Adelman/Petrie - Artest

[ParniValjak]

I looked through the board and didn't find this topic. If I overlooked it somewhere, feel free to merge this thread.

The Adelman, Petrie duo has a history of turning what are perceived as nutters/cancers into respectable citizens and good team-mates. Williams, Maxwell, Jackson etc... were all considered to be cancers before their arrival to Sacramento but walked away with their reputations improved.

Artest is on entirely another planet compared to those players. Personlly, I don't think its a matter of if he will do something but more a matter of when.

I have read a few comments around here where people say that we can probably change Ron because history suggests that Adelman/Petrie duo works wonders for these types of players. Thats all well and good but IMHO, Adelman will not coach the Kings next year. Even if he gets offered a contract by Maloofs, RA will walk and seek a fresh start else where. What impact do you think, this will have on Artest??????

Adelman seems to be the sort of coach who places a lot of trust into his main guys. He will live and die by their production. That trust appears to be the reason why the players with damaged reputations respond to him. I feel that with the imminent departure of RA might have a negative impact on RA.

I fully expect Ron-Ron to behave this year but what impact do you think Adelman's departure will have on Ron-Ron?????? Have we bitten off more than we can chew?????

EDIT: Or maybe this success with those types of players has nothing to do with Adelman or Petrie. Maybe our success in this area was more to do with the leadership we had in place more so than with Adelman or Petrie.

Thoughts??????

 

[SacKings384]

You can look to the "Artest Is A King!" For that thread... Or anyone thing with Artest in it for that matter... Artest may be on another planet. But it appeared that is what Rasheed was... But Rasheed turned it around DRAMATICALLY. Granted that they were winning, Rasheed was once the scum of the NBA, spitting on fans, going into the stands, cussing people out, getting techs, now look at him...

 

[Kev.in]

Vernon Maxwell tried to bash in Gary Payton's head with some weights and once went into the stands to punch a taunting fan in the mouth.

But Ron Artest is on another planet from that.

 

[foretaz]

You can look to the "Artest Is A King!" For that thread... Or anyone thing with Artest in it for that matter... Artest may be on another planet. But it appeared that is what Rasheed was... But Rasheed turned it around DRAMATICALLY. Granted that they were winning, Rasheed was once the scum of the NBA, spitting on fans, going into the stands, cussing people out, getting techs, now look at him...

lol...actually sheed hasnt changed that much...but his team has gone to the finals twice in a row, so it gets perceived diffferently, especially by those team's fans....sheed still leads the league in techs and still says and does a bunch of very questionable stuff...

if the pacers had won a title and been to the finals two years in a row, things would probably be different for ron, too....

the thing i wonder about is this....i get the feeling neither petrie or adelman wanted this deal...thats different from the other players mentioned in the kings past...

this seems like the maloofs wanted him, while petrie and adelman didnt...

im more interested to see what that dynamic is all about and how it plays out, moreso than many other things...

 

[Unclebuck]

The whole key to this is whether the Kings are winning or losing. Ron does not react very well when he doesn't win.

 

[Team Dime]

lol...actually sheed hasnt changed that much...but his team has gone to the finals twice in a row, so it gets perceived diffferently, especially by those team's fans....sheed still leads the league in techs and still says and does a bunch of very questionable stuff...

if the pacers had won a title and been to the finals two years in a row, things would probably be different for ron, too....

the thing i wonder about is this....i get the feeling neither petrie or adelman wanted this deal...thats different from the other players mentioned in the kings past...

this seems like the maloofs wanted him, while petrie and adelman didnt...

im more interested to see what that dynamic is all about and how it plays out, moreso than many other things...

If Ron Ron's defensive energy can wear off some on his teammates then that would be huge for now. Last night I saw Bibby actually trying to play some D. If that kind of effort can start to spread throughout the team, then that would be a major step in the right direction as opposed to the matador defense we've been suffering through all year.

 

[thesanityannex]

If Ron Ron's defensive energy can wear off some on his teammates then that would be huge for now. Last night I saw Bibby actually trying to play some D. If that kind of effort can start to spread throughout the team, then that would be a major step in the right direction as opposed to the matador defense we've been suffering through all year.

Bibby did look like he was playing some D. The interior was still awful though. I'd like to see some damn Sampson out there. He would at least attempt to block a shot.

 

[BMiller52]

IF Ron reacts well to Adelman I say we give him Larry Brown money, he won't turn that down.

 

[Team Dime]

Bibby did look like he was playing some D. The interior was still awful though. I'd like to see some damn Sampson out there. He would at least attempt to block a shot.

Yeah, it's killing to watch Miller make everyone look like the 2nd coming of Chamberlain. At least try to deny the ball inside! I think I could go for 20 and 20 against B-52. For these reasons, it wouldn't break my heart to see him get traded. I want to see a defensive team for a change. Defense wins championships and our current point-center isn't cutting it.

 

[thesanityannex]

I do like how Brad has been driving to the hoop though.

 

[Warhawk]

IF Ron reacts well to Adelman I say we give him Larry Brown money, he won't turn that down.

But I think that is the question - if Rick and Ron can get along because of Rick's coaching "style", what happens when Rick leaves (if he does, and I expect he will after his last summer here). Rick and Larry are nothing alike in coaching styles.....

 

[foretaz]

ron will demand the others expend energy....u talk about him rubbing off...well its the same thing....he will force them into being more aggessive...its just unavoidable....now if someone wont, then it can lead to problems...

and UB is right, as usual....if the kings win, things will go alot better...i told u in the manual, hes not a good loser...and if they lose he will want guys to be even more aggressive and even more intense...because he will feel thats why they are losing-theyre not aggressive or as intense as they need to be....

that, and it wont be long before he wants the ball alot more and he will try and will the team to a win...

its how he is...for better or for worse....and its why its so easy to fall in love with him as a player...and also why it can be tough being a teammate of his, at times....

he just doesnt want to lose....

 

[SoupIsGood]

In the end, it's all about -Ron-. I don't think he can really fit anywhere, too selfish.

 

[Team Dime]

ron will demand the others expend energy....u talk about him rubbing off...well its the same thing....he will force them into being more aggessive...its just unavoidable....now if someone wont, then it can lead to problems...

and UB is right, as usual....if the kings win, things will go alot better...i told u in the manual, hes not a good loser...and if they lose he will want guys to be even more aggressive and even more intense...because he will feel thats why they are losing-theyre not aggressive or as intense as they need to be....

that, and it wont be long before he wants the ball alot more and he will try and will the team to a win...

its how he is...for better or for worse....and its why its so easy to fall in love with him as a player...and also why it can be tough being a teammate of his, at times....

he just doesnt want to lose....

Can't be upset about that. I'd much rather see the Kings lose by putting up a fight rather than being too soft.

 

[mcsluggo]

Vernon Maxwell tried to bash in Gary Payton's head with some weights and once went into the stands to punch a taunting fan in the mouth.

But Ron Artest is on another planet from that.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Mad max was a nut job AND an A-hole. Artest is just a nut job.

However, MAd-max didn't stay in SAC very long. Had he, he likely WOULD have imploded there. But he also wasn't an intregal part of the team, so they could have just dropped him and moved on without much ado (think of the Tony Mass or Keon situations)

 

[VF21]

In the end, it's all about -Ron-. I don't think he can really fit anywhere, too selfish.

But you don't know. And that's the gamble the Maloofs took...

Right now, I'm going to enjoy the excitement and the ride. If it all comes to a screeching halt at some point down the road, I'll deal with that then.

Kings fans finally have a litle glimmer of hope. It might be delusional but please, let us have that delusion, if just for a little while.

 

[King4Life]

The Kings are gonna have a hard decision to make. Rick Adelman is an easygoing coach that players like Webber, Sprewell, Bonzi, and perhaps Artest wouldn't have problems with. With the loss of Webber, Divac, Christie, and Bobby Jackson, Adelman has change to the style of offense the team will have. We can no longer pass the way we used to and we can't live and die by the jump shot.


Rick Adelman has the rest of the season to show that he can mesh Artest, Bonzi, and Shareef with Miller and Bibby. Going by what I've seen so far, I don't think he can do it. Rick Adelman is a great coach, but his specialty will always be offense. In the end, I think a coaching change will have to made to get someone who's able to get the team to play better defense and rebound more. Eric Musselman did ok with the Warriors and I'd choose him if Adelman can't get it going this year. I just hope if there is a coaching change, Artest is still able to keep his cool.

 

[Burrito06]

Adelman also has not had a healthy team all year. There was always at least one player hurt, then there were three out (Peja, Bonzi, and Shareef) By the end of the year I think that they will be able to mesh. Just from watching Artest's first game you could tell that the team was actually putting forth an effort to play some "D". Bibby stayed in front of his man better then he has all year long, and even Shareef got up high enough to block a shot or two. The loss came down to rebounding and not making shots. When we make shots consistently we win 70% of the time. Add that to the new found defensive attitude and we have something going.

 

[foretaz]

But you don't know. And that's the gamble the Maloofs took...

Right now, I'm going to enjoy the excitement and the ride. If it all comes to a screeching halt at some point down the road, I'll deal with that then.

Kings fans finally have a litle glimmer of hope. It might be delusional but please, let us have that delusion, if just for a little while.

soup's a good guy.....hes just like a lot of pacer fans right now....title hopes are gone and ron makes a great target for directing that bitter disappointment...

i agree though, even if u feel that way, this isnt the place to voice that...

kings fans are excited....justifiably so, and should be allowed to be...

 

[KevinMartin'sShotDoctor]

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Mad max was a nut job AND an A-hole. Artest is just a nut job.

However, MAd-max didn't stay in SAC very long. Had he, he likely WOULD have imploded there. But he also wasn't an intregal part of the team, so they could have just dropped him and moved on without much ado (think of the Tony Mass or Keon situations)

If I remember correctly, Maxwell went into the stands because someone was heckling him about his child, who was born with a birth defect. I would have help him beat that guy up.

As for going after Gary Payton, who here wouldn't want to go after him with a blunt heavy object?

Not defending Maxwell, just considering those two examples.

 

[believe_in_blue]

In the end, it's all about -Ron-. I don't think he can really fit anywhere, too selfish.

I agree. It doesn't matter how much trust the coach gives him or how much the fans support him. He is all about Ron and thats it. I was one of his biggest supporters and I hope he does well in Sacto, but I just think that he will screw up at some point.

 

[VF21]

You Pacer fans may be right BUT wouldn't it be nice to let us at least enjoy our moment of excitement?

Any of us who have visited PacersDigest are pretty well aware of how things ended up between Artest and most Pacer fans. We may well end up the same, but why pee on our Wheaties so quickly?

 

[believe_in_blue]

You Pacer fans may be right BUT wouldn't it be nice to let us at least enjoy our moment of excitement?

Any of us who have visited PacersDigest are pretty well aware of how things ended up between Artest and most Pacer fans. We may well end up the same, but why pee on our Wheaties so quickly?

Sorry I sounded so negative. I was one of his biggest supporters and I still love to watch him play. I was just wish he wasn't so selfish and stupid because if he wasn't the Pacers would probably be the defending World Champions. Maybe he will change, and if he does the Kings will be a strong force in the very near future.

 

[VF21]

Thanks...

It's just that things have been pretty bleak for Kings fans lately. It hasn't been fun this year. Now, even though we may not be quite sure of the eventual outcome, at least something has been done. We really want to believe things will all work out. We're really aware of all the potential for danger; you could go back in our recent threads and see some pretty heated debates, temper tantrums, etc.

I guess maybe we're a strange lot who support our Kings. Once a guy puts on the uniform, we're willing to give him a clean slate. You could be right; it may be just a trip down that river in Egypt. But imagine...what if it works out?

Hope springs eternal in the breast of Kings fans.

 

[believe_in_blue]

Thanks...

It's just that things have been pretty bleak for Kings fans lately. It hasn't been fun this year. Now, even though we may not be quite sure of the eventual outcome, at least something has been done. We really want to believe things will all work out. We're really aware of all the potential for danger; you could go back in our recent threads and see some pretty heated debates, temper tantrums, etc.

I guess maybe we're a strange lot who support our Kings. Once a guy puts on the uniform, we're willing to give him a clean slate. You could be right; it may be just a trip down that river in Egypt. But imagine...what if it works out?

Hope springs eternal in the breast of Kings fans.

Things havn't been great for Pacers fans either.
The source of our sorrow is the source of your hope. Kinda ironic, lol.
I really hope Ron does well, that why I joined your board is to follow him. We he comes back to Indy in March I won’t give him any kind of ovation because I hate what he did to us but I’m still a Ron Artest fan in a way. He is one of the funnest players in the NBA to watch. If anything you all will really enjoy watching him play. Assuming that he does play the rest of the season.

 

[VF21]

And doubly ironic, the source of part of our sorrow and disappointment is now the source of renewed hope and optimism for you.

I really hope it works out for both of us AND for Ron and Peja.

 

[foretaz]

VF, and kings fans....u need to understand something regarding alot of pacer fans....

theyre hoping ron does fail...that the kings fail...they may say otherwise...but i would very much question the sincerity....

because if he doesnt....if he and the kings prosper....

then what are they faced with???? what would be the real problem then???

there will be questions nobody is gonna like the answers to...at least not in indy...

if the kings and ron succeed then that means mistakes were made and many were wrong....and the price for making a mistake with a top 15 talent is rather high....

 

[Hoopsforlife]

VF, and kings fans....u need to understand something regarding alot of pacer fans....

theyre hoping ron does fail...that the kings fail...they may say otherwise...but i would very much question the sincerity....

because if he doesnt....if he and the kings prosper....

then what are they faced with???? what would be the real problem then???

there will be questions nobody is gonna like the answers to...at least not in indy...

if the kings and ron succeed then that means mistakes were made and many were wrong....and the price for making a mistake with a top 15 talent is rather high....

Fortaz: I am one Pacer fan who sincerely hopes the Kings succeed with Ron on their team. I have followed the Kings ever since they almost beat the Lakers in the conference finals when Vladi was playing. I can still see the look in Vladi's eyes after they lost in that final game of that series. I became a fan of his during that series. I was disappointed when he went to the Lakers later but was still a fan of his.

I am a fan of Ron Artest as well and since he is a King now, so much the better. I really want Ron to do well this time. I believe he will because his maturation process is proceeding (slowly for sure but proceeding.) He is now and will be a great player for many years in the future.

Ron will help the Kings tremendously and will ultimately make the Pacers regret trading him.




PS: in the finals of the future I will still root for the Pacers.

 

[FrenchConnection]

Fortaz: I am one Pacer fan who sincerely hopes the Kings succeed with Ron on their team. I have followed the Kings ever since they almost beat the Lakers in the conference finals when Vladi was playing. I can still see the look in Vladi's eyes after they lost in that final game of that series. I became a fan of his during that series. I was disappointed when he went to the Lakers later but was still a fan of his.

I am a fan of Ron Artest as well and since he is a King now, so much the better. I really want Ron to do well this time. I believe he will because his maturation process is proceeding (slowly for sure but proceeding.) He is now and will be a great player for many years in the future.

Ron will help the Kings tremendously and will ultimately make the Pacers regret trading him.




PS: in the finals of the future I will still root for the Pacers.

I am a Pacer fan who was not a Ron supporter through all of this that wants to see him do well in Sacramento. I just love to watch him play and this is his last chance. So if I want to continue to watch that tough defense and ugly but effective offensive game, he has to turn it around now. Also I think that even if Ron leads the Kings to a title the Pacers will not regret trading him. It was time to move on.

 

[SoupIsGood]

Why would I care how he does in Sacto? I have no reason to root for him, but no reason to hope he doesn't do well either.