A Very Realistic Answer

[twslam07]

This should be the first move the Kings make before the trade deadline:

Fredette
Hickson
Garcia

For

A. Miller
C. Brewer

This trade will help us clear cap space for the next offseason and when it comes time to resign Cousins, Evans, and Thompson. Also we get Brewer who is a young, developing small forward who brings defense, athleticism, and energy.

In this trade, we will be dumping a little over 10 million and receiving a little less than 11 million. Since Miller’s contract is expiring it will give us a little less than 8 million in cap relief next offseason.


This should be the second move the Kings make before the trade deadline:

Hayes
Greene

For

Thabeet/Diop/Magette

This trade is strictly done to get Chuck’s contract off of our books. I never was a fan of his signing and it is apparent that he can be overmatched on the block at times. This will allow us to have more money to use to resign our main pieces when the time comes.

We would be giving up a little less than 7 million and receiving a little over 5 million for Thabeet, 7 million for Diop, and 10 million for Magette. All three of these player contracts are for two years. That means their contracts will be off the books when Tyreke needs to be resigned.


When the draft comes around, the Kings should select one of the following:

Davis
Drummond
Robinson
Henson

With Hickson and Hayes being traded away, it is only logical to draft a big man. We need a defensive, rebounding, and athletic big man next to Cousins, and I feel that all of these players fit that bill.

Considering we will be drafting around the 3 – 8 range, we will probably shovel out a salary around 3 million for the first year.


When free agency rolls around, the Kings should sign both of these players:

Batum
Hinrich

Batum has been a popular choice around these forums and for good reason. He is big, athletic, unselfish, a good shooter, and a good defender. In my eyes, he would be an ideal fit for this team.

Hinrich would be a great pickup for us too. He is a good defender, passer, and three point shooter.

I think we might be able to pick up Batum with a deal that is similar to Thornton’s deal (4 years for 32 million), and we might be able to sign Hinrich for 3 years for 12 million.


In conclusion, by making these trades we will have enough space to sign Batum, Hinrich, and our rookie as well as resign Thompson for 4 years for 24 years and Evans and Cousins to 10 – 12 million a year and still be under the cap in the years 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, and 2016 if we amnesty Salmons.

For those of you that do not think the Miller and Brewer deal will work, we can explore Diaw and Biyombo, Kidd and Mahinmi, Humphries and Stevenson, C. Landry and Vasquez, Camby and K. Thomas, Barbosa and Bayless, and Nash. All those combinations work financially and allow us cap relief. I just chose Miller and Brewer because I liked Brewer the most.

For those of you that do not think the Thabeet or Diop or Maggette deal will work, we can try to make this deal for J. O’Neal, Diaw, Jamison, Kwame, Okur, Kaman, Landry, or Camby. All these players work financially and would be off the books in time to resign Evans.

If we can’t get Batum, then we should look to sign Kirilenko or Chandler.

If we can’t get Hinrich, then we should look to sign A. Miller

This is how I hope are lineup and rotation will look like:

PG – Thomas/Hinrich
SG – Evans/Thornton
SF – Batum/Brewer/Honeycutt/Outlaw
PF – Thompson/Rookie Big
C – Cousins/Whiteside

This is the best way to approach this team. It has the highest reward for the least amount of risk.

 

[twslam07]

Is there a reason why nobody ever replies to any of my posts? Am I doing something wrong? Am I not posting personnel moves the right way?

Please let me know what I'm doing wrong so I can fix it. I joined this forum hoping to share and discuss my ideas as I am sure most of you did as well.

 

[Section 101]

Is there a reason why nobody ever replies to any of my posts? Am I doing something wrong? Am I not posting personnel moves the right way?

Please let me know what I'm doing wrong so I can fix it. I joined this forum hoping to share and discuss my ideas as I am sure most of you did as well.

In general, the posts that start with realistic or must do, etc are usually the ones that are way off base and don't take into consideration the other teams view or under values our teams players. This isn't a video game.

the first one isn't bad. The second one is beyond horrible for the Kings. Thabeet/Diop/Magette offer absolutly nothing the Kings need and take away 2 of the better defenders that we do need.

Saying who the Kings should draft before the lottery happens is a futile discussion. There is no point in it.

Batum is a restricted free agent. They rarely get offered contracts these days unless the other team is not going to match for whatever reason. The money you suggest would have the Blazers matching.

 

[VF21]

Generally, to promote discussion with trade ideas you need to explain why the other team would make the trade as well as the Kings. In your cases, you're talking financials but you didn't explain why those trades would be beneficial.

I don't generally participate in trade threads but I'm sure there are some folks around here who will.

 

[twslam07]

In general, the posts that start with realistic or must do, etc are usually the ones that are way off base and don't take into consideration the other teams view or under values our teams players. This isn't a video game.

the first one isn't bad. The second one is beyond horrible for the Kings. Thabeet/Diop/Magette offer absolutly nothing the Kings need and take away 2 of the better defenders that we do need.

Saying who the Kings should draft before the lottery happens is a futile discussion. There is no point in it.

Batum is a restricted free agent. They rarely get offered contracts these days unless the other team is not going to match for whatever reason. The money you suggest would have the Blazers matching.

The second trade isn't meant for us to receive a player who can help us on the court. It is meant to help us sign a player later on who can help us on the court. It will allow us more cap room to resign Evans and Cousins.

I don't think talking about the draft is a futile discussion at all. I gave a list of players who would fit next to Cousins and judging by how they have been playing it is only logical to assume they will have another early lottery pick.

There has been talk of the Blazers releasing Batum because of the contract they gave Wallace. Also next year they will be only a few million under the cap while still needing to fill the holes that Camby and Felton left them. It wouldn't make sense for them to lock up these two small forward to big contracts while their other holes go unfilled. Also like I said before, If we don't get Batum we can go after Kirilenko or Chandler.

 

[Tetsujin]

I stopped reading at Thabeet. Why in God's name would we take him when we already have Hassan filling the role of lovable mentally deficient shotblocking benchwarmer at a much cheaper price?

It seems like for the most part, you're failing to look at the trades from the human perspective. Sure these trades work out in 2k12 or a trade machine but real life is a wholly different beast.

 

[twslam07]

I stopped reading at Thabeet. Why in God's name would we take him when we already have Hassan filling the role of lovable mentally deficient shotblocking benchwarmer at a much cheaper price?

It seems like for the most part, you're failing to look at the trades from the human perspective. Sure these trades work out in 2k12 or a trade machine but real life is a wholly different beast.

Obviously we are not trading for Thabeet so he can play for us. It is to help us resign Evans and Cousins when the time comes. And he has a horrible contract that happens to expire when Evans needs to be resigned.

Also I don't know about you, but I'm not too attached too Hayes or Greene. There has been no evidence that either one of them has been a good fit for this team so why not get their salaries off the books?

 

[Tetsujin]

Obviously we are not trading for Thabeet so he can play for us. It is to help us resign Evans and Cousins when the time comes. And he has a horrible contract that happens to expire when Evans needs to be resigned.

Also I don't know about you, but I'm not too attached too Hayes or Greene. There has been no evidence that either one of them has been a good fit for this team so why not get their salaries off the books?

In case you've somehow missed it, the Kings have the lowest payroll in the league. Why the hell would we need to drop even more salary (especially at the cost of two of our more usable bench players) for something coming a few years down the line? You could pretty much achieve the same capspace (and more) by just amnestying Salmons and Garcia.

 

[Mass]

Dumping salary is pretty much useless for this team. We are not going to sign good FAs. Period. We should be able to acquire talent via trade, absorbing contracts, even getting players who are a little bit overpaid (obviously, not like Salmons...). We should be partner of teams willing to dump salaries. We have cap room, and it's the only way we have to get good players.

 

[jalfa]

trade one: Denver doesn't do this. both Miller and Brewer have been important for them and you're offering a disappointing rookie, an even more disappointing PF and a bench warmer that still has 2 years of his too big contract left.
trade two: even if you were no fan of the Chuck signing, the Kings' fo clearly was and there's no way they're declaring it a mistake already, especially with Chuck's injury.
pick: too far away to say where the Kings land.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Dumping salary is pretty much useless for this team. We are not going to sign good FAs. Period. We should be able to acquire talent via trade, absorbing contracts, even getting players who are a little bit overpaid (obviously, not like Salmons...). We should be partner of teams willing to dump salaries. We have cap room, and it's the only way we have to get good players.

yep, i'm all for acquiring assets for future trades. we could be absorbing small contracts or expirings, short term contracts for picks or draft rights and swing them back later for future trades. iirc seattle absorbed kurt thomas's contract and two for 1st rd draft picks which one pick turned out to be serge iblocka and the other i don't remember.

 

[twslam07]

In case you've somehow missed it, the Kings have the lowest payroll in the league. Why the hell would we need to drop even more salary (especially at the cost of two of our more usable bench players) for something coming a few years down the line? You could pretty much achieve the same capspace (and more) by just amnestying Salmons and Garcia.

First of all you can't amnesty Salmons and Garcia.

Second of all you need to be aware of your teams salary down the line and you need to make moves a couple years before you need to resign someone. If you want to procrastinate and wait to free up space, you would be taking a risk. I would prefer not to take that chance, wouldn't you?

 

[twslam07]

Dumping salary is pretty much useless for this team. We are not going to sign good FAs. Period. We should be able to acquire talent via trade, absorbing contracts, even getting players who are a little bit overpaid (obviously, not like Salmons...). We should be partner of teams willing to dump salaries. We have cap room, and it's the only way we have to get good players.

I disagree. I think we can sign good FAs. I don't think we can sign great free agents. We are one of the teams that has the most cap space in the league and we have a lot of young and talented player on this team. This can be a very attractice location for a player who is on the rise like Batum.

 

[LPKingsFan]

I disagree. I think we can sign good FAs. I don't think we can sign great free agents. We are one of the teams that has the most cap space in the league and we have a lot of young and talented player on this team. This can be a very attractice location for a player who is on the rise like Batum.

I agree. While the Kings will likely never be landing the likes of Howard or Deron Williams, the very good role players like Batum should certainly be in range. These guys are too good/young to take a pay cut to join the contenders who are capped out, so getting a nice payday is the best they can hope for. The biggest problem with Batum, though, is that he's restricted.

 

[twslam07]

trade one: Denver doesn't do this. both Miller and Brewer have been important for them and you're offering a disappointing rookie, an even more disappointing PF and a bench warmer that still has 2 years of his too big contract left.
trade two: even if you were no fan of the Chuck signing, the Kings' fo clearly was and there's no way they're declaring it a mistake already, especially with Chuck's injury.
pick: too far away to say where the Kings land.

For those of you that do not think the Miller and Brewer deal will work, we can explore Diaw and Biyombo, Kidd and Mahinmi, Humphries and Stevenson, C. Landry and Vasquez, Camby and K. Thomas, Barbosa and Bayless, and Nash. All those combinations work financially and allow us cap relief. I just chose Miller and Brewer because I liked Brewer the most.[/B]

They made that signing thinking Hayes would be the starter next to Cousins. Now that Thompson has stepped up and proved he deserves to be that starter next to Cousins, they might have a different opinion about Hayes.

I don't think it's far away. We can have an idea about where they land by their current record and with how they have been performing as of late.

 

[Glenn]

Is the final lineup that you post the lineup we go into next season with? You include Whiteside and that makes me shudder. If this is next year's team, what happened to the $17 mil of contracts attached to Thabeet/Diop/Magette?

And some random thoughts: not sure if other teams will agree to the trades and I'd like to see some reasoning that says these teams would do it. As suggested above, I'm not sure what year you are talking about. As you include 4 bigs from next year's draft, I can only assume it is next years which brings back the question of Thabeet/Diop/Magette.

You offer so many options, it is difficult to deal with.

I hope this team has stability and this constant shuffling of pieces to free up cap space does not achieve that. And as we had to scramble to make the minimum salary, I'm not sure cap space is our biggest problem. We have the most in the league right now.

I doubt if the ownership will amnesty anyone as that is money flushed down the drain and I can't see the Maloofs flushing much of anything down the drain.

Waaaaaay too many assumptions.

 

[bluntsnbball]

haha ya i kinda stopped reading at thabeet too...

 

[Tetsujin]

First of all you can't amnesty Salmons and Garcia.

Second of all you need to be aware of your teams salary down the line and you need to make moves a couple years before you need to resign someone. If you want to procrastinate and wait to free up space, you would be taking a risk. I would prefer not to take that chance, wouldn't you?

It's not worth jettisoning some of the talent that we do have in order to shave a few million dollars off of the payroll two or three years down the line.

 

[Tetsujin]

I disagree. I think we can sign good FAs. I don't think we can sign great free agents. We are one of the teams that has the most cap space in the league and we have a lot of young and talented player on this team. This can be a very attractice location for a player who is on the rise like Batum.

Hasn't worked for the past couple of years. We threw money at AK47, Crawford, and Dalembert only to have all of them either sign for less money elsewhere.

 

[Section 101]

The second trade isn't meant for us to receive a player who can help us on the court. It is meant to help us sign a player later on who can help us on the court. It will allow us more cap room to resign Evans and Cousins.

I don't think talking about the draft is a futile discussion at all. I gave a list of players who would fit next to Cousins and judging by how they have been playing it is only logical to assume they will have another early lottery pick.

There has been talk of the Blazers releasing Batum because of the contract they gave Wallace. Also next year they will be only a few million under the cap while still needing to fill the holes that Camby and Felton left them. It wouldn't make sense for them to lock up these two small forward to big contracts while their other holes go unfilled. Also like I said before, If we don't get Batum we can go after Kirilenko or Chandler.

We don't need cap room to sign Evans and Cuz as they are our players now. We can go over the cap to keep them. No reason to trade for 3 scrubs.

Hayes contract is not that bad. In fact, it's pretty cheap when you think about it.

The Blazers are not going to release Batum. They may trade him, but they will want a lot for him. And I doubt they trade him unless they extend Wallace first.

 

[Glenn]

Hasn't worked for the past couple of years. We threw money at AK47, Crawford, and Dalembert only to have all of them either sign for less money elsewhere.

The only way we can sign FAs is by paying them more than they are worth. If by doing that, we develop a better reputation as a place for players to land, the overpaying will soon not become a necessity. That makes sense to me. Certainly there are cities the size of Sacramento that seem to have no trouble pulling in FAs. If we stand pat with the Maloofs approach, however, we don't have a chance and might as well settle for being a mediocre team as that's the best we can do.

It will be interesting to see how the FA situation shakes out as fewer teams have the cap space to sign them. We blew last summer when we had the cap space and hopefullly will not blow this summer also. Soon we will be signing Cuz and Tyreke and even IT so the cap space will dwindle quickly in the future. The trouble with stumbling across an IT or a Thornton is that their salaries leapfrog the 1st round pick's salaries. I think next summer is our last chance to get a significant FA.

The benefit is that IT and Thornton are good but they turn off the chance of getting a significant vet and we simply will have to patiently wait for our youngsters to become veterans.

 

[Mass]

That's what I was saying. It's not about the team, the city or the small market. It's about the organization, the reputation of the team and the system. Right now, we don't have any of these. So, we are not going to attract good FAs. If we start to improve, if the Kings show they are back on the right path, if everything goes well (a lot of ifs), FAs will start to want to come over here. But right now, we need to be honest with ourselves. The only way to get good players is by trade, being partner of teams willing to dump salary. But, most important thing, our owners have to be willing to spend money. If they don't want to, we can keep talking as long as we want, but we will never be successful.