Tyreke Evans offered Qualifying Offer making him a Restricted Free Agent
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i keep seeing this argument touted as if it's actually how business is accomplished in the nba. while i'm still waiting on responses from several individuals, i'll ask you the same question i asked them: which "player who fits the direction you're taking the team" do you just "go find," exactly? there are only three ways to acquire talent in the nba: draft, trade, free agency. so who do you draft if you're the kings gm that is going to successfully replace evans' talent? who do you sign (and at what cost) that is going to successfully replace evans' talent? who do you trade for (and how) that is going to successfully replace evans' talent? it absolutely matters what his market price is, because you can just as easily end up with mediocre talent on unmovable mid-level deals rather than all-star potential talent on a more expensive, but wholly movable deal...
edit: bear in mind that vivek ranadive has said on numerous occasions that he intends to build a winner in sacramento as soon as possible. you don't get there by drafting talent and then bleeding that talent just to end up in the lottery indefinitely. so you take the considerable talent you've already acquired through the draft (cousins and evans) and turn it into a winner as expediently as possible. otherwise you're gonna struggle to get the fans into that shiny, expensive arena you're planning on building...
edit: bear in mind that vivek ranadive has said on numerous occasions that he intends to build a winner in sacramento as soon as possible. you don't get there by drafting talent and then bleeding that talent just to end up in the lottery indefinitely. so you take the considerable talent you've already acquired through the draft (cousins and evans) and turn it into a winner as expediently as possible. otherwise you're gonna struggle to get the fans into that shiny, expensive arena you're planning on building...
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What a load of crap. Reke and his brother actually like Sac a lot and want to make it work. There's a reason they're spending the summer here rather than in Santa Monica and there's a reason Reke just moved into a new house he built from scratch. There's a reason Reke is volunteering and showing up at multiple Kings related appearances as well as basketball camps in Sac this summer. He's not being asked to fly in and make appearances, he's already here and volunteering. There's a reason he's the only current player on our roster spending the summer here while everyone else is spread out across the country.
Unless of course you think everyone else being elsewhere around the country shows they're somehow more committed to Sac. It's not like Reke came back to Sac to meet Malone/PDA. He's already here working out in the Kings facility every day. Only player doing so.
Easier to argue actually that Reke is too committed to the franchise which has jerked him around the last couple years.
Unless of course you think everyone else being elsewhere around the country shows they're somehow more committed to Sac. It's not like Reke came back to Sac to meet Malone/PDA. He's already here working out in the Kings facility every day. Only player doing so.
Easier to argue actually that Reke is too committed to the franchise which has jerked him around the last couple years.
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Yes that extra $2 mill can be the difference between another team taking on his contract in a trade or not. It can also be the difference in being able to sign other players for the vet min or having extra money to get them. It's also $2 mil less that you can work around the lux tax. Look at all the teams that had to trade player for nothing just to get under the lux tax.
Yeah, it was dumb for me to bring it up. I see that. I saw his loyalty comment and chuckled since I knew that happened a few months ago at Chipolte. That's thing about living in Sac. You bump into Mike Bibby at the Olive Garden or Shareef at Macoroni Grill. It happens in restaurants you wouldn't think it would. Sort of cool. I'll bow out of this argument, I took it to a low. My bad.
A little salary perspective:
Salmons + Outlaw =11 million.
http://bit.ly/11LHa1Q
Why wouldn't we give that money to Evans? I sure would. I guess this also outlines how poorly money was spent previously, but my point is that big money CAN be spent on Evans, if the rest of the roster is managed accordingly. A quality bench player can be had for Tyreke's current salary of about 5 million. You're trading out two dead weights and replacing them with something serviceable.
That doesn't even take into account the fact that Evans might be had for less, I'm just saying that 11 million isn't as ugly as it sounds...in perspective.
Salmons + Outlaw =11 million.
http://bit.ly/11LHa1Q
Why wouldn't we give that money to Evans? I sure would. I guess this also outlines how poorly money was spent previously, but my point is that big money CAN be spent on Evans, if the rest of the roster is managed accordingly. A quality bench player can be had for Tyreke's current salary of about 5 million. You're trading out two dead weights and replacing them with something serviceable.
That doesn't even take into account the fact that Evans might be had for less, I'm just saying that 11 million isn't as ugly as it sounds...in perspective.
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I have no fing clue. PDA and Vivek haven't let me in on their plans.... yet 
Maybe they want Monta and draft MCW to be his back-court mate. Maybe they REALLY like Burke at PG, trade up for him, and then build around Cousins-Burke. Maybe they love IT as the PG of the future, go sign Tony Allen to be his back-court mate, and then draft a project like Steven Adams to develop. Point is, you don't pay huge sums of money for players just because they have talent. You go pay for talent that fits what YOU (in this case, PDA, Vivek) want the team to be, even if it is "lesser" talent.
Personally, I would love to see us go get Burke, and resign Reke at $8-$9mil a year. A real PG on this roster like Burke would do wonders for the flow of the offense and really enhance Reke and Cousins game
Btw, Reke at $11-12mil a year is not a movable deal. He either lives up to the contract (which we wouldn't move him in that case) or he doesn't (which no one would touch his $12mil/year). Thus, the reason you just don't go offering huge contracts willy-nilly. They must fit the vision you want to take the team or the team is stuck with a huge bill
Maybe they want Monta and draft MCW to be his back-court mate. Maybe they REALLY like Burke at PG, trade up for him, and then build around Cousins-Burke. Maybe they love IT as the PG of the future, go sign Tony Allen to be his back-court mate, and then draft a project like Steven Adams to develop. Point is, you don't pay huge sums of money for players just because they have talent. You go pay for talent that fits what YOU (in this case, PDA, Vivek) want the team to be, even if it is "lesser" talent.
Personally, I would love to see us go get Burke, and resign Reke at $8-$9mil a year. A real PG on this roster like Burke would do wonders for the flow of the offense and really enhance Reke and Cousins game
Btw, Reke at $11-12mil a year is not a movable deal. He either lives up to the contract (which we wouldn't move him in that case) or he doesn't (which no one would touch his $12mil/year). Thus, the reason you just don't go offering huge contracts willy-nilly. They must fit the vision you want to take the team or the team is stuck with a huge bill
that Mustang comparison is kinda faulty, no? it'd be more fitting if you already owned the car, it had been fairly reliable in its services and you stood to lose it for nothing with no assurance that there'd be equivalent prospects availabe, if you didn't spend a considerable amount of money to keep it running.
i disagree mightily. short of max contract ridiculousness, there will always be a team, desperate or not, willing to take on a young player with all-star potential, particularly one with a notorious rim attack. but fine, i'll concede for a brief moment to entertain the hypothetical notion that signing tyreke evans to a $12 million contract would make him near impossible to move. so what do you do? i'll repeat the portion of my post that you did not address:
who?! who are these magical players that so many of you are convinced will effectively replace tyreke evans and help turn the kings into a winner? demarcus cousins is the foundation, and they need to start winning soon if they have any hope of keeping him long-term. so who is #2? who is #3? who will effectively penetrate in the absence of evans? isaiah thomas? some free agent or another? a 19- or 20-year old rookie ? where's the defense coming from? is thornton enough to get the job done at SG? as a relevant aside, is tyreke not worth considerably more than thornton's $8 million per as an efficient and deadly two-way player? you take one major asset out of the equation, and things can fall apart real quick for a team, particularly one as bereft as assets as the kings...
who?! who are these magical players that so many of you are convinced will effectively replace tyreke evans and help turn the kings into a winner? demarcus cousins is the foundation, and they need to start winning soon if they have any hope of keeping him long-term. so who is #2? who is #3? who will effectively penetrate in the absence of evans? isaiah thomas? some free agent or another? a 19- or 20-year old rookie ? where's the defense coming from? is thornton enough to get the job done at SG? as a relevant aside, is tyreke not worth considerably more than thornton's $8 million per as an efficient and deadly two-way player? you take one major asset out of the equation, and things can fall apart real quick for a team, particularly one as bereft as assets as the kings...
If we consider "overpaying" as an investment in the rehabilitation of the Kings reputation, "overpaying" Tyreke makes sense. There is more at stake then simply a man with a certain amount of talent. Besides, although $1 or 2 mil is a lot of money, with a salary cap of around $60 mil, it doesn't seem like a lot but then it all depends on whether you like Tyreke or not. That's not an argument I want to be a part of as after a few years of similar arguments that resolved nothing, I am a bit burned out.
What would this forum be like without Tyreke?
What would this forum be like without Tyreke?
If we consider "overpaying" as an investment in the rehabilitation of the Kings reputation, "overpaying" Tyreke makes sense. There is more at stake then simply a man with a certain amount of talent. Besides, although $1 or 2 mil is a lot of money, with a salary cap of around $60 mil, it doesn't seem like a lot but then it all depends on whether you like Tyreke or not. That's not an argument I want to be a part of as after a few years of similar arguments that resolved nothing, I am a bit burned out.
What would this forum be like without Tyreke?
What would this forum be like without Tyreke?
Nope, because we don't care what these assets have done for us in the past. We only care about what these assets will do for us in the future. I don't think anyone would rather have a mini-van over a Mustang if we're only looking at which car is better. But the Mini-van was better for the family (new kid, new family, safer etc), because it coincided with the direction the family was going in.
More example time! Let's pretend we have the option to sign Reke at 4/$44 or Tony Allen at $3/18. Both relatively fair market prices for what each player brings to the table. Now, it's obvious that Reke is the more talented player than TA. Not many would question that. BUT, if PDA doesn't feel Reke fits with the direction hes taking the team, or that he won't fulfill his potential, then he's not worth the $11mil investment for our squad. That doesn't mean he's not necessarily worth that contract, just not worth it for our team. If this was the case, then Tony Allen is the much better investment as his defense would fit with any squad at any time
More example time! Let's pretend we have the option to sign Reke at 4/$44 or Tony Allen at $3/18. Both relatively fair market prices for what each player brings to the table. Now, it's obvious that Reke is the more talented player than TA. Not many would question that. BUT, if PDA doesn't feel Reke fits with the direction hes taking the team, or that he won't fulfill his potential, then he's not worth the $11mil investment for our squad. That doesn't mean he's not necessarily worth that contract, just not worth it for our team. If this was the case, then Tony Allen is the much better investment as his defense would fit with any squad at any time
If we consider "overpaying" as an investment in the rehabilitation of the Kings reputation, "overpaying" Tyreke makes sense. There is more at stake then simply a man with a certain amount of talent. Besides, although $1 or 2 mil is a lot of money, with a salary cap of around $60 mil, it doesn't seem like a lot but then it all depends on whether you like Tyreke or not. That's not an argument I want to be a part of as after a few years of similar arguments that resolved nothing, I am a bit burned out.
What would this forum be like without Tyreke?
What would this forum be like without Tyreke?
Why would any of that matter if the powers that be don't believe Reke is worth a franchise player type contract?
Whether you're paying someone a Vet min deal or $15mil a year, the team paying you that contract has to believe you're worth that money. Which is the point Im making. Reke's Market value will be somewhere in the $9-$12mil range. However, the only thing that matters is what the KINGS believe he is worth. They might love him and think he's absolutely worth that max deal. Or they might feel he's not worth over $8mil/season.
Whether you're paying someone a Vet min deal or $15mil a year, the team paying you that contract has to believe you're worth that money. Which is the point Im making. Reke's Market value will be somewhere in the $9-$12mil range. However, the only thing that matters is what the KINGS believe he is worth. They might love him and think he's absolutely worth that max deal. Or they might feel he's not worth over $8mil/season.
Depends, TA is 31, can he play at high level(defense that's his only card) on starter min for the lenght of his contract? Otherwise he will just be another dead weight like Salmon/Outlaw/K9.
All things equal, Reke have a much better chance to play at high level(both O and D) in relative to TA at the same period of time(2013-2017).
All things equal, Reke have a much better chance to play at high level(both O and D) in relative to TA at the same period of time(2013-2017).
Thank you for taking the time to reply.
I think with me part of my attitude was of the "shoot the messenger" variety. I don't want to lose Tyreke so I'm going to put my fingers in my ears and hum "la, la, la" when there are rumors, tweets, leaks, etc. that indicate it's a possibility.
It's nice to know you're lurking. We should have gotten you to participate in the Desert Island Music Album draft.
I think with me part of my attitude was of the "shoot the messenger" variety. I don't want to lose Tyreke so I'm going to put my fingers in my ears and hum "la, la, la" when there are rumors, tweets, leaks, etc. that indicate it's a possibility.
It's nice to know you're lurking. We should have gotten you to participate in the Desert Island Music Album draft.
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