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Fillmoe
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what do you guys think about this? i have to agree with J Oneal on this one
N.U.F.A.N.
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I believe age should'nt matter, but he mentioned something about being racist. Thats what I dont agree with him on.
uolj
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I'm not sure how you can interpret the age limit as being racist. The article I read with O'Neal's comments did explain why he thought it was.
As for the limit itself, I'd rather see no age limit but a minor league system where young players who aren't ready for the NBA can go if they don't want to go to college (much like baseball).
As for the limit itself, I'd rather see no age limit but a minor league system where young players who aren't ready for the NBA can go if they don't want to go to college (much like baseball).
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Fillmoe
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i dont think its racist, but i can understand where he is coming from.
G_M
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I would think the union would eventually favor an age limit. Younger, inexperienced players make less and take roster spots from journeymen who are paid more. I know thats only part of the argument, but from strictly a union representing "current" members position, I'm sure that has to be a consideration.
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Gargamel
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It's not racist, it's agist. 
If the Player's Union agrees to it, I don't see why fans shouldn't. There is already an age limit on the draft, which people tend to forget. Otherwise, Bron could've dropped out and been taken no later than 3rd in 2002.
I have no problems with it. I miss the days when rookies came into the league as men and were able to contribute and be trusted with starting roles. Back before the late 80s, about 95% of players went thru 4 years of college. Bird was drafted and decided to go back for a 5th year of eligibility. As good as the high schoolers have been in recent years, both college ball and the league would've been greater served if they waited at least 2 years.
If the Player's Union agrees to it, I don't see why fans shouldn't. There is already an age limit on the draft, which people tend to forget. Otherwise, Bron could've dropped out and been taken no later than 3rd in 2002.
I have no problems with it. I miss the days when rookies came into the league as men and were able to contribute and be trusted with starting roles. Back before the late 80s, about 95% of players went thru 4 years of college. Bird was drafted and decided to go back for a 5th year of eligibility. As good as the high schoolers have been in recent years, both college ball and the league would've been greater served if they waited at least 2 years.
bozzwell
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uolj said:
I think that I can guess what he meant by his statements, but it still bothers ne that he's making such a strong accusation without proper explanation. If I were to accuse someone or some organization of being xenophobic, I would make sure that I explained my grievances well. Then again, maybe he did, but it didn't make it through the wire services as it would defuse the explosiveness of his statement.
bozzwell
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Gargamel said:It's not racist, it's agist.
If the Player's Union agrees to it, I don't see why fans shouldn't. There is already an age limit on the draft, which people tend to forget. Otherwise, Bron could've dropped out and been taken no later than 3rd in 2002.
I have no problems with it. I miss the days when rookies came into the league as men and were able to contribute and be trusted with starting roles. Back before the late 80s, about 95% of players went thru 4 years of college. Bird was drafted and decided to go back for a 5th year of eligibility. As good as the high schoolers have been in recent years, both college ball and the league would've been greater served if they waited at least 2 years.
The age limit is stupid and totally unnecessary, for these reasons:
1. Proposal for making developmental league into a real minor league would make sure that noone enters NBA too early. Darko Milicic's of this World would get a chance to compete and learn instead of rotting on the bench.
2. NBA and NBA PA should not make it their problem to protect aging veterans who are being squeezed out by kids. It is anti-competitive and protectionist policy. Besides, hundreds of US players who were not good enough for NBA or are way past their prime can still make serious money in Europe.
3. What happens to NCAA basketball should not concern NBA and NBA PA. NBA is in basketball business and last I checked colleges were in the education business.
jacobdrj
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There should be under no circunmstances an age limit or salary cap.
It is the OWNERS' responsobility to determine the quality of the player, for both drafting and salary.
If they have a problem with kids who can't play/need development, than they should have a minor leauge system.
THAT, JO, is why they don't have this problem in MLB and NHL (although salary is a problem in NHL and MLB).
It is the OWNERS' responsobility to determine the quality of the player, for both drafting and salary.
If they have a problem with kids who can't play/need development, than they should have a minor leauge system.
THAT, JO, is why they don't have this problem in MLB and NHL (although salary is a problem in NHL and MLB).
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DeAtHrOw
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bozzwell said:
N.U.F.A.N.
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Heuge said:
Yeah, thats pretty true as well..
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Fillmoe
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Heuge said:
hold up! i think some of the younger players got a better head on their shoulders than some of the older/veterans............
How many times do you hear Lebron, Josh Smith, Shaun Livingston, Melo in the news for saying something stupid?
Now how many times do you hear Iverson, Artest, Kobe, Sprewell say or do something stupid?
Age has nothing to do with immaturity!
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Fillmoe
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so your saying if they would have done 4 years in college they would have somehow not choked their coach, made it to practice, not beat down fans, and i wont even say the kobe example......... is that what ur saying?
if 3+ years of the NBA atmosphere cant teach those players how to behave in a professional manner what is 2 years of college going to do? 90% of the stupid stuff they did was not in their rookie, 2nd or even 3rd year of the pros!
if 3+ years of the NBA atmosphere cant teach those players how to behave in a professional manner what is 2 years of college going to do? 90% of the stupid stuff they did was not in their rookie, 2nd or even 3rd year of the pros!
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DeAtHrOw
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One other thing I forgot to mention is the fact that this "racist card" is played way too many times.
mikebibby1034
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N.U.F.A.N. said:
yeah really racist has nothing to do with it. i believe also the age shouldnt matter what so ever. if your good enough to be in the NBA then you should be in it. As far as im concerned if your good enough to go to the NBA right out of Highschool, then you must be a hell of a player.
bozzwell
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uolj said:
I did not say that he has legit reasons
. I just said that I can guess what his thinking would be. I guess that his thinking would be that an age limit would disproportionally affect young African-Americans - and I accept that that line of thinking can be explored. And that is exactly why I said that when you make such a statement publicly, you better back it up with some sort of reasoning or explanation of why is it that you feel/think that way. Leave nothing to media speculation.
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Fillmoe
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DeAtHrOw said:
oh really?
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Fillmoe
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salary cap - yes
age limit - no
age limit - no
uolj
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But even then, it doesn't make any sense. I make a distinction between legitimate reasoning and correct reasoning. A legitimate viewpoint can be argued and backed up with evidence, even if there is other evidence that can refute it. I'm just having a hard time seeing how it would even disproportionally affect African-Americans in any way beyond the natural affects any change to NBA baskteball would have due to the league's racial makeup.bozzwell said:I did not say that he has legit reasons
bozzwell
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Gargamel said:
In theory, young players are developing their skills throughout school, high school and college. In reality, they are playing too many games, not practicing enough and after all that arriving to the NBA with undeniable talent but weak fundamentals.
Minor league would take care of that. Not to mention optioning youngster to Sticksville rather then putting them on IL would do miracles for some of these guys (both in terms of basketball and maturity).
C Diddy
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What I don't get is why aren't there stronger social implications for playing the race card innapropriately? Why are people in the media too afraid to step up and call the people idiots for injecting race into a discussion where it has no place? Tony Dungy had no business calling ABC's Desperate Housewives bit with Terrell Owens racist yet people were too afraid to say anything. People are hesitant to say anything now about Jermaine O'Neal too. It really doesn't make any sense. To me, if you throw the race card around innapropriately, you lose all credibility as an individual and fall several notches down on the respect scale.
For me, I don't really care if there is an age limit or not. I can see the reasons for and against it but for me it really should come down to the talent level of the individual.
The NCAA should do away with its policy on making players ineligible if they declare for the NBA draft and hire an agent. If players don't get drafted or ride the pine for a season out of highschool, they should be allowed to still go to school and play for college teams.
That, to me, is worth a lengthy discussion right there.
For me, I don't really care if there is an age limit or not. I can see the reasons for and against it but for me it really should come down to the talent level of the individual.
The NCAA should do away with its policy on making players ineligible if they declare for the NBA draft and hire an agent. If players don't get drafted or ride the pine for a season out of highschool, they should be allowed to still go to school and play for college teams.
That, to me, is worth a lengthy discussion right there.
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