Kings trading Evans for Vasquez/Lopez
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honestly i agree with you and i was just thinking about that, i remember the warrior crowd booing the new owners and Chris Mullin because of the Monta trade. and i totally hope this turns out that way and we make the playoffs,
only difference is, Monta SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and all we got in return is a backup PG and a worthless Center who is barely worth using in the NBA and will never be anywhere as good as his brother Brook
only difference is, Monta SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and all we got in return is a backup PG and a worthless Center who is barely worth using in the NBA and will never be anywhere as good as his brother Brook
Hey, we are all talking about the same thing here. So just because we happen to disagree with what the FO is doing this time, don't pretend all of a sudden that you're not doing the same thing, like when you talked about how we should get rid of Evans and such things, "pretend to know more about basketball than paid professionals".
I agree he was dicked around and underdeveloped and dealt with bad coaching. But the only relevant thing is if the new coaching staff and front office think he has a role on the team going forward that is worth 11 mil/year, and clearly they did not. Its as simple as that. If they are truly building around Cousins then they must have a different idea of the type of players they want to put around him and how much each of the roles are worth.
Yeah, we could see that as outsiders, but the Warrior fans didn't because they were too close to the situation. Hmmm, makes you think.
And like I said, I wanted them to keep him. After all I was one of the 10 people in Arco on draft night that was cheering the Evans pick while the Rubio fans were storming out of the building furious.
I'm willing to give this new FO time, but you have to admit... going from Reke/Iggy to Vazquez/Lopez undoubtedly means a lot less wins this year. We moved from potentially pushing the 8th seed to being pretty much a lock for the lotto again (barring something crazy).
Maybe we're better set up to build a contender this way- I can certainly see that logic. But after sitting through so many awful years I was psyched to see any halfway decent product on the floor. I'd like to eat crow and see this team to big things, but I really just don't see that happening now.
Not condemning this FO prematurely, but this is disappointing, at least for our prospects of short-term success.
Maybe we're better set up to build a contender this way- I can certainly see that logic. But after sitting through so many awful years I was psyched to see any halfway decent product on the floor. I'd like to eat crow and see this team to big things, but I really just don't see that happening now.
Not condemning this FO prematurely, but this is disappointing, at least for our prospects of short-term success.
They haven't exactly started well have they?! First they make a monsterous offer to Iggy only to yank it a few hours later. The next day they a not going to match an offer for our second best player with genuine potential and decide to do a sign and trade for a couple of role players.
Let's face it, there is not a player out there in the free agency that would want to come to Sacramento and would be an upgrade on Evans especially in the long term. So really we are banking on 2 or 3 things to happen.
1. Cousins blows up and becomes a HOF player
2. McLemore becomes the player that our hierarchy is dribbling over (unlikely but hope so)
3. We strike it BIG in the lottery next year to draft another superstar in the making to pair with Cousins
I genuinely hope it works out for us but this is a BIG gamble on our part, we are talking a Maloof sized gamble! If it pays off great but if it doesn't we are in real strife!
Let me be clear, I am not talking about being a play off team of this year's GSW and Denver Nuggets variety but I am talking genuine contentenders for the long term (ie the modern day Spurs, or Miami etc). Being a run and gun team that makes the play offs and gets out in the 1st or 2nd round is of no interest to me. You can always contruct that type of team if you have some money but building a contender is what this should be all about, not just making the play offs.
Let's face it, there is not a player out there in the free agency that would want to come to Sacramento and would be an upgrade on Evans especially in the long term. So really we are banking on 2 or 3 things to happen.
1. Cousins blows up and becomes a HOF player
2. McLemore becomes the player that our hierarchy is dribbling over (unlikely but hope so)
3. We strike it BIG in the lottery next year to draft another superstar in the making to pair with Cousins
I genuinely hope it works out for us but this is a BIG gamble on our part, we are talking a Maloof sized gamble! If it pays off great but if it doesn't we are in real strife!
Let me be clear, I am not talking about being a play off team of this year's GSW and Denver Nuggets variety but I am talking genuine contentenders for the long term (ie the modern day Spurs, or Miami etc). Being a run and gun team that makes the play offs and gets out in the 1st or 2nd round is of no interest to me. You can always contruct that type of team if you have some money but building a contender is what this should be all about, not just making the play offs.
I completely agree with you. Can't believe people are already questioning our FO. Maybe they will make mistake (maybe), but without them now Reke would be in a Sonics jersey, along with all the other guys. Then, remember we are a 28 wins team. And it's the 4th of July. Let's wait and see! Calm down.
In 10 days, we lost Tyreke and we added McLemore, McCallum, Vasquez and Lopez. Are you sure we are so much worse? Maybe we are, but I have faith in our FO and I'm pretty sure they are not idiots.
In 10 days, we lost Tyreke and we added McLemore, McCallum, Vasquez and Lopez. Are you sure we are so much worse? Maybe we are, but I have faith in our FO and I'm pretty sure they are not idiots.
The trade was predictable as Arn Tellem is the agent for Tyreke, Vasquez, and Lopez. That makes me a bit queezy but he sure did well by his guys. We may have gotten played by Tellem and NO cooperating with each other. NO jumps in immediately and makes an offer that our FO wouldn't match. I'm not going to argue about Tyreke but this seems to solve NO's problem with too many guards if Tyreke plays SF. Vasquez might have come off the bench at NO. I wonder if there wasn't a better deal if we could have considered anyone that Tellem wasn't representing.
I don't know if Lopez is much of a defender and would be reasurred if he was. 1.6 bpg is not startling.
It will now depend on who we get for a SF. We must have cap space to pull that off and it's too late in the night to figure that out. A good SF would make this less painful. It is a strange start and we may regret having a rookie owner, a rookie GM, and a rookie coach.
I don't know if Lopez is much of a defender and would be reasurred if he was. 1.6 bpg is not startling.
It will now depend on who we get for a SF. We must have cap space to pull that off and it's too late in the night to figure that out. A good SF would make this less painful. It is a strange start and we may regret having a rookie owner, a rookie GM, and a rookie coach.
I can try and answer that from the FOs perspective. Iggy plays SF, a position of need, Evans doesnt. Iggy is an ELITE defender, Tyreke isnt in that category yet. Iggy is unselfish and knows how to play team basketball. He is an all-star and Olympian, Tyreke isnt. He provide veteran leadership, something this team is severely lacking. Iggy would easily be the most athletic player on last years roster, and second most this year behind McLemore.
My guess those are the reasons they were willing to go that high on Iggy and not on Reke.
My guess those are the reasons they were willing to go that high on Iggy and not on Reke.
No one is paying attention to Pelican's new roster. Their front office has done a very good job.
Maybe a 40-plus wins for New Orleans this coming season. They are slowly, but surely getting there.
This trade is hard to swallow. I wish we could have had a better return for Tyreke, like say a Rondo.
Maybe a 40-plus wins for New Orleans this coming season. They are slowly, but surely getting there.
This trade is hard to swallow. I wish we could have had a better return for Tyreke, like say a Rondo.
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What makes you think their plan isnt a long term one that consists of a long term run as a contender? Especially one built around Cousins and his unique talents. Like I've already said, it appears there are too many people jumping to conclusions about how this team is ultimately going to look. Its up to the FO to put a price on each role they wish to assign for this team, and clearly they didnt see Evans fitting a role big enough to merit 11 mil/year, simple as that. Now lets see where they go next.
Well, my opinion has been consistent with that of said paid professionals. So there's that
I stated numerous times that I would match the deal if Reke was our long-term plan at SG. Because we have tangible evidence that he can produce their and can improve at that position. Obviously, that was not our intention.
I stated numerous times that I would match the deal if Reke was our long-term plan at SG. Because we have tangible evidence that he can produce their and can improve at that position. Obviously, that was not our intention.
Actually, no I don't. 4 days into this group's first offseason, with a roster full of mismatched parts and overpaid stiffs. If you didn't think things were going to change then I dont think you were seeing things clearly. I was hoping it wouldnt be Tyreke to go, but I'm not entirely surprised either.
A great rookie campaign derailed by the most incompetent coaching and front office in the league. A dominant skill set that is in high demand by the best teams in the league. A 23 year old that dealt with all of the challenges without complaining and whose physical profile suggested room for more improvement.
Beside that, nothing two role players from one of the worst teams in the league can't fix.
Beside that, nothing two role players from one of the worst teams in the league can't fix.
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