[Game] 51/82: Kings @ Wizards 01 FEB 2026, 3pm PT/6pm ET

The Kings have 11 games in February. How many will they win?


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I get the frustration, but now we can look back and have the benefit of hindsight. The reality is Sabonis and Keegan have both been out most of the year, and still today have yet to play together this season if I’m not mistaken. The team doesn’t have anywhere near the depth to overcome the losses of both of them being out. If both of those guys are healthy this season it’s a much different conversation.
Different? Sure. "Much" different?

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I mean, in the sense that the 10th seed is "much different" from the 15rh seed. At full strength, this roster probably peaks at 40 wins, maybe 46-48, if they can pull this trade off in December, and don't wait that long to pull the trigger on Cardwell.
 
Different? Sure. "Much" different?

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I mean, in the sense that the 10th seed is "much different" from the 15rh seed. At full strength, this roster probably peaks at 40 wins, maybe 46-48, if they can pull this trade off in December, and don't wait that long to pull the trigger on Cardwell.
Yes that what I meant. Different in the sense that we’re likely in that 8-10 range with GS, Portland and LAC vs now we’re talking about top 5 odds in the lottery.
 
He is t giving his money back. He isn’t an idiot. And no one is going to pay him long term for more than that. Get real.
Plenty of players have done this recently to have more competitive teams or put themselves in better situations long term.

I'm not saying he will but there's precedent whether you acknowledge it or not.
 
Plenty of players have done this recently to have more competitive teams or put themselves in better situations long term.

I'm not saying he will but there's precedent whether you acknowledge it or not.
There's just a huge difference between a person who is making <$100K per year, scraping by on their mortgage with not much to speak of in the bank giving up 40% of their salary, and a guy who has $250M in career earnings and even after taxes and agent fees is probably worth $150M (especially given that endorsements are not included in the $250M number) giving up something like $20M of guaranteed future income to be more satisfied in his job and personal life. $40K means a lot when it's the difference between floating and being underwater. $20M doesn't mean so much when you live on top of a mountain and can watch the flood waters from safely on high.

Zach might opt out. He probably won't, but it's not an unreasonable possibility just because it could cost him money that is unfathomable to most of us.
 
I get the frustration, but now we can look back and have the benefit of hindsight. The reality is Sabonis and Keegan have both been out most of the year, and still today have yet to play together this season if I’m not mistaken. The team doesn’t have anywhere near the depth to overcome the losses of both of them being out. If both of those guys are healthy this season it’s a much different conversation.

It would have been a near worst case scenario for this "gap year". Just competitive enough to miss out on a good chance at any of the top players in this draft, while having no realistic chance to win a playoff series. Back to mortgaging the future for the Play-in.

The Sabonis injury was very fortunate, as at least we have an idea of Max and Cardwell's abilities on an NBA floor,.....which would have never happened with a healthy Sabonis.....and without Eubanks injury, he would have continued as the first 5 off the bench. Disaster again, with no true rebuild going on
 
Not ones as overpaid as LaVine. But I’m done arguing. You will see.
I've said 20x that I expect him to play out his contract, but I also think that move is short-sighted on his end. He'll be a buyout candidate if he can't be traded, and once players are bought out they become minimum contract guys.
 
There's just a huge difference between a person who is making <$100K per year, scraping by on their mortgage with not much to speak of in the bank giving up 40% of their salary, and a guy who has $250M in career earnings and even after taxes and agent fees is probably worth $150M (especially given that endorsements are not included in the $250M number) giving up something like $20M of guaranteed future income to be more satisfied in his job and personal life. $40K means a lot when it's the difference between floating and being underwater. $20M doesn't mean so much when you live on top of a mountain and can watch the flood waters from safely on high.

Zach might opt out. He probably won't, but it's not an unreasonable possibility just because it could cost him money that is unfathomable to most of us.

What I can’t figure out is where his next pay day is going to come from if he isn’t traded and just enters free agency after next year. Good teams rarely have cap space anymore so the best route to get paid is via trade/bird rights. If I was his agent I would be trying to find a team that could trade for him with the agreement he declines the player option in exchange for a 3 year deal at a much more reasonable rate. Otherwise he is a 32/33 year old one way free agent guard who might have to sign at the midlevel after a wasted season with the kings.
 
Hunter is basically the new 2021 version of Harrison Barnes

Well, in the end it was kind of a win right? Hunter is more capable than Barnes offensively if used right so the payoff as a swingable asset might be higher. If not, oh well, he walks in another year. If he and Keegan make the perfect pairing then the Kings are still in the drivers seat. If this is a sign of things to come in making more all in moves then that's bad. Perry can afford to make one talent grab replacing a paper clip for an eraser move. No more though. I mean unless is cuts salary off his books long term, even if only partially.
 
What I can’t figure out is where his next pay day is going to come from if he isn’t traded and just enters free agency after next year. Good teams rarely have cap space anymore so the best route to get paid is via trade/bird rights. If I was his agent I would be trying to find a team that could trade for him with the agreement he declines the player option in exchange for a 3 year deal at a much more reasonable rate. Otherwise he is a 32/33 year old one way free agent guard who might have to sign at the midlevel after a wasted season with the kings.
Exactly what I'm getting at - his future earning potential hinges on finding a team that has long term plans for him while he is still making a high salary, else he begins the MLE or minimum player cycle. Opting out into a S&T on a reasonable contract is his best hope for coming out ahead over the next 3 years. 3 years at 30 per = 90 million. 1 year at 50 + 2 years at 15 = 80.

If he's still here at next season's deadline buying him out is the easiest call in the world and he will not even see MLE money for the rest of his career.
 
There's just a huge difference between a person who is making <$100K per year, scraping by on their mortgage with not much to speak of in the bank giving up 40% of their salary, and a guy who has $250M in career earnings and even after taxes and agent fees is probably worth $150M (especially given that endorsements are not included in the $250M number) giving up something like $20M of guaranteed future income to be more satisfied in his job and personal life. $40K means a lot when it's the difference between floating and being underwater. $20M doesn't mean so much when you live on top of a mountain and can watch the flood waters from safely on high.

Zach might opt out. He probably won't, but it's not an unreasonable possibility just because it could cost him money that is unfathomable to most of us.

And players do it. They look at the guarantee of staying in the league longer over possibly having one last high year of earnings. Zach might see a pay cut as worth just getting out of basketball hell. Turn up the heat Perry. Time to make him the waterboy and get donuts every morning. That'll drive him out.
 
What I can’t figure out is where his next pay day is going to come from if he isn’t traded and just enters free agency after next year. Good teams rarely have cap space anymore so the best route to get paid is via trade/bird rights. If I was his agent I would be trying to find a team that could trade for him with the agreement he declines the player option in exchange for a 3 year deal at a much more reasonable rate. Otherwise he is a 32/33 year old one way free agent guard who might have to sign at the midlevel after a wasted season with the kings.

And also while his durability has finally turned a corner he's not exactly had the most secure history with that. One more fairly major injury and he might not even be getting MLE looks at some point.
 
Exactly what I'm getting at - his future earning potential hinges on finding a team that has long term plans for him while he is still making a high salary, else he begins the MLE or minimum player cycle. Opting out into a S&T on a reasonable contract is his best hope for coming out ahead over the next 3 years. 3 years at 30 per = 90 million. 1 year at 50 + 2 years at 15 = 80.

If he's still here at next season's deadline buying him out is the easiest call in the world and he will not even see MLE money for the rest of his career.
Yes, with the cap rules the way they are it's hard to see Zach getting real money as a free agent, a sign-and-trade is pretty much going to be the only way for him to stay in that $25M+ space. But the idea he won't get back to the MLE? I'd give Zach the MLE in a heartbeat. Heartbeat. All you need is the right defensive personnel to cover for his deficiencies and his shotmaking is worth way more than the MLE. Also, if he's making the MLE, you can bring him off the bench if you want. At that salary, you're not necessarily a starter anymore. You want that starting job? Beat out the other guy with your defensive effort. If not, hey, love to see you coming off the bench, still a great value proposition.
 
Yes, with the cap rules the way they are it's hard to see Zach getting real money as a free agent, a sign-and-trade is pretty much going to be the only way for him to stay in that $25M+ space. But the idea he won't get back to the MLE? I'd give Zach the MLE in a heartbeat. Heartbeat. All you need is the right defensive personnel to cover for his deficiencies and his shotmaking is worth way more than the MLE. Also, if he's making the MLE, you can bring him off the bench if you want. At that salary, you're not necessarily a starter anymore. You want that starting job? Beat out the other guy with your defensive effort. If not, hey, love to see you coming off the bench, still a great value proposition.
Historically once players get bought out and sign for a minimum to close a season they don't get MLE money again. I understand Zach may actually be a little younger than the average person this happens to so maybe true. Russ was bought out 3 or 4 years ago and has been a minimum player ever since. Kevin Love bought out in 2022 and minimum player ever since.

Reggie Jackson is maybe an example of a guy who has had been bought out a few times, signs minimum deals, revitalizes himself after 1 year minimum, signs a 2 year deal and gets bought out and becomes a minimum again lol.

History says he would behoove himself not to become a buyout candidate!
 
Did I miss something? I thought JV liked playing in SAC with Sabonis, and only threatened to play in Europe once he was dealt to Denver?
I admit I am kind of working to conclusions here but I feel like the whole reason it went down the way it did was because he told us he didn't want to play for the Kings. He already had a deal in place to go back to Europe when the deal was announced so I presumed it was being worked out before leaving.
 
I admit I am kind of working to conclusions here but I feel like the whole reason it went down the way it did was because he told us he didn't want to play for the Kings. He already had a deal in place to go back to Europe when the deal was announced so I presumed it was being worked out before leaving.

My limited recollection is that he was offered a more prominent role in Europe and more money than he was making in the NBA. When the trade to Denver was in the works, he wasn’t sure he was going to play for them before eventually reconsidering and honoring his NBA contract.

I never once heard about it being a “not wanting to play for the KINGS” thing. If that was truly the case, then why did he show up to play after the KINGS traded for him at the deadline and why did he consider not playing for Denver once he was traded away from SAC?
 
My limited recollection is that he was offered a more prominent role in Europe and more money than he was making in the NBA. When the trade to Denver was in the works, he wasn’t sure he was going to play for them before eventually reconsidering and honoring his NBA contract.

I never once heard about it being a “not wanting to play for the KINGS” thing. If that was truly the case, then why did he show up to play after the KINGS traded for him at the deadline and why did he consider not playing for Denver once he was traded away from SAC?
I guess I don't know but feel like he had no intention of returning to play this season with this team. He probably saw the writing on the wall.

Why would he not want to play in Denver and actually have a shot at something? Which is why he changed his mind.
 
I guess I don't know but feel like he had no intention of returning to play this season with this team. He probably saw the writing on the wall.

Why would he not want to play in Denver and actually have a shot at something? Which is why he changed his mind.

Why would he not want to play in Denver? .. for the same reasons I stated. Reports said he was offered more money and a more prominent role with his Euro team.

Point was, according to reports, he had the same reservations playing for Denver as he did Sac.
 
Why would he not want to play in Denver? .. for the same reasons I stated. Reports said he was offered more money and a more prominent role with his Euro team.

Point was, according to reports, he had the same reservations playing for Denver as he did Sac.
Denver apparently was going to pursue legal avenues against him though. Nobody wants to play in Sacramento right now, if they have an out they are taking it.
 
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