And It Begins....Pelicans About to Talk to Tyreke Evans

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Glenn

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I wouldn't offer him less than $11 mil assuming that $11 mil is what NO offered him. $10 mil would be a sign of disrespect and would seem like we are trying to take advantage of him. I would offer the $11 mil before he hears a bunch of other offers. Let's get this over as quickly as possible. I hope Detroit doesn't go higher.

I will bet money if we had extended him for $11 mil people would have complained like mad that we over paid but at the least it would have taken away this possibility that we don't sign him. Heck, didn't a majority of the fans here say they would go to $12 mil? I hope the Maloofs haven't mismanaged this into us losing what very well may be an important cornerstone to a new era in Kings history.

He must have met with Detroit by now yet we haven't heard anything. It's 7 PM in Detroit right now.
 
You sure about that? Doc has been very supportive of Sac on twitter. Even backing a Reke/MLM backcourt on draft day.
He is supportive of Sac, but he is also very into "gettin money". If you follow Doc's life (at least what we can find online), they enjoy their parties and they spend money trying to be rapper/music mogul etc. Its easy to see that Bluprint is a money losing venture that comes out of Tyreke's pockets.

Doc and the other boys have to draw a salary one way or another which all comes from Tyreke as well. But we all know that most of the athlete sponsored music ventures usually go to the crapper. When the money is used up, would they care where Reke plays or get more money first? Its easy to justify that NO is better than Cali when there is more money... just saying.
 
This thread tickles me pink. Especially the part where Tyreke is better than Iggy and he's a better PG than Vasquez.

If resign Tyreke, we're banking on him making huge strides as a PG and a player. He's not near a proven commodity, especially at the PG position. Question is, are we ready to bank $12mil on a PG experiment?

I'd be much more on board if the plan was to keep Reke at SG. He's made some nice strides in his off-ball game and adding that set 3 really helped his transition to that spot. We know he can at least produce at the 2. His limited time at PG last season was rather awful.
 
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This thread tickles me pink. Especially the part where Tyreke is better than Iggy and he's a better PG than Vasquez.

If resign Tyreke, we're banking on him making huge strides as a PG and a player. He's not near a proven commodity, especially at the PG position. Question is, are we ready to bank $12mil on a PG experiment?
It really comes down to, does the FO feel Tyreke's natural position is PG.

If they think Tyreke is a SG, he is gone. If they think he is a SF, he is gone.
 
This thread tickles me pink. Especially the part where Tyreke is better than Iggy and he's a better PG than Vasquez.

If resign Tyreke, we're banking on him making huge strides as a PG and a player. He's not near a proven commodity, especially at the PG position. Question is, are we ready to bank $12mil on a PG experiment?
That doesn't even really matter. NO is probably going to offer him an 11m+ salary and it's not even known what position he'll play. (Starting SG/SF, 1st guard off bench ala Ginibli/Harden, ect.) Tyreke is a basketball talent...and teams who are rebuilding need to try to acquire as much talent as possible.

The price tag that we are hearing shouldn't be a surprise...it's now just a question on whether or not the new Kings FO feel that he's worth the investment.
I'm sincerely hoping they do.
 
It really comes down to, does the FO feel Tyreke's natural position is PG.

If they think Tyreke is a SG, he is gone. If they think he is a SF, he is gone.
I think this is probably true. If they think he's a SG then he's gone because they have B-Mac now. If they think he's a SF then he's probably gone because he's made it clear (through his agent I guess) that he has no wish to play the SF position. So, the only way that we retain him is if the FO plan on giving him the ball and playing along-side B-Mac going forward.
 
That doesn't even really matter. NO is probably going to offer him an 11m+ salary and it's not even known what position he'll play. (Starting SG/SF, 1st guard off bench ala Ginibli/Harden, ect.) Tyreke is a basketball talent...and teams who are rebuilding need to try to acquire as much talent as possible.

The price tag that we are hearing shouldn't be a surprise...it's now just a question on whether or not the new Kings FO feel that he's worth the investment.
I'm sincerely hoping they do.
Thank You! I think this board has been completely broken by years of inept FO and broke owners. To argue that it would be ok/good for this franchise to replace Evans with a lesser talent because we're not sure if Evans can play the 1 is so silly.

Draft talent. Develop talent. Keep talent. In rare cases when you can, trade talent for better players. Its how you get good in a bad market.
 

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Tyrekes best year was as a pg with 0 talent around him. since then he has been dicked around by coaches. He has had 3 years he has ALOT more talent around him. I think he is ready for PG duties. He has seen what is expected of a pg by playing 2 other positions he is ready.
 
That's one thing to consider if you're matching Tyreke. He's bringing his crew along, too. They've done well to help get him to where he's at now, but he should really be focusing on basketball from now on. Especially for that kind of money.

If the FO didn't have any concerns, that NO contract is nothing. You laugh at them and tell them thank you for doing Arn, and you a favor. What the FO does will give us a better idea of what their goals are going forward.

edit: For the record, I think the offer is around what he should be paid.
 
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It really comes down to, does the FO feel Tyreke's natural position is PG.

If they think Tyreke is a SG, he is gone. If they think he is a SF, he is gone.

The team he's going to doesn't even see him as a PG. Let him go, and fill that spot at SF. That deal for a player like Reke who will now be a 3rd option for this team moving forward is ridiculous. Time to move on.
 
Thank You! I think this board has been completely broken by years of inept FO and broke owners. To argue that it would be ok/good for this franchise to replace Evans with a lesser talent because we're not sure if Evans can play the 1 is so silly.

Draft talent. Develop talent. Keep talent. In rare cases when you can, trade talent for better players. Its how you get good in a bad market.
What the heck? So the FO should shell out franchise player money for a guy to play a position if they don't believe he can play that position? How does that make any logical sense whatsoever? This "He's a basketball player" nonsense is exactly that. Nonsense. Go spend money on talents u believe in and fit the direction u want to take the team

Now if they believe in Evans at PG, then full steam ahead. Match the contract, go forth with Reke-MLM-Cousins and go spend the 5-6 mil we'd have left on a SF.

Unfortunately, with drafting McLemore, we just threw all the strides Tyreke has made at SG out the window. That position is no longer an option for him with us anymore.
 
I wonder what time the meeting will be tonight. I hope we get some info on things quick. can you imagine this lineup

IT/Jimmer
Maclemore/Thornton
Salmons/Outlaw
JT/Ppat
Cousins/hayes

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You're missing the one big part of it, tons of cap space. I think the Kings will get something from the Pelicans too.
 
What the heck? So the FO should shell out franchise player money for a guy to play a position if they don't believe he can play that position? How does that make any logical sense whatsoever? This "He's a basketball player" nonsense is exactly that. Nonsense. Go spend money on talents u believe in and fit the direction u want to take the team

Now if they believe in Evans at PG, then full steam ahead. Match the contract, go forth with Reke-MLM-Cousins and go spend the 5-6 mil we'd have left on a SF.

Unfortunately, with drafting McLemore, we just threw all the strides Tyreke has made at SG out the window. That position is no longer an option for him with us anymore.

Couldn't have been said better. That type of thought process is all good up until the point when it's time to pay up. Too risky and could stick this team in a period of inability for the next 4 years.
 

hrdboild

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The team he's going to doesn't even see him as a PG. Let him go, and fill that spot at SF. That deal for a player like Reke who will now be a 3rd option for this team moving forward is ridiculous. Time to move on.
You're already making McLemore the #2 option? I like the kid a lot, but I think that's asking a bit much of a rookie. Even long-term I like him a lot as a third option on a good team. As the #2 option his weakness as a ballhandler is eventually going to get exposed unless we have an elite playmaker to feed him the ball or he develops that part of his game substantially. Both are possibilities, but I'd feel a lot better building on what we have than taking a step backwards. Tyreke's ability to score the ball is not easily replaced.
 

Bricklayer

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Couldn't have been said better. That type of thought process is all good up until the point when it's time to pay up. Too risky and could stick this team in a period of inability for the next 4 years.
No, what could stick this team in a period of "inability" is letting the talent walk. $11mil isn't franchise money. Its good SG money. And Reke is one of the better SGs in the league, even if he doesn't get any better. Its an imminently moveable contract, and frankly a moveable contract is worth more to the Sacramento Kings than any amount of capspace. We may have an audience with Igoudala via D'Alessandro's conenctions, but Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, Josh Smith...these players aren't talking to us, nor will their peers in future years. All we can do with capspace is overpay mediocrities, not sign stars. Especially after we prove too cheap to retain our second best player on a deal many millions less than those guys make.

P.S. McLemore was the 7th pick in a weak draft. He is not known as a guy who can create for himself. Saying ooh goody, we got Mac as a new 2nd option is vastly premature. He could easily be the 3rd best offensive SG on the roster right now..
 
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Couldn't have been said better. That type of thought process is all good up until the point when it's time to pay up. Too risky and could stick this team in a period of inability for the next 4 years.
So how do you suppose the kings get this max level talent we are saving space for. Big free agents won't come here. Big stars that now dictate where they will play wont be naming us as a destination. And if we don't keep young talent like Reke, you don't have the assets to put together good trades.

Honestly, a few of you on here seem to want to operate this franchise in a way that flies in the face of how the nba works, especially in a market like sac.

What happens the way you are both describing it is what we've seen here the last 5-10 years. You collect mid level talent that you have to overpay for and you straddle the line between suckage and mediocrity.
 
If the Kings do plan to keep Tyreke, I think their meeting tonight will mostly be about how to structure the contract, meaning starting it at a lower number and having the last season a fairly large number. This will help the Kings go after Iggy in the short term.
 
No, what could stick this team in a period of "inability" is letting the talent walk. $11mil isn't franchise money. Its good SG money. And Reke is one of the better SGs in the league, even if he doesn't get any better. Its an imminently moveable contract, and frankly a moveable contract is worth more to the Sacramento Kings than any amount of capspace. We may have an audience with Igoudala via D'Alessandro's conenctions, but Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, Josh Smith...there players aren't talking to us, nor will they. Especially after we prove too cheap to retain our second best player on a deal many millions less than those guys make.
We're not putting Reke at SG! That's the point!

If the plan was to move forward with PG-Reke-SF-PF-Cousins, I could bite the $11mil bullet. We saw nice improvements in his game last season and I think he could continue to develop that as well as become a more consistent defender.

PG is a totally different animal. Not a single person can tell me with confidence (without lying to themselves) that Reke is worth the $11mil price tag at PG. He's a completely unproven PG and we have no game film on him in the last 2 years to turn at the PG slot
 

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Back to Back assist. can he play PG? I think so. not to mention what his defense will do to the opposing pg.

 
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If the Kings do plan to keep Tyreke, I think their meeting tonight will mostly be about how to structure the contract, meaning starting it at a lower number and having the last season a fairly large number. This will help the Kings go after Iggy in the short term.
Doesn't work that way. They are limited to the how much it can raise or lower each year to 7.5% resign and 4.5% as free agent.
 
12 million for Tyreke would be a mistake for any team. I'd rather the Kings not go that route. He's an injury prone player who hasn't advanced and may have even regressed at times.

Yes, he was misused, but about everyone on this roster has been in a bad situation. Cousins has shown more in less time under the same circumstances.
 
Can't wait to hear how the interview turns out. If I am the Front Office, I say "we will match the $11 million that New Orleans has offered to you, we will give you a starting PG position (whereas you'd come off the bench over there for the Pelicans), you can become a key part of a team on the rise that gets to play in a world class arena in a few years." If I am Tyreke, I add those words to the fact I just have moved into a new home in Sacramento and come out of the interview as a happy man.
 
It boils down to whether Vivek and co. think that Reke, Ben and Cus are good enough nucleus/match for Kings to be contenders down the road.
If yes, pay Reke whatever is needed.
11-12 mil for a guy for whom you believe is top 2 option on the team is not much money.

Regarding 11-12 mil, I would really like to hear whom folks that would not match it, whom do you expect Kings to spend that money on?
 
12 million for Tyreke would be a mistake for any team. I'd rather the Kings not go that route. He's an injury prone player who hasn't advanced and may have even regressed at times.

Yes, he was misused, but about everyone on this roster has been in a bad situation. Cousins has shown more in less time under the same circumstances.
Yes, but I think every single member on this board thinks Cousins is a better player currently, will be a better player, and will end up in a different class than Evans. We aren't discussing that, though.
 
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