A Thing to Ponder

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Last year, The Detroit Pistons made a trade sending Shareef Abdul-Rahim and Theo Ratliff to Portland for Rasheed Wallace. The National media said this probably wouldn't affect either team alot, and even Bill Walton said that Portland would be better. The the Pistons won the Championship. Is it fair to compare the Kings with the Pistons? :confused:
 
NO.

::sigh::

We've just got done lowering expectations to a reasonable level that I believe is better for everyone involved. Players, coaches and espescially fans. No need to bring up comparisons between a team just trying to survive and maintain their playofff seed and team that went on to be the eventual NBA champs. Besides, strech marks aren't pretty ;)
 
the Pistons didn't send SAR and Theo to Portland for Rasheed...for the record

i just don't think its an even comparison at all
 
Piston didn't trade sheed for Rahim and Ratliff. They traded Sheed for (Hunter and Sura)?
Their trade did nothing to their core, our did. If the Piston would have trade Ben Wallace for three bench players, then it would be similar.
 
No the trade was Junk for Sheed to the Hawks. Sheed was traded from the Blazers to the Hawks for those guys and like this year with Walker was given away to the bidder that gave the most crap to get them under the cap in the future.
 
first off detroit did not do that trade, that trade was with atlanta and then a couple of days later atlanta did the trade with detroit.

I do not believe the kings are in the same boat, because the acquisition of rasheed was only 1 player to implement into the offense. Sacramento has 4 players to get accustomed to a new offense.

Also portland and detroit's styles of play are similar. the players coming to sacramento have to learn a new system. and 3 of them are not used to handling the ball much less getting shots.
 
Detroit picked up a star player for free. No comparison at all to what we did. This year is a loss championship wise -- real key to any future hopes will be what we decide to do in th offseason.
 
Bricklayer said:
Detroit picked up a star player for free. No comparison at all to what we did. This year is a loss championship wise -- real key to any future hopes will be what we decide to do in th offseason.

Your heard it here first folks! GIVE UP NOW!
 
SacTownKid said:
Your heard it here first folks! GIVE UP NOW!

thats what the lakers are doing...... are there any rookies worth snatching this year?
 
Bricklayer said:
Detroit picked up a star player for free. No comparison at all to what we did. This year is a loss championship wise -- real key to any future hopes will be what we decide to do in th offseason.

Conversly, it is in the best interest of everyone on this team to really press on with the rest of the season and provide spark and fireworks in the PO's (I am not saying win the title, but good showing is possible, 2nd round is within reach). There is a number of guys on this team who will be entering last or option year and who need to stake their cases now or be trade fodder in the offseason.

Cat would probably rather not pick the option and instead go for longer term deal. He needs to show something for numbers to work in his favor. Injury has interupted his immersion into Kings basketball, but maybe watching from the sidelines will do him some good.

Other newbies (Skinner, Nasty, Thomas) are playing and behaving like their dead-end careers were just granted clemency. Skinner and Thomas have good deals but they may want to continue with their good work if they don't want to become a byline in yet another Petrie scoop. They may like it in Sacto just enough to worry about their future despite all that guaranteed dough.

BJax - how unlucky can you get. This is second year in a row that he has been largely a non-factor. He is entering option year and he will not be getting a better deal here or elswehere unless he comes back strong this year.

Darius and Mo - great kids, showing improvement and promise (especially Mo) but all that is spotty and easily forgotten unless they sustain it for a period of time. Then, and only then will they get deals and/or minutes that they are hoping for.

Pedja - entering his last year under contract. He's clearly still out of sorts, same way that he was before The Trade, so now we know and everybody else does. The team is rapidly becoming Mike's team (not that there ever was any doubt), and for Pedja to take a next step in his career he will need to regain shooting confidence/numbers and keep working hard on other aspects of his game. The game against Memphis was a good Day 1. But that can only be a beginning.

Mike is expanding his game just nicely.

Brad will be back. It's all good.

I see a lot of guys taking up new and expanded roles or with a lot of new found enthusiasm (newbies) or with something to prove. Right now, they are a mug's bet to even make WCF, let alone to get to the finals, but I can see how they could sucker-punch a team that is better "on-paper" and send them out of the PO's.

Well, that's my opinion, let me get these rose tinted glasses off of my face, so that we can all return to the previously scheduled program.
 
SacTownKid said:
Your heard it here first folks! GIVE UP NOW!

No, anybody without large gobs of earwax in their ears and their heads buried in the sand has already heard it from innumerable other sources. And shouting and hoorahing isn't going to magically change the situation on the ground. Its enough now that they play hard and we get some things sorted out for next year -- already proving to be an important time for Skinner, Evans and Bibby. Things to watch for the rest of the year are not pipedream "any team can win it!" championship aspirations, but rather the cases everybody else makes or does not make for themselves to be back next season.
 
I know we probably won't win the championship this year but.... if we don't lose in a game 7 I'm gonna be angry. Its become a happy tradition (I mean that in only the best way). It just says that yeah sure we didn't win, but just a couple points and we could have won it all. Losing in game 6's is for slackers.
 
I think that the infamous Webber trade improved the Kings, and the playoffs will be interesting with a healthy team. It aint over until the bald referee makes the last bad call.
 
It's still too early to count this team out of contention. I'm waiting for Brad and Cat to get back and see what RA does with the rotations before I comment. However, I do believe that Peja needs start playing a whole lot better for us to go far. Bibby has already emerged in the absence of Webber, I hope the rest can too. I hope when they get back that we can keep the defensive intensity up or else Skinner should be in the starting lineup.
 
ReinadelosReys said:
NO.

::sigh::

We've just got done lowering expectations to a reasonable level that I believe is better for everyone involved. Players, coaches and espescially fans. No need to bring up comparisons between a team just trying to survive and maintain their playofff seed and team that went on to be the eventual NBA champs. Besides, strech marks aren't pretty ;)

For some reason, your comments reminded me of an old Joanie Mitchell song that said, in part:

...You don't know what you've got til it's gone. Pave Paradise and put up a parking lot...

Well, I'm willing to live with the memories of those exciting 2002 and 2003 seasons. I'm going to remember the good parts of the 2004 and 2005 seasons and try very hard to forget all the turmoil, anger, etc. I'm not going to make the mistake of taking ANYTHING for granted any longer.

I didn't think I'd say this but I'm actually excited about games again - because I don't expect them to win. I didn't even expect really good performances. I've been happily and very pleasantly surprised with what I've seen so far and I'm going to enjoy every single minute of it.

I hope that makes sense.

GO KINGS!!!!
 
KingKong said:
Bibby has already emerged in the absence of Webber, QUOTE]

I do want to address this -- Mike Bibby had already emerged BEFORE Webber left -- his numbers from Jan 28th(?) through the next month were already pretty phenomenal 25pts 5rebs 7ast sorts of stats. He's emerged here, but its not a Webber-related effect.
 
Bricklayer said:
KingKong said:
Bibby has already emerged in the absence of Webber, QUOTE]

I do want to address this -- Mike Bibby had already emerged BEFORE Webber left -- his numbers from Jan 28th(?) through the next month were already pretty phenomenal 25pts 5rebs 7ast sorts of stats. He's emerged here, but its not a Webber-related effect.
Revionist history. The official story is out there that the team was soley led by Webber and in his absence Bibby emergedfrom the background. Next thing you will be trying to tell us Columbus did NOT discover America.
 
Bricklayer said:
KingKong said:
Bibby has already emerged in the absence of Webber, QUOTE]

I do want to address this -- Mike Bibby had already emerged BEFORE Webber left -- his numbers from Jan 28th(?) through the next month were already pretty phenomenal 25pts 5rebs 7ast sorts of stats. He's emerged here, but its not a Webber-related effect.

thanks for pointing that out. Bibby's emergence is INCREDIBLE and I am thrilled, but is not a result of the trade.
 
VF21 said:
For some reason, your comments reminded me of an old Joanie Mitchell song that said, in part:



Well, I'm willing to live with the memories of those exciting 2002 and 2003 seasons. I'm going to remember the good parts of the 2004 and 2005 seasons and try very hard to forget all the turmoil, anger, etc. I'm not going to make the mistake of taking ANYTHING for granted any longer.

I didn't think I'd say this but I'm actually excited about games again - because I don't expect them to win. I didn't even expect really good performances. I've been happily and very pleasantly surprised with what I've seen so far and I'm going to enjoy every single minute of it.

I hope that makes sense.

GO KINGS!!!!

Sort of the same with me. I said shortly after the trade that I am going to take game for what its worth-one game. If we win, great! If we lose, well then we lost. It took a couple of seconds for me to lift my jaw up off the floor last night and realize that the Kings did in deed in--or better yet, Mike Bibby won, so I believe the thrill/joy is still there. But, I've heard people talk about this supposed "fun" that has returned to watching the Kings. Its nonsense if you ask me (fun is as fun does). First of all, they will never be as fun as they once were, its like your first love, it can never be replaced. And no its not just me talking about the trade specifically, some things can happen only once, its what makes them so special. The exuburance of the Kings playoffs series and the ARCO Thunder can/will never be able to compare to that of what we saw way back when vs. SEA. Not that its a knock on anything we have or will ever see, its just a once is a lifetime thing.

Anyhow, enough about all of this "reflection time," Mike Bibby is a darned good basketball player. :)
 
ReinadelosReys said:
...Mike Bibby is a darned good basketball player. :)

Arguably one of the best to NOT be selected to go to the All-Star game.

:D
 
Bricklayer said:
KingKong said:
Bibby has already emerged in the absence of Webber, QUOTE]

I do want to address this -- Mike Bibby had already emerged BEFORE Webber left -- his numbers from Jan 28th(?) through the next month were already pretty phenomenal 25pts 5rebs 7ast sorts of stats. He's emerged here, but its not a Webber-related effect.

I was refering to Bibby's emergence as a leader for this team. Webber was the leader before he got traded and I think that Bibby has the makeup of a leader albeit a quite one. He seems to be up for the task as well.
 
Bibby is certainly taking over the offense in Webber's absence. Before the trade, Mike was taking 14.6 shots per game. In the nine games since, he's averaging 19.4 shots (and 7.5 assists).

For some reason, Peja has not yet taken a larger role. Before the trade, he was taking 15.6, but since, just 15.0.
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Alacron said:
Bibby is certainly taking over the offense in Webber's absence. Before the trade, Mike was taking 14.6 shots per game. In the nine games since, he's averaging 19.4 shots (and 7.5 assists).

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GRRRRR!!!!! rapidly becoming a bugaboo with me. ;)

Bibby in February: 19.1 FGA 26.0pts 5.1rebs 6.3ast
Bibby in March: 19.0 FGA 21.4pts 4.0rebs 7.4ast

Again, it wasn't the Webber trade that inspired this sudden surge -- started in late Jan. with the injuries + Bibby's been lighting it up ever since then, both with Webb and without him.
 
I am so sick of the whole "look at how well this player is doing now that Webb is gone" PLEASE STOP. Maybe you just didn't notice how well Bibby or anyone else was doing because you were concentrating too hard on Webb hating!
 
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