Kings sign Carl Landry
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I can't think of any all offense, no defense front lines that have worked in the NBA when both players were most effective near the basket. At this moment we have the team we have and we should only go by that. We can't know what will happen in the future. Now nearly all of the SFs free agents are gone so our largest hole continues to be there. Landry does not bring anything to the team that the fanbase or the front office has defined as a need. Unless we trade all of PPat, JT, and Hayes and acquire a starting PF shot blocker this off season signing Landry now is big mistake. My concern with Cuz is that he sees what some of us see and he pulls a LeBron/Dwight/Bosh/CP3 and goes and finds a front office that actually knows how to win. I really want the team to improve and I was hoping Vivek was going to be the catalyst for that. He still may be. A week ago we were talking about signing Iggy and Reke and instead we got Vasquez and Landry. You can understand my disappointment.
Yeah the hypocrisy on this site is amusing. It's ok to ***** about Evans for years but not to ***** about what we replaced him with.
And when we complained abou the lack of moves Petrie made it was because we had bad assets that wouldn't bring anything back and now those same assets are going to validate the genius that is PDA.
And when we complained abou the lack of moves Petrie made it was because we had bad assets that wouldn't bring anything back and now those same assets are going to validate the genius that is PDA.
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this is a disappointing signing. even off the bench, landry still represents the kings' difficulty in establishing themselves as a credible defensive team. he's another offensive black hole, undersized, a poor defender, and a poor rebounder. he's just a step above chuck hayes because he can score in the post. i was happy to see him go the first time around. what's with this team and shipping off mediocre players that don't fill a need just to bring them back?
Yeah well that's because Jason Thompson and Patrick Patterson are about as good as Carl Landry at best. These are the types of guys we need to be trading away from our team and replacing with players who actually compliment Cousins, not acquiring more of. How does adding another decent backup PF help us in any way? It just means we have to move somebody else now or sit them on the bench all season. And it is painfully ironic that the same people who disparaged Tyreke for failing to win in Sacramento and don't think Mike Malone would have made a difference for him are now praising the return of Carl Landry because we have Mike Malone now, a guy who knows how to use a player like Landry properly. Not saying this is true of everyone, but some people will say anything at all to feel like they've won an argument even when said argument is tautologically invalid.
Agreed. For a fan-base that is quite frankly extremely lucky to even have a team right now they sure have become a demanding bunch rather quickly.
It's like:
"Thanks Mr. Ranadive for saving our team and keeping them here but we also need you to right all of the wrongs of the past management but only do them the way we want them. We know you just spent like $350 Million to buy the team but you don't deserve a say-so. Just listen to us and be thankful we allowed you to buy our team. Oh by the way when it comes to fixing this mess and meeting our demands......you're on the clock and we needed it done yesterday"
It's like:
"Thanks Mr. Ranadive for saving our team and keeping them here but we also need you to right all of the wrongs of the past management but only do them the way we want them. We know you just spent like $350 Million to buy the team but you don't deserve a say-so. Just listen to us and be thankful we allowed you to buy our team. Oh by the way when it comes to fixing this mess and meeting our demands......you're on the clock and we needed it done yesterday"
The reason I mad is because our moves don't seem to be going anywhere. We signed Landry, an undersized PF who plays bad defense, yet we have two productive PFs in Jason Thompson and Patrick Patterson that can defend better than Landry. And as others mentioned, Landry didn't fit well Cousins during his last stint here, so what makes you supporters of this move think he can fit better suddenly a second time around?
I am hoping these moves lead to something that makes more sense. Maybe we can package Patterson/Jimmer for a better SF or good defensive C, thus clearing a bit of the glut at the guard and front court positions? I still have hope in PDA, and I realize this transformation into a great team will take time.
I am hoping these moves lead to something that makes more sense. Maybe we can package Patterson/Jimmer for a better SF or good defensive C, thus clearing a bit of the glut at the guard and front court positions? I still have hope in PDA, and I realize this transformation into a great team will take time.
After seven bad seasons without once reaching 40 wins, never making it to the playoffs, drafting a couple lottery "busts", and no sign of hope until the angel in Ranadive came a round, we deserved some positive hope. These moves don't signal that, as of now at least... It was frustrating these last seven seasons, the team seemed to be going somewhere though... two potential stars in Evans and Cousins, but we let Evans go (but he seemed like the PERFECT fit with Mclemore) and people are angry now. That is human nature. We were bad and talent wise we are worse now (arguably).
I like Landry, but he's 29. JT by contrast, is 26, and Pat is 24, and shall be making half of what Landry makes this year.
We are using up about half our cap on a guy who might be better than his replacements, but not significantly. He doesn't really put us in playoff contention, and prevents the growth of guys that are already on the roster, and need to grow.
If we are able to trade JT/PPat now, the move makes some sense. However, JT in particular, is more valuable to the team, due to his size, and the fact that he can play center.
I repeat, the issue is not the signing itself. The primary issue is the seeming lack of plan (maybe there is one, but I'm not seeing it yet). Given our current state, the supposedly great draft, the fact that we can potentially lose our pick altogether, etc., I'm okay with us sucking another year.
The FO might obviously feel totally different. However, the only other direction which I feel they should think about is to get some high level talent, and seriously compete for playoffs. At the minimum, this would have meant retaining Reke, staying with AI, and trading away some of the current roster for better players, even if it means taking additional salary (hey, it's not my money).
This move doesn't make sense to me.
We are using up about half our cap on a guy who might be better than his replacements, but not significantly. He doesn't really put us in playoff contention, and prevents the growth of guys that are already on the roster, and need to grow.
If we are able to trade JT/PPat now, the move makes some sense. However, JT in particular, is more valuable to the team, due to his size, and the fact that he can play center.
I repeat, the issue is not the signing itself. The primary issue is the seeming lack of plan (maybe there is one, but I'm not seeing it yet). Given our current state, the supposedly great draft, the fact that we can potentially lose our pick altogether, etc., I'm okay with us sucking another year.
The FO might obviously feel totally different. However, the only other direction which I feel they should think about is to get some high level talent, and seriously compete for playoffs. At the minimum, this would have meant retaining Reke, staying with AI, and trading away some of the current roster for better players, even if it means taking additional salary (hey, it's not my money).
This move doesn't make sense to me.
Thank goodness. I was afraid someone was going to forget to remind us that Vivek kept the team in sac. Questioning of the moves we make are not valid since we owe him a team.
And if you don't think he's on the clock watch how fast things turn if we stumble around with moves for the next couple years, both in terms of talent and fans.
And if you don't think he's on the clock watch how fast things turn if we stumble around with moves for the next couple years, both in terms of talent and fans.
Fixed that for you.
By the way, never, ever, ever question my gratitude toward Mr. Ranadivé for what he has done for this city in keeping the franchise here. That is way out of line. You can express opinions on personnel moves that are contrary to mine. Go ahead. Do not belittle me. Do not call me whiny, or a crybaby, or impatient, and do not DARE to question my gratitude toward Vivek Ranadivé.
By the way, never, ever, ever question my gratitude toward Mr. Ranadivé for what he has done for this city in keeping the franchise here. That is way out of line. You can express opinions on personnel moves that are contrary to mine. Go ahead. Do not belittle me. Do not call me whiny, or a crybaby, or impatient, and do not DARE to question my gratitude toward Vivek Ranadivé.
Positive hope was keeping the team here when by all rights they were out the door. If not for some miraculous maneuvering by KJ and Ranadive along with some help from Stern this team would not even be in Sacramento.
It's unfair to immediately place all of the burdens of failure on the new team owner/GM and expect them to fix it overnight. It's really unfair to already declare their first couple of moves "bad moves" when it's still early July and there are certainly more moves to be made.
Basically what I am saying is you can't just assume that the current owner/GM don't have a plan and are going to fail just because the last ones did so for so many years. Seems Kings fans are so used to failure the last several years that it doesn't matter who is in charge, they just assume whatever moves are made will go bad.
Finally I highly doubt most NBA GM's would agree that Tyreke Evans and Ben McLemore are a perfect fit for each other. I think most would disagree and that's precisely the reason Tyreke was not retained. Maybe had the Kings drafted Noel or Cody Zeller things would be different but McLemore fell to them in the draft and management didn't feel like McLemore and Evans was going to work.
It's unfair to immediately place all of the burdens of failure on the new team owner/GM and expect them to fix it overnight. It's really unfair to already declare their first couple of moves "bad moves" when it's still early July and there are certainly more moves to be made.
Basically what I am saying is you can't just assume that the current owner/GM don't have a plan and are going to fail just because the last ones did so for so many years. Seems Kings fans are so used to failure the last several years that it doesn't matter who is in charge, they just assume whatever moves are made will go bad.
Finally I highly doubt most NBA GM's would agree that Tyreke Evans and Ben McLemore are a perfect fit for each other. I think most would disagree and that's precisely the reason Tyreke was not retained. Maybe had the Kings drafted Noel or Cody Zeller things would be different but McLemore fell to them in the draft and management didn't feel like McLemore and Evans was going to work.
Please Carmichael Dave.....explain this signing to us then.
I understand overpaying for ok talent, but this is going for someone we don't really see us needing.
I will look over your previous posts to see what you thoughts are. It's kind hard not to be melodramatic when we are so use to being the crap of the league.
I understand overpaying for ok talent, but this is going for someone we don't really see us needing.
I will look over your previous posts to see what you thoughts are. It's kind hard not to be melodramatic when we are so use to being the crap of the league.
So again the moves shouldn't be questioned because their has to be a bigger plan. Because it doesn't make sense to get all these redundant pieces without addressing our core needs. We all agree we need to make more moves. Some of us just aren't confident that we can with the pieces we have or that PDA is necessarily going after the kinds of players we think we need to.
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