acquire the 13th pick?

[Big Cuz 15]

dallas looks like it's not keeping it

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/e...cks-will-absolutely-not-keep-their-draft-pick

 

[NoBonus]

Only if there is someone worth grabbing at 13 and the price was right.

 

[hrdboild]

The #7 and #13 picks could be an attractive package to move up a couple spots in the draft. It's worth exploring for that reason alone I think.

 

[lwc]

The #7 and #13 picks could be an attractive package to move up a couple spots in the draft. It's worth exploring for that reason alone I think.

Risky, but if the pieces fell into place right, it could be worth it.

 

[Gilles]

This one sure is not the draft to trade multiple assets to move a couple of places higher. Talent is all over the place and this year there's probably 50% chance that either #7 or #13 will have a better career than #4.
It's absolutely stupid for Dallas to do anything before July, 1st: nobody have cap space to lend them, and value of #13 is very mediocre to get an important player. I would say Dallas is making a pick and there will be no trade announced on draft day, but it's possible there will be a contingency to move player drafted at #13 and Marion somewhere if Paul and Howard are coming to town.

 

[Kingster]

Is it possible for Vivek to just offer cash for a #1 pick? And that way it wouldn't be charged to Dallas's cap space?

 

[hrdboild]

This one sure is not the draft to trade multiple assets to move a couple of places higher. Talent is all over the place and this year there's probably 50% chance that either #7 or #13 will have a better career than #4.
It's absolutely stupid for Dallas to do anything before July, 1st: nobody have cap space to lend them, and value of #13 is very mediocre to get an important player. I would say Dallas is making a pick and there will be no trade announced on draft day, but it's possible there will be a contingency to move player drafted at #13 and Marion somewhere if Paul and Howard are coming to town.

I'm going to disagree with you on that one. The point of the draft is to acquire players who can help make your team better. If you feel like a player available at 4 or 5 but not at 7 is going to significantly help your team, than it is worth it to trade up. If you can expend an asset to turn Spencer Hawes into Joakim Noah, for instance, that's still a net benefit. Now if you're picking names out of a hat, granted two shots at picking a winner is better than one, but that's not what's happening here (hopefully).

 

[bajaden]

Is it possible for Vivek to just offer cash for a #1 pick? And that way it wouldn't be charged to Dallas's cap space?

The word I'm getting is that the Mav's will trade the pick if your willing to take on Marion's salary, or your willing to give up a 2014 first round, preferly a lottey, pick. Cuban said that the team will wait until its their turn to pick, and if his staff thinks there's someone there that has star potential, they'll take him, but that he didn't think that was likely. So they'll probably choose for another team and then announce the trade after the pick.

Now just because thats what the Mav's want, that doesn't mean thats what they'll get. I seriously doubt any team would trade a potential lotter pick in the 2014 draft for the 13th pick in this draft. The 2014 draft is the deepest and most talented draft in the last 10 or 15 years. At the same time, how many teams are willing to eat up their cap space by taking on Marion's salary for the 13th pick in the draft?

 

[sidney]

The word I'm getting is that the Mav's will trade the pick if your willing to take on Marion's salary, or your willing to give up a 2014 first round, preferly a lottey, pick. Cuban said that the team will wait until its their turn to pick, and if his staff thinks there's someone there that has star potential, they'll take him, but that he didn't think that was likely. So they'll probably choose for another team and then announce the trade after the pick.

Now just because thats what the Mav's want, that doesn't mean thats what they'll get. I seriously doubt any team would trade a potential lotter pick in the 2014 draft for the 13th pick in this draft. The 2014 draft is the deepest and most talented draft in the last 10 or 15 years. At the same time, how many teams are willing to eat up their cap space by taking on Marion's salary for the 13th pick in the draft?

Just playing around with numbers:

Kings
in: Pick #13
Marion: 8.6M

out
JT 5.2
Kings absorb 3.4M with current cap space (we have about 4.5M)

Celtics:
in:
JT 5.2
Carter: 3.1 (expiring)

out:
Pierce 16.7

Dallas:
in:
Pierce 16.7 (then buyout for 5M)

out:
Marion 8.6
Carter 3.1


Why for Kings: get the #13 pick and our 12/8 vet SF.
Why for Celts: only if they like JT as a piece for future better than just buying out Pierce themselves
Why for Dallas: After buyout, they clear about 7M in cap plus the cap hold for the #13 pick. Go after Paul/Howard as FA.

 

[andjel]

Just playing around with numbers:

Kings
in: Pick #13
Marion: 8.6M

out
JT 5.2
Kings absorb 3.4M with current cap space (we have about 4.5M)

Celtics:
in:
JT 5.2
Carter: 3.1 (expiring)

out:
Pierce 16.7

Dallas:
in:
Pierce 16.7 (then buyout for 5M)

out:
Marion 8.6
Carter 3.1


Why for Kings: get the #13 pick and our 12/8 vet SF.
Why for Celts: only if they like JT as a piece for future better than just buying out Pierce themselves
Why for Dallas: After buyout, they clear about 7M in cap plus the cap hold for the #13 pick. Go after Paul/Howard as FA.

How about just amnesty Salmons and get veteran SF and 13th pick?

Actually that sounds like just what the Kings need. Veteran SF on a last year of contract.

Vivek take one for a team

 

[Kingsfan23]

Just playing around with numbers:

Kings
in: Pick #13
Marion: 8.6M

out
JT 5.2
Kings absorb 3.4M with current cap space (we have about 4.5M)

Celtics:
in:
JT 5.2
Carter: 3.1 (expiring)

out:
Pierce 16.7

Dallas:
in:
Pierce 16.7 (then buyout for 5M)

out:
Marion 8.6
Carter 3.1


Why for Kings: get the #13 pick and our 12/8 vet SF.
Why for Celts: only if they like JT as a piece for future better than just buying out Pierce themselves
Why for Dallas: After buyout, they clear about 7M in cap plus the cap hold for the #13 pick. Go after Paul/Howard as FA.

Thats actually pretty close. JT is a young, quality big who has his best years ahead of him

 

[LWP777]

Thats actually pretty close. JT is a young, quality big who has his best years ahead of him

I don't consider JT young anymore. I think he has shown us what he's going to give you and I'd just expect more of the same the next few years.

 

[andjel]

Ok, looked around, beside Viveks money, what else is in the way of Kings getting 13th pick and Marion, while amnestying Salmons?
I am actually getting excited about this. Even without 13th pick, having Shawn for a year would be very good for Kings.

 

[Gilles]

Kings group renounced their right for RS, they proclaimed PO is not a primary goal. I would say Vivek is preparing you to accept the fact that Kings won't be amnestying Salmons.

 

[Amory]

I'm going to disagree with you on that one. The point of the draft is to acquire players who can help make your team better. If you feel like a player available at 4 or 5 but not at 7 is going to significantly help your team, than it is worth it to trade up. If you can expend an asset to turn Spencer Hawes into Joakim Noah, for instance, that's still a net benefit. Now if you're picking names out of a hat, granted two shots at picking a winner is better than one, but that's not what's happening here (hopefully).

Still wish we got noah. I was so mad when he was picked 1 ahead of us...

 

[Nikolizzle]

Could offer up Thornton... Mayo's a free agent, and Thornton is a definite upgrade for the Mavs.

 

[sdballer]

Could offer up Thornton... Mayo's a free agent, and Thornton is a definite upgrade for the Mavs.

Their point is to shed salary and that would barely trim their payroll

 

[sidney]

Kings group renounced their right for RS, they proclaimed PO is not a primary goal. I would say Vivek is preparing you to accept the fact that Kings won't be amnestying Salmons.

What does "PO" and "RS" stand for?

 

[Mojo]

What does "PO" and "RS" stand for?

playoffs and revenue sharing.

 

[roasthawg]

I'd take Reggie Bullock at #13... might be a bit of a reach but he could be a great fit at sf for us.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Assuming we could fit it under the cap, which would likely require a third team in the deal - I'd deal with Marion for a year to get the 13th pick. Marion would help this team. Combo SF/PF good defender, good rebounder, veteran who's won in the past ... We'd need to do some tricky cap work, but that is PDA's specialty.

 

[One and Done]

This would be a great deal if we could find a way to swing it. I'd love to have Marion for a year, even if he was a little grumpy about going to a non-contender. And while it's a pretty weak draft, this does give us tradeable assets for down the road plus a way to cheaply solve our lineup holes in the short term (pick from passing/true floor general, defense, defensive rebounding, 3 point shooting, shotblocking...ouch).

Further down the rabbit hole, with these assets you could experiment with an unorthodox lineup of McCollum (#7) and MCW (#13), where MCW would be the primary PG (due to his passing ability) and McCollum would play SG off the ball while occasionally bring the ball up the court. The two could theoretically switch on defense allowing appropriate size matchups on the other end of the floor. The hope is that both can defend, MCW finds a semblance of a shot, and McCollum can play off the ball more than he did in college while being able to score against larger, more athletic 2-guards. Would definitely be interesting...

Regardless, I'm all for this trade if we can figure out how to deliver Dallas the cap room it needs.

 

[VF21]

This would be a great deal if we could find a way to swing it. I'd love to have Marion for a year, even if he was a little grumpy about going to a non-contender. And while it's a pretty weak draft, this does give us tradeable assets for down the road plus a way to cheaply solve our lineup holes in the short term (pick from passing/true floor general, defense, defensive rebounding, 3 point shooting, shotblocking...ouch).

Further down the rabbit hole, with these assets you could experiment with an unorthodox lineup of McCollum (#7) and MCW (#13), where MCW would be the primary PG (due to his passing ability) and McCollum would play SG off the ball while occasionally bring the ball up the court. The two could theoretically switch on defense allowing appropriate size matchups on the other end of the floor. The hope is that both can defend, MCW finds a semblance of a shot, and McCollum can play off the ball more than he did in college while being able to score against larger, more athletic 2-guards. Would definitely be interesting...

Regardless, I'm all for this trade if we can figure out how to deliver Dallas the cap room it needs.

See, that part bothers me. I don't want us to bring in anyone that might poison this brand new well we've dug.

 

[joemama]

Fletcher Mackel: REPORT don't be surprised if Pelicans acquire 13th pk from Mavs, select Giannis Adetokunbo. NOLA also gets Shawn Marion, send Mavs future pk Twitter
Read more at http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#DzXiFlWYp6Se2muV.99

 

[Gilles]

If Marion reports there Aminu leaves for sure, and would pick him for $2.5mil over 3-4 years even with a non-existent shot. He's a James Johnson who actually knows that he's a role player and has to work and move a lot off the ball on offense.