. We've built the whole roster around De'Aaron..... To act as if he isnt the catalyst here is beyond ridiculous, Monte McNair and Coach Brown arent dominating 4th quarters, De'Aaron is.
 
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