Kings sign Carl Landry

[rainmaker]

why would Landry beat out JT this time around?

Why would you invest 27M in a PF who can't beat out JT? Now I don't personally think he's better than JT, I'd easily prefer JT next to Cuz, but 27M doesn't imply a "he's here to be a backup" type offer from PDA's perspective, and if it does and we're spending 27M on backups which fill none of our needs when also saying the difference between 9M and 11M is too much to keep a starter and better player in Reke, that isn't very complimentary either.

Not sure which would be worse actually. Throwing 27M at Landry and expecting him to be our PF next to Cuz, or throwing 27M at Landry with a backup role in mind which doesn't solve any of our problems. Both are extremely poor strategies.

Seriously, if we're throwing 27M at backups, then throw that money at Korver/Reddick(too late, both off the market PDA!), or throw that money at a PF who can at least reach above my refrigerator.

 

[VF21]

Not if he doesn't behave. If it's more of the same, he's gone in February. Landry was a top 7-8 player on a good Warriors team. He's tight with the new coach that needs guys to buy in. This isn't the end of the world

Hence my words "FOR NOW."

 

[Entity]

Why would you invest 27M in a PF who can't beat out JT? Now I don't personally think he's better than JT, I'd easily prefer JT next to Cuz, but 27M doesn't imply a "he's here to be a backup" type offer from PDA's perspective, and if it does and we're spending 27M on backups which fill none of our needs when also saying the difference between 9M and 11M is too much to keep a starter and better player in Reke, that isn't very complimentary either.

Not sure which would be worse actually. Throwing 27M at Landry and expecting him to be our PF next to Cuz, or throwing 27M at Landry with a backup role in mind which doesn't solve any of our problems. Both are extremely poor strategies.

Seriously, if we're throwing 27M at backups, then throw that money at Korver/Reddick, or throw that money at a PF who can at least reach above my refrigerator.

JT will actually make about the same amount over the next 4 years. we signed him 5 years 30 + mil last year.

 

[Entity]

Landry's contract stipulation is he get 5 mil for every 1 rebound he averages. so they figured about 5.2 should get him to the 26 mil

 

[swisshh]

As for the "grander plan", I am waiting to see it. If it doesn't involve helping Cousins realize his potential then I'm not on board. Why?

Cousins is insanely talented. He is so talented he has produced numbers and carried the team for games despite the team being filled with players that are the opposite of what would help him and working under a coach & FO who have no consistency and yet ask their young, immature star to provide consistency.

So while it may be a good draft coming up, the Kings have a cursed lottery luck. So much so that relying on getting a top pcik in the lottery is a bad idea to begin with, regardless of how bad the team is. As well, if you suck and tank this year, then you're pretty much dooming Cousins, a player that could be better than anything you get in the lottery. Demarcus doesn't want another tank and I believe the quickest way to correct his attitude is to reinforce good efforts with winning. Players believe when they succeed, not because Carl Landry the backup midget PF tells them so.

So why destroy the one talent you do have in the slim hope of getting another talent? It's just not wise to me.

 

[rainmaker]

JT will actually make about the same amount over the next 4 years. we signed him 5 years 30 + mil last year.

Yes. We had 14M tied up in JT/Chuck/PP next season, none of which are the defensive PF you want next to Cuz, so what did PDA do? Throws 27M at a stubby, non defensive PF who doesn't like to pass. No matter what JT makes, no matter starter or sub role for Landry, it just doesn't make sense.

And I know some will say simply trade away the dead weight. But when you have such a surplus of players at a position the rest of the league knows you need to move them, your hand is forced and you essentially must sell low.

 

[TTown Kings]

Why would you invest 27M in a PF who can't beat out JT? Now I don't personally think he's better than JT, I'd easily prefer JT next to Cuz, but 27M doesn't imply a "he's here to be a backup" type offer from PDA's perspective, and if it does and we're spending 27M on backups which fill none of our needs when also saying the difference between 9M and 11M is too much to keep a starter and better player in Reke, that isn't very complimentary either.

Not sure which would be worse actually. Throwing 27M at Landry and expecting him to be our PF next to Cuz, or throwing 27M at Landry with a backup role in mind which doesn't solve any of our problems. Both are extremely poor strategies.

Seriously, if we're throwing 27M at backups, then throw that money at Korver/Reddick(too late, both off the market PDA!), or throw that money at a PF who can at least reach above my refrigerator.

<golf clap> Thank you sir!

 

[Entity]

Yes. We had 14M tied up in JT/Chuck/PP next season, none of which are the defensive PF you want next to Cuz, so what did PDA do? Throws 27M at a stubby, non defensive PF who doesn't like to pass. No matter what JT makes, no matter starter or sub role for Landry, it just doesn't make sense.

And I know some will say simply trade away the dead weight. But when you have such a surplus of players at a position the rest of the league knows you need to move them, your hand is forced and you essentially must sell low.

well you can rest assured Hayes will stick around. nobody wants that guy. He is as useless as freezer in the north pole

 

[Rockmeister]

I am confused as to why we got Landry AGAIN. I don't care for him when he was last here and I don't care for him now.

 

[King Baller]

Why would you invest 27M in a PF who can't beat out JT? Now I don't personally think he's better than JT, I'd easily prefer JT next to Cuz, but 27M doesn't imply a "he's here to be a backup" type offer from PDA's perspective, and if it does and we're spending 27M on backups which fill none of our needs when also saying the difference between 9M and 11M is too much to keep a starter and better player in Reke, that isn't very complimentary either.

Not sure which would be worse actually. Throwing 27M at Landry and expecting him to be our PF next to Cuz, or throwing 27M at Landry with a backup role in mind which doesn't solve any of our problems. Both are extremely poor strategies.

Seriously, if we're throwing 27M at backups, then throw that money at Korver/Reddick(too late, both off the market PDA!), or throw that money at a PF who can at least reach above my refrigerator.

The Pelicans threw 44 mill at Tyreke to be a 6th man. Whats so crazy asking Landry to do the 6th man role he did for GSW here for 27 mill?

I would have loved to have Korver, Iggy, Calderon, et al. They would not come here!!! Same as AK47 last year!!! Its where the term FREE agent comes from.

KB

 

[Entity]

I am confused as to why we got Landry AGAIN. I don't care for him when he was last here and I don't care for him now.

Brother we are all confused except for 2 or 3 whom i don't guess realized Landry was here. I guess he was so bad those few didn't realize he was here.

 

[Entity]

imagine a lineup of

Vasquez
Thornton
Salmons
Landry
Cousins

hello Wiggins lol

 

[rainmaker]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 10m
Just got follow-up word: Three years, $16 million and a done deal for Zaza Pachulia's free-agent move to Milwaukee

Wow. Would have fit a helluva lot better here than Landry, attempted to fill a need and was cheaper. Obviously wasn't against small markets either.

 

[Arkitect]

The Pelicans threw 44 mill at Tyreke to be a 6th man. Whats so crazy asking Landry to do the 6th man role he did for GSW here for 27 mill?

I would have loved to have Korver, Iggy, Calderon, et al. They would not come here!!! Same as AK47 last year!!! Its where the term FREE agent comes from.

KB

Reke is the "6th man" behind a guy who has a bum knee who just missed the majority of the last 2 years. We just signed a guy to play a position where we already have 3 fully healthy players.

 

[andjel]

The Pelicans threw 44 mill at Tyreke to be a 6th man. Whats so crazy asking Landry to do the 6th man role he did for GSW here for 27 mill?

I would have loved to have Korver, Iggy, Calderon, et al. They would not come here!!! Same as AK47 last year!!! Its where the term FREE agent comes from.

KB

Difference is that Tyreke will be primary backup for PG, SG and SF with occasionally starting as SF. That is assuming that Eric Gordon is healthy to play which is a big assumption considering his injuries.
Pelicans have nobody (Austin is close to that) for any of those spots. Heavy minutes and impact guaranteed.

Landry can play only 4, and is not much of an upgrade over Chuck.

As mentioned before, the only thing that will make somewhat sense is if get Asik and JT and/or Chuck are involved in that. Still too much money, but acquiring Asik will show some plan for the future.

 

[Bricklayer]

The Pelicans threw 44 mill at Tyreke to be a 6th man. Whats so crazy asking Landry to do the 6th man role he did for GSW here for 27 mill?

I would have loved to have Korver, Iggy, Calderon, et al. They would not come here!!! Same as AK47 last year!!! Its where the term FREE agent comes from.

KB

Confucius say when taking over team that is terrible defensively and on the boards, way forward is not to sign players who are even worse defensively and on the boards. Seriously, our offense did not hold us back last year. It was everything else. Thus far we've actually gotten WORSE at everything else, which requires a particular sort of incompetence.

Basically at this point you'd need Malone to have a Thibodeau like effect.

 

[rainmaker]

The Pelicans threw 44 mill at Tyreke to be a 6th man. Whats so crazy asking Landry to do the 6th man role he did for GSW here for 27 mill?

I would have loved to have Korver, Iggy, Calderon, et al. They would not come here!!! Same as AK47 last year!!! Its where the term FREE agent comes from.

KB

Jack was GS's 6th man. Reke likely is a 6th man until NO moves Gordon, which they've tried to do and continue trying to do and actually need to move so they can fix holes elsewhere. But Reke also helps NO and fills needs while Landry just takes up roster and cap space without addressing any of our issues.

 

[kingsfan101]

For people suggesting patience, the issue is not that the fans who are complaining are impatient. It's that we are not able to understand the direction FO is taking.

With the exception of Pistons (which BTW, had four all stars next year), all championship (in fact all contending teams), have been built around a perennial MVP candidate, at least one more All-Star, and a bunch of good role players led by an excellent coach. There is virtually no other recipe to construct a contending team.

We are not the Lakers or Heat, that can sign an MVP candidate, or even a sure fire all star as a FA. We shall need to draft them. In a very rare scenario, we may be able to trade for one, but we shall need to give up someone almost equally good, or get someone with big question marks.

From our last year's roster (at least the way I see it), we had only two players who could have filled that role. Sure, they were far from it. None of them had even made the All-Star team yet. However, they were the only two possible candidates (both we drafted BTW).

We just traded one for Vasquez. No offense to him. I've never seen him play. Maybe he shall turn out to be a stud. However, if you trade someone like Reke, you should get another potential All-Star in return. Else, you don't make that trade.

Many of us who question Landry's signing, don't question him as a player. However, the aim should not be to go from bottom dwellers to mediocrity. Aim should be to become contenders, and that can only happen if we have a bunch of All-Stars, including an MVP candidate.

We were 13th in our conference last year. NO, one of the teams below us, just picked our second best player (who played large minutes at the position we are weakest at). We haven't made any roster shaking move that is likely to move us up 5 places in the playoffs. Meanwhile, we are looking at the best draft in a decade, and while unlikely, we carry a risk of losing our draft pick.

As much as I thought Utah overpaid for the picks, they used their cap space more wisely than us. We should be trying to keep our draft pick (not by deliberately losing, but by avoiding trades/FAs that push us towards mediocrity, while destroying our cap), and potentially adding some more (unlikely). Hopefully, we can add one or more kids with AS potential to put next to DMC.

 

[Arkitect]

Confucius say when taking over team that is terrible defensively and on the boards, way forward is not to sign players who are even worse defensively and on the boards. Seriously, our offense did not hold us back last year. It was everything else. Thus far we've actually gotten WORSE at everything else, which requires a particular sort of incompetence.

Basically at this point you'd need Malone to have a Thibodeau like effect.

If we don't finish dead last in defence next year, Malone should win COY honours and should probably be inducted into the HOF.

 

[Kingsfan23]

Yes. We had 14M tied up in JT/Chuck/PP next season, none of which are the defensive PF you want next to Cuz, so what did PDA do? Throws 27M at a stubby, non defensive PF who doesn't like to pass. No matter what JT makes, no matter starter or sub role for Landry, it just doesn't make sense.

And I know some will say simply trade away the dead weight. But when you have such a surplus of players at a position the rest of the league knows you need to move them, your hand is forced and you essentially must sell low.

You don't trade dead weight. I'd love to see how this log jam gets cleared.

 

[twslam07]

I'm very upset with this signing in terms of price, length, and fit. You don't pay role playing bigs 6.5 mil a year especially over 4 years! You can find those guys in the 3.5-5 mil easily. Hell you normally pay sixth men around 5 mil. With him being overpaid and it being a long term deal, it's going to make it even more difficult to trade him down the line when we ALL realize this was a bad signing.

Now that I'm done ranting about the contract, let's dive into fit. Landry can only succeed with a big, defensive center next to him. Can anyone point that player out on our roster? We don't have that type of player. What we do have is an extremely gifted offensive center who shouldn't have his touches messed with. Yes I am referring to Cousins. Guess who Cousins needs next to him to maximize the potential of our frontcourt? A defensive focused, rebounding, shotblocking big. Landry does not fit any of those adjectives. Considering Cousins is going to be getting a large majority of the minutes at center, Landry is going to be playing the majority of his minutes with Cousins. This will not and HAS NOT been successful. If Landry only plays when Cousins is off the floor, then we just paid a big 6.5 mil who is only going to play 15 min a game. This is a dreadful move anyway you slice it.

I would much rather have put this money towards bringing Dalembert back. 6.5 mil would be slightly overpaying, but at least we get a player we KNOW fits well with Cousins and fills a need. I'm really disappointed in PDA so far. I hope my feelings have changed by the beginning of the season...

 

[King Baller]

Confucius say when taking over team that is terrible defensively and on the boards, way forward is not to sign players who are even worse defensively and on the boards. Seriously, our offense did not hold us back last year. It was everything else. Thus far we've actually gotten WORSE at everything else, which requires a particular sort of incompetence.

Basically at this point you'd need Malone to have a Thibodeau like effect.

The amazing thing is that you know this not just before a single game has been played, but on July 6th.

 

[Entity]

Atlanta has no bigs now Pachula to the bucks. Teague would be upgrade in defense and scoring over vasquez. lets working something out.

 

[roasthawg]

Atlanta has no bigs now Pachula to the bucks. Teague would be upgrade in defense and scoring over vasquez. lets working something out.

Don't think we're looking at scoring pg's. From what I gather that's not the type of player we're targeting there.

 

[Bricklayer]

Atlanta has no bigs now Pachula to the bucks. Teague would be upgrade in defense and scoring over vasquez. lets working something out.

Er...what?

Then we cleared Reke out for a backup PG? We clearly intend this to be Vasquz's team to run. For better or worse that position appears settled.

 

[datamanwes]

What the Kings needed and still need was to have players buy into the system and the coaching staff. IN order to do that you need to change the culture of the team. Not every move is made for the same reasons and I am sure the front office isn't going to make public who they think fits and does not fit. We fans appear to want to make sense of every move because we want to build the winner right now. This team had a terrible culture and it needed to be changed. I sure hope that the front office is playing chess because I do not see four moves ahead in anything but I do have my own opinions
1) I wanted a PG who could pass and make assists(done)
2) I saw landry play at GS and wondered why I was impressed with him there but didn't like him here( so I will pass on that)
3) I thought Tyreke does not have the basketball IQ of someone I would pay 11 million a year for
this next one is going to make everyone hate me
4) I don't think Cousins deserves to be the man on this team or any other team( I feel he will be traded)
5) I love the players we have added to the roster(all good character guys who know how to play the game

Let's see what we do with everyone now. I give them three seasons to make the playoffs, two seasons to get better

 

[Nighthawk1]

Initially I was upset. I think he's looking to move some other pieces that are valuable. When you look at our Roster our trade pieces now with the Landry signing are
Hayes
JT
PPat
Salmons
Jimmer
MT

Those are some pretty valuable pieces he could trade for a rim protector and a SF. They aren't flashy moves but he's setting himself up with valuable pieces that can play now and be traded down the road when an opportunity presents itself. As much as I want to hate this trade because it may set us up for more favorite players to depart I think he has a pretty clear plan in place and I will wait to see how the rest plays out.

 

[roasthawg]

Pretty sure Landry will make LESS than Thompson despite being better than him in most statistical categories last year. I'm looking at this as a solid signing. Age is my only concern as he's 29 and this is a four year deal. But Landry can score and score efficiently. He also had his best rebounding year in the nba last year which happened to be his only year playing for Malone. And I can't stress enough that our coach knows this guy! This is not a free agent who you bring in and hope he fits and can do what is asked of him... this is Malone's guy. He knows what he does and obviously values it. Very good signing... I like all three additions so far this offseason, like them a lot!!!!

 

[HereWeBoogie]

Ill keep Vasquez over Teague

 

[Entity]

Er...what?

Then we cleared Reke out for a backup PG? We clearly intend this to be Vasquz's team to run. For better or worse that position appears settled.

no I am saying send Vasquez to Atlanta they don't have a pg either. so essentially you turn reke and one of PF into teague