a look back at the previous lotto winners

That's all nonsence imo.

You could make up a "story" fitting just about any team that would have won.. it was just Clevelands day - thats all there is to it.
 
There's no evidence that the Ewing draft was fixed either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mN3OGRGybA

You can see the Knicks card got smacked into the tumbler when put in and the corner bent. When it was pulled, you can clearly see envelope bent on the corner. How did he know which one to smack into the side? Theories are that the card was frozen so that you could tell by feel. There were really no controls like they have in the current lottery system and this could have easily been fixed.

If by evidence you mean David Stern admitting it? No there isn't. But there is an obvious good outcome for the league if Ewing goes to the Knicks. You have to remember back then that even the Bird and Magic led NBA hadn't been taken to the masses like Michael Jordan did soon after. With nothing happening in their largest market, having Ewing in New York was something the league wanted badly.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mN3OGRGybA

You can see the Knicks card got smacked into the tumbler when put in and the corner bent. When it was pulled, you can clearly see envelope bent on the corner. How did he know which one to smack into the side? Theories are that the card was frozen so that you could tell by feel. There were really no controls like they have in the current lottery system and this could have easily been fixed.

If by evidence you mean David Stern admitting it? No there isn't. But there is an obvious good outcome for the league if Ewing goes to the Knicks. You have to remember back then that even the Bird and Magic led NBA hadn't been taken to the masses like Michael Jordan did soon after. With nothing happening in their largest market, having Ewing in New York was something the league wanted badly.

He slammed the envelope into the tumbler? OMG, you mean he did exactly what gravity did to them when it was spun? Wow, it's a surprise that other envelopes weren't bent, oh wait, other envelopes were bent. I guess that means Stern is even more clever than we thought.

Seriously now, lets try a little critical thought, shall we? First of all, the envelope that hit against the bar did not have any significant bends on it that I could see when it was at rest. Also, other envelope corners hit the side of the tumbler when put in, which potentially mucks up their supposed plan right from the get go. All of this is irrelevant though considering that there's no damage that happened to those envelopes when they were placed in there that couldn't have been equaled, if not greatly exceeded, by mere gravity during the tumbling effect. In fact, if you watch the whole uncut version, there were other envelopes that had bent corners. The whole bent corner thing is so nonsensical, and it's exactly what happens when people suspend critical thought in favor of paranoid conspiracy theories and tinfoil hats.

(BTW, don't tell me that you were able to follow the exact envelope that hit against the bar all the way through the spins and into Stern's hand, because that's a load of crap.)

As far as the frozen envelope claim, it has no place in rational discussion since it can't be known without being personally involved in the process, but that hasn't stopped conspiracy theorists from loving claims like that because they can't be disproved.

Um, you don't know what the league wanted badly, you can only speculate. The possibility that Ewing to NY was good economically for the NBA, does not make the draft being rigged any more likely. A possible motive to rig it (even when you ignore all the possible motives for it to be legitimate) does not make it a plausible claim. You can come up with BS like that all the time after the fact. It's nonsense.
 
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It just seems to me that there is something not right about the NBA as a business. There just seems to be this cloud of doubt as to whether everything is on the up and up. The ping pong balls are done behind closed doors. Why? It seems to me that it would be a lot more authentic feeling if they did the ping pong balls live. Until they open up the process, there will be those that have conspiracy theories behind those closed doors. The Kings, as bad as they have been the last 10 seasons should have gotten in the top 3 at least once. It does seem from our perspective that the process is not fair at all. It may be that the Kings are just cursed with the worst luck. But it does seem that the big market teams have had extraordinary good luck while small market teams have had extraordinary bad luck. We will probably never know if the lottery was truly the luck of the draw or rigged. Again, it is behind closed doors with the witnesses all being connected somehow to the NBA.
 
It just seems to me that there is something not right about the NBA as a business. There just seems to be this cloud of doubt as to whether everything is on the up and up. The ping pong balls are done behind closed doors. Why? It seems to me that it would be a lot more authentic feeling if they did the ping pong balls live. Until they open up the process, there will be those that have conspiracy theories behind those closed doors. The Kings, as bad as they have been the last 10 seasons should have gotten in the top 3 at least once. It does seem from our perspective that the process is not fair at all. It may be that the Kings are just cursed with the worst luck. But it does seem that the big market teams have had extraordinary good luck while small market teams have had extraordinary bad luck. We will probably never know if the lottery was truly the luck of the draw or rigged. Again, it is behind closed doors with the witnesses all being connected somehow to the NBA.

The ping pong balls are picked in the presence of representatives of all the teams involved. There will always be people who think there is a conspiracy but statistical probablilities are merely that - they are not guarantees. For instance the botton team may have e 25% chance of picking first but it also has a 75% chance of NOT picking first. When there was a guarantee that the team with the worst record would get the first pick, the door was left wide open for a team to tank a season to get that once in a generation player. Then the conspiracy theorists would think the team wasn't trying.

In any fashion, there will never be a system that satisfies those people who enjoy looking for conspiracies.

What happens year to year is hardly worth getting caught at fixing this method. If caught cheating, a multi-billion dollar business would go up in smoke and the chances that this rigging was able to go on year after year without someone saying something is remote to say the least.
 
Hopefully the next superstar prospect comes out of Sac, so Stern can rig it for the Kings to get #1! :p
 
Only if we can get a kid to represent us at the lottery.

Why don't you fly in a then 21 year old from the far reaches of Singapore who has always wanted to go to Sacramento but never could, and is probably like the only Kings fan in the whole of Singapore (I'm not so sure I'm kidding)? Got any Chinese players projected as #1 picks anytime soon? (Although I'm not mainland Chinese ... but I don't think David Stern would care)
 
Why don't you fly in a then 21 year old from the far reaches of Singapore who has always wanted to go to Sacramento but never could, and is probably like the only Kings fan in the whole of Singapore (I'm not so sure I'm kidding)? Got any Chinese players projected as #1 picks anytime soon? (Although I'm not mainland Chinese ... but I don't think David Stern would care)

the kid your sending in to rep needs to terminally ill also. stern isn't going to care that 1 chinese sacramento kings fan flew from halfway around the world. like kahn said, incredible story lines.
 
the kid your sending in to rep needs to terminally ill also. stern isn't going to care that 1 chinese sacramento kings fan flew from halfway around the world. like kahn said, incredible story lines.

Umm well I hope you caught my sarcasm. Ok how bout if I sold my house and gave up my education just to afford a Tyreke Evans bobblehead? And umm ate out of the trash and stuff to save enough money to send GP an email? Would that be story line enough?
 
Umm well I hope you caught my sarcasm. Ok how bout if I sold my house and gave up my education just to afford a Tyreke Evans bobblehead? And umm ate out of the trash and stuff to save enough money to send GP an email? Would that be story line enough?

You would also need to paralyze yourself from the neck down. And perhaps burn your face off that way you could get a face transplant too.


The moral of the story is that David Stern is a big softie.
 
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