A trade I think would make our team instantly better...(Calderon)

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Merdiesel

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Sacramento Kings Trade Breakdown

Incoming Players

Jose Calderon
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Outgoing Players

Jason Thompson
Hassan Whiteside
Isaiah Thomas


Calderon is one of the best ball distributors in the game and apparently hes availible. The trade works financially.


PG Jose Calderon -Jimmer
SG Marcus Thorton -Salmons/Garcia
SF Tyreke Evans -Donte
PF JJ Hickson -
C DeMarcus Cousins -Hayes

I'd hate to give up on the young guys IT and Whiteside so early, but this season is too important to be playing this terrible right now. Plus, I think Calderon would be a good fit for a couple years here. What do you guys think?
 
Well it would be a nice way to guarantee we remain this awful defensively forever, gotta give credit there. Calderon/Jimmer as defensive PGs. Whew! Reke playing 2 positions out of position and having to guard guys 3 inches taller every night. Meanwhiel we give away the rest of our size up front. All you'd need to do is make the new alternate uniforms something pink and frilly with a little skort on the bottom and we'd be set.
 
I'm not terribly against it as far as talent goes, but for what we're giving away no.

This case it's math that tells you no. He's owed 9.7m this year and 10.5 next.
At that rate, you had better be dishing off both Cisco + Salmons and maybe TrOUT.
 
We suck on the defensive end because this team doesn't hustle or play as a unit. It's not just one position. Remember, we were one of if not the best defensive teams with Bibby running the point. He was no Joe Dumars.

If we can run Garcia and Salmons at the 3, why not Tyreke? 3 inches are pretty much irrelevant when you have a 7 foot wing span. Plus hes built like a tank.

Thompson is playing solid this season but has been a big disapointment. Whiteside will never be good in a Kings uniform. Thomas I wouldn't mind swaping for Garcia or Salmons in this trade, I like his hustle.

Even if we had lock down defense at every position, we're not winning many games scoring 60 points a game.
 
Merdiesel said:
3 inches are pretty much irrelevant when you have a 7 foot wing span.
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Uh..no.

And we shouldn't be running Salmons or Garcia there either, as we've foudn out the hard way.

We had Bibby running the point, but who was around him? Doug Christie was the SG. Bobby Jackson backed him up. He was the only weakpoint defensively inthe backcourt. Calderon/Jimmer/Thornotn is jsut awful. Adn then our best guard defender is now giving way size at SF to boot.
 
Merdiesel said:
We suck on the defensive end because this team doesn't hustle or play as a unit. It's not just one position. Remember, we were one of if not the best defensive teams with Bibby running the point. He was no Joe Dumars.

If we can run Garcia and Salmons at the 3, why not Tyreke? 3 inches are pretty much irrelevant when you have a 7 foot wing span. Plus hes built like a tank.

Thompson is playing solid this season but has been a big disapointment. Whiteside will never be good in a Kings uniform. Thomas I wouldn't mind swaping for Garcia or Salmons in this trade, I like his hustle.

Even if we had lock down defense at every position, we're not winning many games scoring 60 points a game.
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We also were full sized at every position going 6'11", 6'10" and 7'0" across the front line, had an all-NBA defender in the backcourt, another scrappy defender with Bobby Jackson behind Bibby, and had an excellent shot blocker with Keon Clark. You can afford 1 bad defender when the rest of your team is average to above average.

We suck on defense because other teams get fast breaks on us constantly, we are undersized, and we don't have anyone whose main job it is to play defense. No amount of effort is going to make our team into an excellent defensive team. We need better players.
 
This is a no-brainer. I have to seriously wonder what people who say no to this are thinking. Whiteside is a project that never panned out and probably never will. JT is a nice backup big but easily replaceable. Thomas is a great hustle guy, fan favorite, etc. but what's his ceiling, Nate Robinson? You're not really giving up a lot and you're getting a legit starting PG in return.
 
Agree to disagree.

I actually think Reke's skill set would flouish on the wing. A lot less iso and jumpshots and a lot more slashing from the wings.
 
This in no way would be the only move we would have to make.
I think we need to make a couple moves to be competitive.
Maybe swap Salmons for Battier or something along those lines.
I don't know, all I know is I'm tired of rebuilding and looking towards a 5th pick in the draft.
 
Jose Calderon

This is the real deal, realistic and obtainable. For those who really want a PG reports stating Raps are open to moving Jose.

Averages 10 pts and 8.5 dimes this season.

They would like a PG in return (If only we held onto Beno) but have made it known that they will listen to any offer.

Do we jump at this and what do we offer ?
 
Sac.1989 said:
This is the real deal, realistic and obtainable. For those who really want a PG reports stating Raps are open to moving Jose.

Averages 10 pts and 8.5 dimes this season.

They would like a PG in return (If only we held onto Beno) but have made it known that they will listen to any offer.

Do we jump at this and what do we offer ?
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I know we wouldn't be getting any better defensively, but we lack a lot of what Calderon brings so i'd be for it given the right price. The pros far outweigh the cons in my opinion. Their are some good players who are floating around on the trade block right now... Petrie has to get his head in the game and do something to pick up some of these players if he wants to keep the heat from the fans off his ***.
 
Hmm interesting. I dont mind Calderon. Incredible shooter and passer. The only thing I would worry about is his defense. But we could really use his playmaking. Id give up JT or hickson for him prolly.
 
Merdiesel said:
We suck on the defensive end because this team doesn't hustle or play as a unit.
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Geoff! Jerry! Is that you?!

Here is the thing that people have to understand. You can't keep stockpiling crap defenders and hope to improve defensively if they "play as a team" defensively! It does not work like that. Never has and never will. You need to have strong defenders in majority of your spots on the floor if you want to be a good defensive team.

You keep mentioning Bibby but tend to forget that he had one of the best backcourt defenders playing next to him and covering his *** on defence. Last time I checked, Thornton is not even in the same universe defensively as Christie. Not to mention Bibby was backed up by Jackson who despite his size was a pest defensively.
 
Čarolija said:
Geoff! Jerry! Is that you?!

Here is the thing that people have to understand. You can't keep stockpiling crap defenders and hope to improve defensively if they "play as a team" defensively! It does not work like that. Never has and never will. You need to have strong defenders in majority of your spots on the floor if you want to be a good defensive team.

You keep mentioning Bibby but tend to forget that he had one of the best backcourt defenders playing next to him and covering his *** on defence. Last time I checked, Thornton is not even in the same universe defensively as Christie. Not to mention Bibby was backed up by Jackson who despite his size was a pest defensively.
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It's true though. Most of the reason why the suck at defense is that they can't get back down the court and give up alley-oops like Halloween candy. That's all about poor effort and team play.
 
RookieOfTheDay said:
It's true though. Most of the reason why the suck at defense is that they can't get back down the court and give up alley-oops like Halloween candy. That's all about poor effort and team play.
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And the crux of the issue is pretty much clear. You can't stockpile crap defenders and hope that all of a sudden they get the itch to bust their *** on defence. It never has happened and never will happen.

The reason why they don't get back defensively is because they are NOT that type of player. It doesn't come naturally to them and you can try and teach them as much as you want but its just never going to happen on a regular basis.

Ever wondered why great defensive teams have majority of their roster made up of good defenders?! Weird huh?!
 
If we can get Calderon, it's fine. But I would give them Hickson instead of JT. Josè - JJ straight up. JJ is younger, has upside, and usually a big has more value than a little guy. Calderon is not my first choice, but he is a great passer, and we desperately need that skill. Then, I think it's clear to everyone that the FO is not going to keep both JJ and JT at the end of the season. So, why not get something right now instead of losing him for nothing at the end of the year?
In my perfect world, after we send JJ to Toronto for Calderon, we sign Wilson Chandler when he comes back from China. We move Thornton to the bench (yes, I am one of those who thinks he will be a great 6th man for this team, once the Kings get better), and we would have a lineup like this:

Calderon - Evans - Chandler - Hayes - Cousins
Fredette - Thornton - Greene - JT

Not bad I think.
 
Čarolija said:
And the crux of the issue is pretty much clear. You can't stockpile crap defenders and hope that all of a sudden they get the itch to bust their *** on defence. It never has happened and never will happen.

The reason why they don't get back defensively is because they are NOT that type of player. It doesn't come naturally to them and you can try and teach them as much as you want but its just never going to happen on a regular basis.

Ever wondered why great defensive teams have majority of their roster made up of good defenders?! Weird huh?!
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Thats complete BS.
You can't teach a team to collectively hustle?
We're not talking about shutting down LeBron one on one here. We're talking about sending the two non shooters on the primeter to the other end of the floor to stop the fast break. It's not rocket science. These are profession athletes out there not hollow shells.
 
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close these threads already. such nonsense. we are essentially stuck with JJ HICKSON and hayes as big men after this trade.

the trade we need to do is salmons, hickson outta here and get something, maybe a draft pick, shorter contract or capspace.
 
Merdiesel said:
Thats complete BS.
You can't teach a team to collectively hustle?
We're not talking about shutting down LeBron one on one here. We're talking about sending the two non shooters on the primeter to the other end of the floor to stop the fast break. It's not rocket science. These are profession athletes out there not hollow shells.
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You might think its bull**** but its a fact of life. Name ONE great defensive team that has had most of its players that are poor defenders?!

It like saying we need to all chip in the rebounding to be a good rebounding team. Complete hogwash because unless the player himself is a goo rebounder, it will NEVER happen. Not in a million years.
 
Big Cuz 15 said:
close these threads already. such nonsense. we are essentially stuck with JJ HICKSON and hayes as big men after this trade.

the trade we need to do is salmons, hickson outta here and get something, maybe a draft pick, shorter contract or capspace.
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The best thing to do with threads you have no interest in is simple: don't read them. There's nothing new about a plethora of random trade threads. You've been around long enough to remember when they were all jammed into the main forum. At least now they've got a nice little area all their own, and people who aren't interested in far-fetched trade proposals don't have to wade through them.
 
Big Cuz 15 said:
close these threads already. such nonsense. we are essentially stuck with JJ HICKSON and hayes as big men after this trade.

the trade we need to do is salmons, hickson outta here and get something, maybe a draft pick, shorter contract or capspace.
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We have been playing for draft picks for half of a ****ing decade!

Non of what you just listed off makes us better in any way.

Draft picks? Good luck getting anything ahead of the 4th pick. We're cursed. Also, we have enough young talent on this team as it is. There are only so many minutes to go around.

Cap space is worthless if your owners are not willing to cut a check or your GM has lost the ability to do what it takes to lure quality players. In our case, both scenarios seem to be the case here in Sacramento.
 
Big Cuz 15 said:
close these threads already. such nonsense. we are essentially stuck with JJ HICKSON and hayes as big men after this trade.

the trade we need to do is salmons, hickson outta here and get something, maybe a draft pick, shorter contract or capspace.
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Close trade threads on a PERSONNEL MOVES board? Really? Some of y'all really need to get a grip.
 
Merdiesel said:
We have been playing for draft picks for half of a ****ing decade!

Non of what you just listed off makes us better in any way.

Draft picks? Good luck getting anything ahead of the 4th pick. We're cursed. Also, we have enough young talent on this team as it is. There are only so many minutes to go around.

Cap space is worthless if your owners are not willing to cut a check or your GM has lost the ability to do what it takes to lure quality players. In our case, both scenarios seem to be the case here in Sacramento.
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And boom goes the dynamite
 
I like the idea of Calderon, but wouldn't give up IT in the trade. You end up losing ballhandling to get somewhat more net ballhandling. This team needs a quantum jump in the ballhandling area, not an incremental one.
 
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